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Author | Topic: How Much Do The Top Session Players Make? |
Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
![]() No, I'm not switching professions. It's way too late for me, I would need about 20 years of playing to even get my foot in the door, and then they might shut it on me anyway due to lack of talent. ![]() On the thread about the Beach Boys, I was doing some research on a Beach Boys website, and Glen Campbell was mentioned for his playing on some of their albums, and how he briefly replaced Brian Wilson on tour, but they couldn't hang on to him because at the time, he was the most sought after session guitarist in Los Angeles (prior to launching his solo career as a well known singer). On the site, and of course we have no way to verify the accuracy, it was written that Glen was making in 1964 $100,000 a year. I looked it up on one of those "how much is that money worth today" sites, and the conversion is $630,000! I also know that for small studio efforts around here, a session player might earn ballpark $125 per song, so to make that kind of money in a small studio situation you would have to play seven days a week, and barely have time to sleep, let alone go to the bathroom! I think there was a thread some time ago about studio musicians scale, but I don't know that it touched on what the "big" players make. And I wouldn't expect Paul Franklin and others to chime in here disclosing their income, but I'm wondering what some of you more experienced players who have been around the scene in Nashville have to say. Was the idea of Glen Campbell making (in today's money) $600,000 per year absurd in 1964? Any idea what players on today's version of "The A Team" in Nashville pull in? ------------------ |
John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
![]() I have been a Signatory Employer for many years. Current Union session rates are: Per Player/Per Double Scale or Leader 345.98/691.98 Master Scale 189.42/378.84 Limited Pressing 150.72/301.44 Demo More on weekends and holidays. Always one player designated Leader per session unless everyone is on double scale. Plus between $15.00 and $19.00 per session per player for Health/Welfare payment (in place of health insurance) Plus 10% of total session wages paid into their pension fund. Plus the Special Payments Fund (only for master sessions from major labels) You can do the math from there--many play 3 sessions a day, many don't. Some mainly play masters and some demos or LP's. Some a combination of both. There are technically 4 sessions a day possible, though rare these days. Are they worth it? Every penny of it in my book... You can read more at the Union site: www.afm257.com [This message was edited by John Macy on 11 July 2006 at 05:41 AM.] |
Bob Martin Member From: Madison Tn |
![]() Howdy Mark, the figure of 100k for Glen was probably close to being right on the money so to speak :-) If anything it might have been a little low in my opinion. I don't have a clue what some of the top session players make today because I don't do any hee hee but I'd say that they can make a very good living here in town but remember there's only a select few that are doing these top sessions everyday here in town. I'd say the list of players doing master sessions for artists is less than 100 musicians remember it's just a guess and may be much less or even more. I try to read as many album credits as I can and I see the same names over and over for the sessions here in town. Although on almost every CD I'll see a name that I don't recognize but usually only one or two and they are names that don't show up on other stars albums. I know there are folks on the forum that know much more about this subject than I do so I hope they will come forward and enlighten us and even correct me if I have the wrong idea of what's going on here in town. Very good thread and I want to mention I specifically do not want to know how much money any session players are making any where it's just a fun topic to discuss. I have enough problems worring about my own finances to worry about the session players. So guy's and gal session players please understand my post for what it is just a fun topic to talk about :-) thanks Bob |
Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
![]() Well, some hypothetical approximations can be made. If a top session guy who commands double scale averages, say, 8-10 dates a week, that's about 5.5K-7K per. Say he works 50 weeks a year, that's around 275-350K +/- yearly. Which doesn't count the Special Payments Fund check for airplay on hits he's on, which can also be considerable. It's been a long time since I've been on any records that got airplay, so I don't know if that fund still exists. John? Nice work if you can get it. ------------------ |
c c johnson Member From: killeen,tx usa |
![]() Some time ago I answered people that wanted to know if I had ever recorded and I havn't. I was to record with Dude Martin in Oakland. I was at the Presidio of San Francisco. The nite before the session the Hospital Ship Benevalence went down out side the Golden Gate and we were busy pulling survivors and bodys out of the water so I did not make the session. Since all I had to do was take the Bay bridge to the session Dude was going to pay me $25 which was more than the $15 a nite we were getting in the honkys. CC |
John Macy Member From: Denver, CO USA |
![]() Herb, The Special Payments Fund is not related to airplay--the labels pay in a percentage related to units sold. This amount is divided by the total number of master session, and that amount is paid to the player times the number of sessions played. SLightly voodoo, but a nice check if you play a lot of sessions.... |
Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
![]() If a song changes keys, do you have to pay everyone double scale? Even the drummer? |
c c johnson Member From: killeen,tx usa |
![]() B0bby I totally agree. Lets start a movement, you be the president and I'll be the treasurer. No contributions of less than a $1000 will be accepted. CC |
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