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Paul King
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From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

posted 20 August 2006 02:14 PM     profile     
Today I heard the ole Charlie Rich song "Behind Closed Doors". The song has a great portion of piano used on the kickoff, turnaround and verses. I do not remember what year the song came out and never knew who played the piano on the song. Anyone know what year and who the piano player was? I love the steel guitar but if I had a second choice, piano would be what I would want to play. I enjoy the piano style that was used on that song.
Walter Stettner
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From: Vienna, Austria

posted 20 August 2006 02:30 PM     profile     
Yes, of course, that was Charlie himself!

Kind Regards, Walter

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Mark Eaton
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From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA

posted 20 August 2006 02:31 PM     profile     
The song was a number 1 hit for Charlie in 1973, and I'm about 90% sure that Charlie himself played the piano on it.

Definitely one of the great country songs of all time.

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Jim Phelps
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From: just out of Mexico City

posted 20 August 2006 02:33 PM     profile     
The piano style's nice, but I always considered it as being the Floyd Cramer style that Nashville had put to just about everything in those days, a wonderful style but done to the point of being almost a little too common. Charlie Rich played piano himself but I don't know if the studio guys let him play it on his recordings... will look forward to hearing the answer from someone who knows.

Well it seems the question's been answered while I was typing... I always assumed it was Charlie but didn't know for sure.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 20 August 2006 at 02:35 PM.]

Gene Jones
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From: Oklahoma City, OK USA

posted 20 August 2006 02:37 PM     profile     
Paul, I always liked the music of Charlie Rich, and I don't know the answer to your specific question....I only remember the career ending incident for Charlie Rich when he was a presenter and took his cigarette lighter and burned the John Denver nomination on national television because John wasn't a "country" artist!

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Jack Stoner
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From: Inverness, Florida

posted 20 August 2006 03:19 PM     profile     
I always assumed it was Charley but I heard one time that it was Pig Robbins. Can't confirm that - just what I heard one time years ago.
Skip Edwards
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From: LA,CA

posted 20 August 2006 04:32 PM     profile     
I've also heard that it was Pig Robbins.
Steve Hinson
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From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 20 August 2006 04:51 PM     profile     
It was Pig...we were talking about that record at a session on Friday and Jim"Moose"Brown agreed that Pig did that one as well as Charlie's other hits(at least the one that Billy Sherill produced on Epic...)

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Glenn Austin
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From: Montreal, Canada

posted 20 August 2006 06:02 PM     profile     
Great song, but what I would like to know is who played steel on " Did you happen to see the most beautiful girl in the world".?
Jason Odd
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From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 21 August 2006 12:46 AM     profile     
As Charlie's records got more country-politan, he had less creative input.

I'm not 100% sure it was Pig, but I'd bet the guys are right.
It's definately no Charlie, by that point his style was considered too individual.
His Epic albums from 1968-70 are fantastic, amazing country soul, all they needed were Al Green style horn parts, but then again Charlie recorded for Memphis label Hi Records two years before Al Greene.

I like the later Epic sides, Behind Closed Doors and a lot of the smoother stuff, but the '68-69 sides are up there with the best.

Mitch Drumm
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From: santa rosa, ca

posted 21 August 2006 01:21 AM     profile     
If you want to hear the best of Rich's own piano playing, listen to the early to mid 1960s recordings he made for RCA with Chet Atkins producing pop and jazz standards like I've Got You Under My Skin, Old Man River, River Stay Away From My Door, Nice and Easy, Big Boss Man, etc.

Anybody who knows him only from Behind Closed Doors and later is effectively listening to someone else. He's much more of a blues/jazz/R and B artist, but he made millions as a "country" artist, and more power to him. After 15 years of playing dives and being largely ignored, who wouldn't "sell out"?

His final CD, early 1990s, with Mood Indigo, etc. is great also and reminiscent of his 1960s recordings.

Steve Hinson
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From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 21 August 2006 04:12 AM     profile     
Glenn,I'd say Pete Drake played steel on"The Most Beautiful Girl"...he's on just about all of Charlie's hits from that era,although I believe Jim Vest played on some later stuff(Rollin'With the Flow,etc.)...

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Paul King
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From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

posted 21 August 2006 06:38 PM     profile     
Thanks guys for the info. Gene did bring up one thing I did not know. Charlie burning the nomination of John Denver is unusual to say the least. I would bet that would put an end to most artists success. On the subject of "Behind Closed Doors", I enjoyed the other hits Charlie put out as well.
Chris LeDrew
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From: Newfoundland, Canada

posted 21 August 2006 07:15 PM     profile     
Bobbe Seymour played steel on "Most Beautiful Girl In The World".
Jerry Hayes
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From: Virginia Beach, Va.

posted 22 August 2006 07:39 AM     profile     
A good example of Charley's piano playing along with a his killer vocal is a tune called "Who Will the Next Fool Be?"... He was a very soulful singer and player....JH in Va.

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David Tunnell
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From: Marshfield, Missouri, USA

posted 22 August 2006 10:00 AM     profile     
I am pretty sure it was Pig Robbins that played on "Behind Closed Doors". I remember reading a story in the liner notes of a Ronnie Milsap CD that said Pig Robbins played the intro on the Milsap song "I'm a Stand By My Woman Man" and that they nearly got sued because he played the intro similar to the one he played on "Behind Closed Doors". If that is not true, then blame Ronnie Milsap; he said it, not me.

If anybody out there knows where one can buy CDs of Pig Robbins, I would surely appreciate it if you would point me in that direction. I have looked every place I know of, but cannot find any.

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Mitch Drumm
Member

From: santa rosa, ca

posted 27 August 2006 12:59 AM     profile     
Here are the official session details for Behind Closed Doors:

Produced by Billy Sherrill; strings arranged by Bill McElhiney; Charlie Rich, vocal; Hargus "Pig" Robbins, piano; Wayne Moss, Ray Edenton and/or Billy Sanford, guitar; Pete Drake, steel guitar; Henry Strzelecki, bass; Jerry Carrigan, drums; The Nashville Edition, background vocals; Rec. November 28, 1972.

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 27 August 2006 07:25 AM     profile     
I'm happy that Rich had the success that he did in the '70s (no-one deserved it more!), but I agree that those records were not the 'real' Charlie.

I loved his early work, and always felt that he got a bit lost in Elvis Presley's shadow.

Ronnie Milsap, too - there's another musician with hidden depths. Both he and Rich knocked me out on piano!

RR

Paul King
Member

From: Gainesville, Texas, USA

posted 27 August 2006 07:29 AM     profile     
Those session details tell it all. There were some fantastic musicians listed on those credits. "Pig" Robbins did a fantastic job on piano on that song. It may be just be me but I have a hard time finding a piano player that can play that style. I enjoyed all the music I have heard Charlie Rich put out.
Steve Hinson
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From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 27 August 2006 07:45 AM     profile     
Mitch...if I may ask...where did you get that session information?It is not available on the album cover...

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Mitch Drumm
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From: santa rosa, ca

posted 27 August 2006 09:59 AM     profile     
Steve:

Entirely by coincidence, the personnel on "Behind Closed Doors" was the subject of discussion in another online music group of which I am a member. They were discussing whether it was Pig or Charlie on piano.

Someone went to the trouble of rooting around on the web and found those details somewhere on Sony Music's site. I guess they have the publishing.

I just copied from that source. I have always understood it was Pig on piano and that Charlie was not particularly amused---but he deferred to Billy Sherrill as producer and laughed all the way to the bank. If memory serves, Rich had known Sherrill since the early 60s when he and Sherrill both worked for Sam Phillips in Memphis, so Rich presumably had some faith in him. And Charlie probably figured they were on the right track, because he had been hitting the lower end of the charts immediately before Behind Closed Doors took off. At that time, Charlie's recording career had really been floundering for 6 or 8 years. But, Rich didn't need to take a back seat to anyone on piano.


Here's an excerpt from an interview veteran engineer Lou Bradley gave in 2000, about recording in Studio B (Billy is Billy Sherrill):

"Normally, we worked the room with the singer away from the band a little bit," Bradley continues, "but we did Charlie Rich in there and cut 'Behind Closed Doors' and those hits. Charlie played piano, but Pig Robbins would play the piano [on the sessions], and Charlie would like to stand near the piano, and so Billy got to cut everybody standing by the piano, right in the middle of the band."

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