I remember when 6 mile came out. I liked the movie and I liked the music. I think a lot of people did who otherwise hadn't been exposed to rap before. Everything I've heard by Emmenem I've liked. Again I don't listen to a lot but I still have a particular rap song in my head that I must of heard 15 years ago. It was very catchy and it still pops up in my head from time to time. I remember when Rapper's Delight came out from the Sugarhill Gang and I loved that tune. I think you have to be attuned to rhythm based music.

I guess the main point is that no one really cares if YOU think it is music or not. Enough people do to make it one of the most successful genres out there.

[This message was edited by Bill McCloskey on 14 November 2006 at 10:42 AM.]

No

Have I ever been to a rap concert and do I plan on going in the future?

No

Do I believe some rappers have talent?

Yes

I sure don't like the content of some of his lyrics, but I do believe Emenem is a talented individual.

I saw the group East Mountain South open for Lucinda Williams a couple of years ago. They have sort of an ethereal bluegrass/country/folk sound. On one of their songs they ended the piece and morphed into an Eminem number-it was actually kind've cool.

Not something I would attempt myself.

P.S. I like to pull my kids chains by playing Charlie Daniels' "The Devil Went Down To Gerogia" and Jerry Reed's "Amos Moses" and tell them that these guys were "the fathers of rap."

San Francisco bizarre rocker, founder of Primus, and bassist extradonaire Les Claypool did a great version of "Amos Moses" several years ago...

Worded that way, the debate is invalid on it's face.

There is only one thing here, and it's "personal taste." A broad, absolute, blanket statement like "brocolli just isn't food" -- at least in my opionion -- is, well... just stop and listen to those words as they tumble out of your mouth.

Which is to say, nobody here has yet convinced me that, because they hate brocolli so much, it should now be considered a non-food item for all people, everywhere.

Because that might be considered a little foolish. Like an eleven-year-old that was suddenly crowned King and permitted to Make Proclamations on behalf of The Entire Kingdom based on his personal whims.

1. an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color.

(RAP does fit in this definition,
if not as a shining example...)

2. the tones or sounds employed, occurring in single line (melody) or multiple lines (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.

(it specifies not that it need be a complicated melody,
Rap has multiple lines,
One or more vioces and instruments)

3. musical work or compositions for singing or playing.

(fits more or less)

4. the written or printed score of a musical composition.

( rap falls down here.)

5. such scores collectively.

(Yeah right a folio of rap charts..)

6. any sweet, pleasing, or harmonious sounds or sound: the music of the waves.es (harmony), and sounded or to be sounded by one or more voices or instruments, or both.

(If birds and waves can be musical even guys
with little or no musical creativity
can still make something in the catagory,
doesn't mean it's GOOD music,
Pleasing is in the ear of the beholder)

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form of auditory communication incorporating instrumental or vocal tones in a structured and continuous manner

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Rap qualifies. It's communicating something to somebody even if it ain't you, in a structured and (arguably monotonously) continuous manner.

I don't listen to much, but then I am not the target demographic.
Same reason I don't listen to much current Country music anymore.

but to answer the topic question, that's why rap can be called music, whether you "like" it or don't "like" it

and I get the feeling b0b's point was why are you even bringing it up on a Steel Guitar forum in ANY topic area? I could be wrong, and b0b forgive me if I am putting words in your mouth...

[This message was edited by Dave Van Allen on 14 November 2006 at 12:39 PM.]

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There is no bad music, only bad performances.

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