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Brendan Mitchell
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From: Melbourne Australia

posted 19 November 2006 12:18 AM     profile     
Here is one of my favourites from Frank I stumbled on looking at Youtube .Rub it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgujWm0TrJA
Brendan
Susan Alcorn
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From: Houston, TX, USA

posted 19 November 2006 06:00 AM     profile     
Wow, that certainly brings back memories. A biting sense of humor and such incredible musicians.
Dave Zirbel
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From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 19 November 2006 07:02 AM     profile     
Suzie Creamcheese!
Jerry Overstreet
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From: Louisville Ky

posted 19 November 2006 07:27 AM     profile     
I listened to a lot of Zappa records back in the day. Although a lot of his lyrical content is a bit rough, the band was one of the most versatile.

Humor mixed with fantastic musicianship made for a very interesting listening experience.
T & B forever!

Ray Minich
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From: Limestone, New York, USA

posted 19 November 2006 07:44 AM     profile     
Watch out where the huskies go, and...

Great googley moogely!

Richard Sevigny
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From: Vancouver, BC, Canada

posted 19 November 2006 07:54 AM     profile     
Got to hand it to him. Incredible musicianship and a matching sense of satire.
And NO sacred cows, either...
Larry Robbins
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From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 19 November 2006 08:38 AM     profile     
Mud Shark, anyone?
Dave Zirbel
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From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 19 November 2006 09:09 AM     profile     
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlLMzmnjJBo&search=frank%20zappa%20apostrophe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um6_SP3V0w0&search=frank%20zappa%20apostrophe

A quote from my father: "You know Dave, when you started listening to that Grateful Dead stuff that wasn't so bad but when you started listening to that Frank Zappa guy, well.....your mother and I were a little concerned!"

If they only knew......

[This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 19 November 2006 at 09:15 AM.]

[This message was edited by Dave Zirbel on 19 November 2006 at 09:15 AM.]

Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 19 November 2006 09:50 AM     profile     
great memory. I happened to meet Frank several times when he and the Mothers were playing at the Garrick Theater in the Village, one of our usual haunts...As freaky as he appeared, he was really quite stable and really fun to talk to, very social. He came up to us..were like 16 years old and afraid to look at him let alone talk to him.
We went to see him play several times that summer and he actually remembered us and after the shows come over to chat...

After the shows the Mothers would rehease for hours on end..sometimes we would stay and listen for an hour or so until we were just to blown out from the constant retakes..

Frank, what a genious, I'm sure glad I was around when he was...

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 19 November 2006 at 09:51 AM.]

David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 19 November 2006 10:28 AM     profile     
Always been a fan of Frank,
my Dad turned me on to him.

I favor his more serious exorations,
but love the humor too.

Oddley, to me, I am told on 3 continents,
that my jazz composing resembles Zappa.
It has happoened several times in N.Amaerica, Europe and Asia.
Out of the blue some one says it sounds like Zappa.
Of course I find that flattering,
but rarely think of frank when I write.

I guess he is a 'seminole' influence.
(that mental indian in the woodpile I never noticed.)

Dave Mudgett
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From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 19 November 2006 10:40 AM     profile     
Yup. I was always so impressed that such a serious neo-classical composer could just tear into a gutbucket blues and just rip it up. He had everything - great compositional ideas, humor, discipline and an intense work ethic, and tons of grease - and I do mean "grease" in a very good way.

I got to see him fairly often back in the late 60s and early 70s with several Mothers lineups. He just played the blazes out of a Gold Top Les Paul or SG Special. I remember a quote about his guitar influences - he talked about Guitar Slim (Eddie Jones), and I could always hear that in his playing. But he generally downplayed his guitar ability, and I do think his compositional abilities overshadowed his guitar playing.

Still, my favorite wah guitar solo ever is "Stuff Up the Cracks" from the Ruben and the Jets album. I always thought that his guitar solos showed his compositional ideas - he could be in outer space, but I still felt the presence of structure. I hope I learned a thing or two from him.

David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 19 November 2006 12:09 PM     profile     
Back in the day I loved his stuff for its iconclastic nature, but always thought of it as sort of comic cacophonic novelty rather than anything serious. Looking back on it now, I have a little more respect for the musicianship that went into it. Somehow I suspect there are not many Zappa fans here. Did Zappa ever use a steel guitar?

[This message was edited by David Doggett on 19 November 2006 at 06:44 PM.]

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 19 November 2006 09:22 PM     profile     
Big fan. Had a buddy -Peter Wolf that played with Zappa back in the 70s. He went on to do some producing.

When they came to Atlanta for a show, Wolf called me up and invited me to come and watch the show from back stage. I got a chance to look at the music also--amazing, all written out by Zappa himself.

The future will be good for Zappa. His compositional skill will be celebrated. Lot's of his music is scored out in a form that can be studied by future generations of studious music types.

I personally prefer the early Verve recordings, but like about all of his work.

"Only 13 and she knows how to nasty!"

Darryl Hattenhauer
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From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA

posted 19 November 2006 10:00 PM     profile     
In Sacramento there was a radio station named in his honor, KZAP. In an anti-drug public service announcement for them, he said, "Speed will make you just like your parents."

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My initial response was to sue her for defamation of character, but then I realized that I have no character. -- Charles Barkley

Dave Zirbel
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From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 19 November 2006 10:18 PM     profile     
David D. I believe Frank used Sneaky Pete on one of his tunes. I forget which one.

My favorite FZ albums are Freak Out, Mothermania, We're Only In It For The Money and Live at the Roxy & Elsewhere.

DZ

Olli Haavisto
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From: Jarvenpaa,Finland

posted 19 November 2006 11:42 PM     profile     
Sneaky Pete played on the Waka/Jawaka album , I think the song is called "`Cause it jus might be a one-shot deal " ??
I think I`ve read of Sneaky playing live with the band , too.
BTW Check out the Zappa guest appearence on the Monkees where Frank plays Nesmith and vice versa....On YouTube

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Olli Haavisto
Finland
www.ollihaavisto.com


John McGann
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From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 20 November 2006 06:05 AM     profile     
Excerpts from Zappa's "Truck Driver Divorce":

Truck Driver Divorce
It's very sad
steel guitars
usually weep all over it...

...oh go ride the bull
oh go ride the bull
Make it go up and down
and when you fall down you can even eat the mattress...

Truck Driver Divorce, it's very sad...
Bust your ass
to deliver some string beans
deliver some string beans
deliver a whole bunch of string beans
to Utah....

My favorites-

Sinister Footwear (Them Or Us, I think)
The Yellow Shark (Ensemble Modern)
Shut Up 'n Play Your Guitar vol 1-3
You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore vol 2.
Mo N' Herb's Vacation (w/ London Symphony/Kent Nagano)

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http://www.johnmcgann.com
Info for musicians, transcribers, technique tips and fun stuff. Joaquin Murphey transcription book, Rhythm Tuneup DVD and more...


[This message was edited by John McGann on 20 November 2006 at 06:05 AM.]

Howard Kalish
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From: Austin, Tx USA

posted 20 November 2006 01:32 PM     profile     
I suppose my two biggest musical influences are Frank Zappa and Bob Wills, though that may seem strange. I've been an Frank Zappa fan since I found Freak Out in a record bin when I was 13 years old. I have all his LPs up to and including Overnight Sensation.

I saw the Mothers at least 12 times in various incarnations and spoke to Frank a number of times. Even interviewed him for my college newspaper. He tried to pick up my girlfriend by offering her an osage orange.

Years later I was at a party and my daughter, now 21, was about 1. Both Jimmy Day and Jimmy Carl Black, the Indian of the groups, where at the party. I have a picture, buried in a box somewhere, of me and my kid with a Jimmy on either side of us.

I think We're Only In It For the Money is still one of the most brilliant records of its era, lyrically and musically.

I wish one of you steel players would do a rendition of Peaches En Regalia. Maybe someone has. I recall someone posting some steel versions of an FZ tune or two.

Jon Light
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From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 20 November 2006 01:46 PM     profile     
My older brother had Freak Out & Absolutely Free when they came out--I don't know if I would have encountered them myself. They remain seminal & super important in my own musical evolution. Only Money is brilliant too. I picked up these three on CD not too long ago. Unfortunately I wore out the grooves on Live at the Fillmore, loud, while still living at home--I can only begin to imagine the living hell I put my folks through with that one. In retrospect I think this was a weak period--the Flo & Eddie thing.
Major regrets that I never saw Zappa.
one thing that always struck me about his guitar playing---I have no idea about his influences but his phrasing was always quite unique. His attack and accenting was so very different from anyone I ever heard. I always wondered where he was coming from with that. Whatever, it was a striking personal style in a world of guitar clones.
Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 20 November 2006 04:04 PM     profile     
Howard, Zappa meets Wills, eh? LOL! What a chunk of chocolate!

'Peaches en Regalia' has indeed been recorded on steel, very well, I might add, by Joe Goldmark. You can find it on his CD, "All Over the Road".

[This message was edited by Jim Cohen on 20 November 2006 at 04:13 PM.]

Dave Zirbel
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From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 20 November 2006 04:20 PM     profile     
Michael Haselman
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From: St. Paul Park, Minnesota, USA

posted 20 November 2006 04:57 PM     profile     
Don't forget Frank's greatest country ballad, "Harder Than Your Husband." (much, much, much...)
Susan Alcorn
Member

From: Houston, TX, USA

posted 20 November 2006 05:50 PM     profile     
Well, I'll add my own little bit here. I saw the Mothers of Invention twice in the very early seventies -- once with Flo and Eddie (and they were great live) and once without. I remember on one night Dion DiMucci opened the show by himself -- just he and his guitar, and people started yelling, "You suck" and "We want Zappa", and he had the most beautiful and sincere voice I had ever heard. He just kept smiling and kept singing. His attitude is something I'll never forget.

A couple of years ago I was in Buenos Aires, and they were having a sort of Zappa film fest at a very prestigious arts center, and I went. The music of course was wonderful, and the musicianship impeccable, but I was the only one laughing (and some of the humor I find personally disgusting). I think that so much of Zappa's humor is very American idiomatic in-jokes. One of the films they showed was from his last concert in Germany. He looked pretty gaunt and didn't jump around the stage, but there was such an intensity in his guitar playing. He wasn't as flashy as a lot of other rock guitarists, but what he did was incredibly musical if you listen to the ideas and the little things he put in there.

Last summer Jimmy Carl Black and I were both in one of Eugene Chadbourne's ensembles (a Johnny Paycheck tribute) at a festival in Vandoeuvre, France. Jimmy is a real sweetheart and still talks fondly about Zappa. He's from West Texas which you can figure out as soon as he opens his mouth. He's living in Germany now and still plays quite a bit (often with Eugene Chadbourne and keyboardist Pat Thomas) throughout the continent. When he lived in Austin he had a housepainting business with Arthur Brown (the crazy world of).

OK, that's my Zappa trivia.

-- Susan

and "Zappa meets Wills" is not a bad description of the band that Howard plays in.

[This message was edited by Susan Alcorn on 20 November 2006 at 05:52 PM.]

[This message was edited by Susan Alcorn on 20 November 2006 at 06:12 PM.]

Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 20 November 2006 08:06 PM     profile     
Help I'm A Rock!
chas smith
Member

From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 20 November 2006 10:27 PM     profile     
I picked up Freak Out when it was first released. In the liner notes was a quote from Edgar Varese, "The present day composer refuses to die."

It opened the door to another way of doing things.

Mike Shefrin
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From: New York

posted 21 November 2006 07:01 AM     profile     
Uncle Meat!
Howard Kalish
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From: Austin, Tx USA

posted 21 November 2006 07:22 AM     profile     
Thanks Jim for pointing me to Joe’s record. That’s one of his that I don’t yet have. He’d be the one to do Peaches justice.

Susan, I’d certainly agree that Zappa meets Wills is a fair description of the Cornell Hurd Band, though Cornell liked the Bonzo Dog Band more than the Mothers. I like them too, especially Gorilla and Keynsham.

Tony Prior
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From: Charlotte NC

posted 21 November 2006 07:49 AM     profile     
ok , I still need to know..

Who are the Brain Police ?

Mark Vinbury
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From: N. Kingstown, Rhode Island, USA

posted 21 November 2006 07:58 AM     profile     
Recently went to the Zappa plays Zappa concert here in Providence.
Dwezil leading a band of great musicians including guest appearances by Steve Vai and Terry Bozzio
An overwhelming (approx.3 hrs)collection of Zappa tunes from across the years.The rehearsal time necessary to get all that music down must have been outrageous.
If your a fan of Frank's I'd reccomend it.
The only thing I would have liked was more story telling and insght into the Zappa music process.

Here is one of the youtube clips available.
While not really representative of the concert it is a cool clip of Steve and Dwezil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_d3Ej3O6z8&mode=related&search=

[This message was edited by Mark Vinbury on 21 November 2006 at 10:27 AM.]

P Gleespen
Member

From: Lakewood, OH USA (I miss Boston!)

posted 21 November 2006 08:14 AM     profile     
Here Fido!
Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 21 November 2006 08:40 AM     profile     
Call Any Vegetable.
Larry Robbins
Member

From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 21 November 2006 09:33 AM     profile     
AT ST. Alfonzos' pancake breakfast.....

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Stephen Gambrell
Member

From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA

posted 21 November 2006 12:52 PM     profile     
"Where I stole the margerine..."

Back in the day, I loved Frank's humor. Now, I get the music, and realize what an incredible composer/arranger/THINKER the man was.
Like my man Bill Hatcher says, Frank WILL be remembered.

Steve Alcott
Member

From: New York, New York, USA

posted 21 November 2006 02:50 PM     profile     
I remember causing great consternation as a kid in Lubbock when I played "Who Are the Brain Police" over the hifi in the band room. Me and my friend Hymie Smith could perform "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" (a capella) at the slightest provocation.
Larry Robbins
Member

From: Fort Edward, New York, USA

posted 21 November 2006 03:02 PM     profile     
Eddie, are you kidding?
Jim Peters
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From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA

posted 21 November 2006 04:39 PM     profile     
"TV dinner by the pool." JP
Dave Zirbel
Member

From: Sebastopol, CA USA

posted 21 November 2006 05:16 PM     profile     
....:could I interest you in a pair of Zircron encrusted tweezers?"

This could go on for awhile!

Billy Wilson
Member

From: El Cerrito, California, USA

posted 21 November 2006 06:04 PM     profile     
And her favorite group was Helen Ready....
Duncan Hodge
Member

From: DeLand, FL USA

posted 21 November 2006 07:04 PM     profile     
"Our country isn't free
And the law refuses to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns a store
You know that five in every four
Just won't amount to nothin' more
Gonna watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

Blow your harmonica, son!"

Just amazing...........Yes, Im a fan

John McGann
Member

From: Boston, Massachusetts, USA

posted 21 November 2006 07:19 PM     profile     
...of all them college educated women...

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