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erik Member From:	posted 23 December 2006 02:56 PM profile In the past 2 days I've bought a George Jones CD(they also stock his current release), Mark Chesnutt's latest, Sammy Kersahw's latest, and I also bought Tracy Bird's current release(Is he traditional? I'll find out in about 1 minute, LOL) ------------------ -johnson
John Steele Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada	posted 23 December 2006 03:22 PM profile Shouldn't that be "Wal-Mart profits from traditional country" ? How benevolent of them. Merry Christmas, -John
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY	posted 23 December 2006 03:31 PM profile George Jones is Chinese? Who knew?
Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 23 December 2006 03:50 PM profile quote: George Jones is Chinese? Who knew? Po Sum On! [This message was edited by Greg Simmons on 23 December 2006 at 03:51 PM.]
erik Member From:	posted 23 December 2006 04:32 PM profile The independent distributers who represent those artists choose to sell these cds to walmart. walmart doesn't have to stock them, they could very well say that because they are not mainstream they may not sell in their VERY LIMITED space dedicated to Country cds, yet they do because whoever the buyer is, he must like traditional country. You're welcome, for letting me spell it out for you. ------------------ -johnson
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA	posted 23 December 2006 05:57 PM profile It seems so ironic to me. Wal-Mar is the flagship for human rights exploitation, the destruction of small-town America, downsizing American manufacturing by pushing cheap and disposable imports, international shipping thuggery, and is pretty much the epitome of how global corporate practices have severely hurt the working American. I tend to consider country music lovers to be a demographic in our society who generally tends to lean patriotic. The irony to me is that Wal-Mart's clientele consists largely of the people it hurts most, hard working middle America. Their friendliness toward country music is an indication of who likes to shop there. It's sort of funny to me, but more than that it's sad. I don't really blame the shoppers in general because in most small towns, there's really no where else left to shop since Wal-Mart destroyed all the local businesses. Sorry for the Wal-Mart soapbox, but their evil practices really do trigger the deeply patriotic American in me. So I guess it's true, China is a very traditional country. Brad
Alvin Blaine Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA	posted 23 December 2006 05:57 PM profile There was a news, report about a year ago, after the looting in New Orleans. The news report said that the one Wal-Mart, in the rough part of town that really been hit hard by looters, had nothing left in the store except all the country Cd's. The looters had cleaned out everything, even most of the store fixtures, but they didn't touch one single country CD.
Michael Lee Allen Member From: Fresno CA USA	posted 23 December 2006 06:11 PM profile The jewel cases from those CDs could be used to replace cracked ones. They should have taken the cases and left the discs. Now THAT would be making a statement.
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 23 December 2006 08:36 PM profile While on the subject of Walmart and country music, check out "Friends with Low Wages"! www.walmartworkersrights.org
Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA	posted 23 December 2006 08:46 PM profile As much as I like a bargain, I stay out of Walmart as much as I can. Someone gave me a Walmart gift card this year. I gave it away. Interesting how much they changed and how their Made In USA theme tanked so fast after Sam Walton passed.
Mike Winter Member From: Oregon City, Oregon, USA	posted 24 December 2006 12:05 AM profile What Brad and Bill said...they can do without my money.
Chris LeDrew Member From: Newfoundland, Canada	posted 24 December 2006 12:07 AM profile They're open 24 hours here in Newfoundland, until Christmas. As if the "mom and pop" stores do not have it hard enough. Don't we all hate Walmart? And don't we all (or our spouses at least) shop there? Tough cycle to break.
Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY	posted 24 December 2006 02:15 AM profile A US television manufacturing plant (I think in Tennessee but I'm not sure) was barely staying afloat. They then lost their most imortant contract to a Chinese plant. They appealed to whatever US govt. commission is responsible for maitaining a level playing field and protecting US trade from unfair and illegal product dumping by companies that sell cheap due to government subsidies and unfair labor practices. Walmart testified at the hearing. Against the US company, for the Chinese company. Sam Walton is turning in his grave. Hopefully the current operators of Walmart will soon be, too. Walmart has done and is doing more harm to America than Al Qaeda in its wettest dreams.
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA	posted 24 December 2006 07:15 AM profile Greg S. Po Sum On my potatoes! Wal Mart is like cigarettes - we know they're bad for us, we all hate 'em, but they're tough to quit!
erik Member From:	posted 24 December 2006 07:51 AM profile My Tracy Byrd and Sammy Kershaw CDs say manufactured and distributed in th US. Are you suggesting that I only buy these CDs, where? Most people I ever met that were in manufacturing live in nice houses and retired early. Any person that can't make it in manufacturing should switch to the trade industry. The economy of the last 10 years does not reflect your concerns. ------------------ -johnson
Lynn Trimble New Member From: New Mexico, USA	posted 24 December 2006 08:01 AM profile Just wanted to let you know of a deal that sure got my attention as an alternative for going into the store to purchase CD's. If you think music and video downloading are going to be around for a while, and if you would like an opportunity to capitalize on that concept, then this may appeal to you. Go to www.burnlounge.com/steelynn and play the commercial at the bottom of the page. If your internet service is not quite what you need to view a video, you can call 1-212-990-7150 for a short message that explains what the whole deal is about. E-mail me at steelynn@plateautel.net and let me know what you think. Lynn
erik Member From:	posted 24 December 2006 10:29 AM profile Congratulations, 1st post, a solicitation. ------------------ -johnson
Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 24 December 2006 10:57 AM profile Brad's post said it all... Alan Jackson sang it well: "Now they are lined up in a concrete strip You can buy the world with just one trip And save a penny cause it's jumbo size They don't even realize They'er killin' the little man Oh the little man"
erik Member From:	posted 24 December 2006 11:44 AM profile I'm the little man, I'm doing just fine. ------------------ -johnson
Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 24 December 2006 12:18 PM profile Well, good on ya, and all the best then to the little woman too! - is this a great country, or what ------------------ “Back then, everything was different, and you only saw it once; now everything’s the same and you see it over and over again" -Peter Case
Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA	posted 24 December 2006 02:03 PM profile quote: Shouldn't that be "Wal-Mart profits from traditional country" ? Isn't making a profit the goal of any business? At least that's my understanding of things. I'm not sure why all the bashing of Walmart. Nobody's forcing anyone to shop at Walmart. Nobody's is forcing anyone to work at Walmart. If people don't like working at Walmart then DON'T WORK THERE!! If you don't like shopping at Walmart DON'T SHOP THERE!! Walmart sells the same stuff almost every other store sells. It's obvious that Walmart knows how to run a retail business. And the best thing about Walmart? They learned how to run a retail business better than anyone else WITHOUT any government handouts, and IN SPITE OF all the EEO bullcrap, and all the two-faced morons who scream and holler every time Walmart wants to build a new store, but then complain about higher taxes. Just me two cents.
Keith Cordell Member From: Atlanta	posted 24 December 2006 05:19 PM profile That's not realistic, Tom. Most folks don't have options, at least not that they can afford. And Wal-Mart can charge less because they force companies that do business with them to agree not to sell products to other companies for the price they buy at. They kill all the local competition by centering themselves in low income areas where their clientele have little choice but to go where things are cheap, then when they kill off the competitors they jack 'em up again. And, since Sam W died, they do it with import goods which weakens the US economy further. That's not business, it's domination.
Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA	posted 24 December 2006 08:13 PM profile The Great Wal of China Mart.
Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 24 December 2006 09:20 PM profile Something to read while you're sippin' eggnog... http://walmartwatch.com/issues/supplier_relationships/ [This message was edited by Greg Simmons on 24 December 2006 at 09:48 PM.]
Tom Keller Member From: Greeneville, TN, USA	posted 25 December 2006 03:56 AM profile The television manufacturing plant was in my fair hometown of Greeneville, TN. In this particular case Walmart had to get line behind Phillips corp. to screw the community. I thought everyone had seen the anti- walmart movie www.walmartmovie.com/ "The High Cost Of Low Price". If your interested in seeing the above mentioned movie check google video.
David Mason Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA	posted 25 December 2006 05:56 AM profile In some areas of the country over 60% of Wal-Mart employees are receiving foodstamps, Medicaid, free school lunches etc., because they are so adept at keeping people off the full-time eligibility rolls and because their health care plans are too expensive for employees anyway. In a sense, it's a shift of money from other working taxpayers towards large corporate employers - WalMart employees really, really would work elsewhere if there was a better-paying elsewhere. WalMart even encourages their employees to sign up for these programs, because they're sure not going to give them a raise. The problem is systemic, unfortunately, having to do with the legal evolution of a corporation into an entity with all the rights of a person and none of the responsibilities of a citizen. Oh well, we'll just borrow another few trillion from China to pay for it all, what could possibly go wrong with that? [This message was edited by David Mason on 25 December 2006 at 05:59 AM.]
Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA	posted 25 December 2006 09:07 AM profile quote: they force companies that do business with them to agree not to sell products to other companies for the price they buy at. They kill all the local competition by centering themselves in low income areas where their clientele have little choice but to go where things are cheap, then when they kill off the competitors they jack 'em up again. With all due respect, if this were true, then Walmart would be facing some stiff penalties for violating anti-trust laws and unfair competition laws. If you don't believe this, then you basically have no faith in the government. quote: In some areas of the country over 60% of Wal-Mart employees are receiving foodstamps, Medicaid, free school lunches etc., because they are so adept at keeping people off the full-time eligibility rolls and because their health care plans are too expensive for employees anyway. it sounds like you're implying that if if weren't for Walmart, all these people WOULDN'T be receiving foodstamps, Medicaid, free school lunches, etc. quote: the legal evolution of a corporation into an entity with all the rights of a person and none of the responsibilities of a citizen. Not that it matters a whole lot, but that's a bit of an overstatement. Individual citizens have more rights than a corporation has. For example, citizens have the right to vote, the right to counsel if they can't afford counsel, etc. But, I'm really curious about this -- what responsibilities do individual citizens have that corporations don't? quote: Oh well, we'll just borrow another few trillion from China to pay for it all Ah, China. If only most people would do some research into this issue. One main problem with the trade imbalance with China is that the Chinese government, by manipulation, purposely keeps Chinese currency devalued for the sole reason of racking up a huge trade surplus. There are also many other things the Chinese government does or fails to do just to give themselves a big edge economically.
Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA	posted 25 December 2006 09:28 AM profile quote: they force companies that do business with them to agree not to sell products to other companies for the price they buy at. They kill all the local competition by centering themselves in low income areas where their clientele have little choice but to go where things are cheap, then when they kill off the competitors they jack 'em up again. With all due respect, if this were true, then Walmart would be facing some stiff penalties for violating anti-trust laws and unfair competition laws. If you don't believe this, then you basically have no faith in the government. quote: In some areas of the country over 60% of Wal-Mart employees are receiving foodstamps, Medicaid, free school lunches etc., because they are so adept at keeping people off the full-time eligibility rolls and because their health care plans are too expensive for employees anyway. it sounds like you're implying that if if weren't for Walmart, all these people WOULDN'T be receiving foodstamps, Medicaid, free school lunches, etc. quote: the legal evolution of a corporation into an entity with all the rights of a person and none of the responsibilities of a citizen. Not that it matters a whole lot, but that's a bit of an overstatement. Individual citizens have more rights than a corporation has. For example, citizens have the right to vote, the right to counsel if they can't afford counsel, etc. But, I'm really curious about this -- what responsibilities do individual citizens have that corporations don't? quote: Oh well, we'll just borrow another few trillion from China to pay for it all Ah, China. If only most people would do some research into this issue. One main problem with the trade imbalance with China is that the Chinese government, by manipulation, purposely keeps Chinese currency devalued for the sole reason of racking up a huge trade surplus. There are also many other things the Chinese government does or fails to do just to give themselves a big edge economically.
Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA	posted 25 December 2006 09:52 AM profile * [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 25 December 2006 at 04:39 PM.]
Scott Shipley Member From: Nashville, Tennessee USA	posted 25 December 2006 09:56 AM profile You guys are giving way too much "credit" to Wal Mart. Anderson Merchandising in Texas is responsible for what makes it to the shelves, not the suits in China. And (he says while ducking) sorry, but my "bluegrass vow of poverty" won't allow me to shop with a flag in my pocket.
Dave Mudgett Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA	posted 25 December 2006 10:42 AM profile quote: With all due respect, if this were true, then Walmart would be facing some stiff penalties for violating anti-trust laws and unfair competition laws. If you don't believe this, then you basically have no faith in the government. With all due respect, look at what happened to Microsoft even after they were found guilty of antitrust and anti-competitive practices. From a practical point of view - nothing. There is definitely a big gap in the this government's credibility when it comes to antitrust, IMO. That said, I don't think that all our economic problems can be hung on Wal-Mart. I think you also have to look at the government - and those that put them there. But this is getting too close to politics for me.
David Mason Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA	posted 25 December 2006 10:55 AM profile This is a huge subject, but essentially corporate lawyers have been using the 14th Amendment (freeing the Southern slaves) to claim Constitutional personal rights for a thing, an economic entity - corporations were originally only chartered for specific purposes (build a bridge, develop a harbor) then dissolved. It's been going on since the 1800's, with varying success. Right now, our anti-trust laws at are a very low strength, as low as during the "robber baron" days. Originally: quote: Corporations were forbidden from attempting to influence elections, public policy, and other realms of civic society. Corporate charters (licenses to exist) were granted for a limited time and could be revoked promptly for violating laws. Corporations could engage only in activities necessary to fulfill their chartered purpose. Corporations could not own stock in other corporations nor own any property that was not essential to fulfilling their chartered purpose. Corporations were often terminated if they exceeded their authority or caused public harm. Owners and managers were responsible for criminal acts committed on the job. Obviously, the lawyers have been busy... "More and more frequently, corporations were abusing their charters to become conglomerates and trusts. They converted the nation's resources and treasures into private fortunes, creating factory systems and company towns. Political power began flowing to absentee owners, rather than community-rooted enterprises." Link to this introduction: Corporate "Personhood" Email me backchannel if you want, economics is not actually a huge hobby of everyone on the forum, perhaps? [This message was edited by David Mason on 25 December 2006 at 10:59 AM.]
Lynn Trimble New Member From: New Mexico, USA	posted 25 December 2006 04:25 PM profile David, your quotes were certainly an eye opener. Do you reckon there were any tax lawyers involved? Seems like Wal-Mart is one of those double edge swords that can help some and hurt others. We sure lost some Mom and Pop stores in our area when they came in. One good thing that happened,and I don't know how much the company had to do with it,was at least provide a soapbox for some well-deserved and long overdue thanks to the WW II Vets.
Alvin Blaine Member From: Sandy Valley, Nevada, USA	posted 26 December 2006 02:17 AM profile I thought this thread was about the country music Cd's at Wal-Mart?
Thom Beeman Member From: California, USA	posted 26 December 2006 12:32 PM profile One point no one seems to want to reflect is the reason corp. like Wal-Mart and Best-Buy so out of the country to get there products (and don't kill the messenger because I use to belong to them), is the Labor union's. When a floor sweeper get $18.50 an hour and people in his community that arn't union get $7 to $10 an hour. Then the union strike's for more money and better benefit's and the other guy has to put out for his own. There is a problem. In my area the only people that complain about Wal-Mart are the labor unions and there greedy membership. Where's the love of country and community when all your thinking about is fattening your own checkbook. The majority of your community cannot afford shopping at the inflated prices, in the union stores. But as usual, everything is the governments fault, right? Wrong. ERIC, your right they have great CD's at good prices and for a guy on social security the price is right. [This message was edited by Thom Beeman on 26 December 2006 at 12:35 PM.]
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA	posted 26 December 2006 01:40 PM profile Here's an interesting site: http://walmartwatch.com/issues Brad
Greg Simmons Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada	posted 26 December 2006 02:50 PM profile Yeah, the nerve of some workers wanting a living wage, and benefits too...sheesh. But, getting somewhat back on topic, if Billy Bragg cut a country CD in Nashville and used Union session guys, would any self-respecting Wal-Mart carry it?
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA	posted 26 December 2006 03:00 PM profile Thom, to validate your argument, I think we need to determine WHO is the greedier here - Wal Mart, or the union worker?
erik Member From:	posted 26 December 2006 04:02 PM profile I'm a wage worker, just got word today that all driver's (that's me) hours will be cut to 32 to avoid a larger lay-off and so everyone can still keep their benifits. Am I complaining? No, because I live within my means and can still afford the occasional luxury. Think I might upgrade my MP3 player to a Creative Zen V 4mg. But should I buy it at WalMart or Circuit City, that IS the question. Oh, almost forgot: I was just at WalMart buying my case of Nestle water and at the checkout I recognized the cashier supervisor and squared away my faux paux of last week where I threw a chapstick into my cart not realizing it landed in my box of shoes and didn't pay for it. She had me run one through the scanner then she put it back. My list of favorite stores: Stop & Shop Wal-Mart Home Depot ------------------ -johnson [This message was edited by erik on 26 December 2006 at 04:15 PM.]
Tracy Sheehan Member From: Fort Worth, Texas, USA	posted 26 December 2006 06:28 PM profile Hate to bring bad news but look at the labels when you buy clothes,etc.Wal Mart is the only place i know of that sells country cd's here.Here is the rest of the story.I bought a lite jacket at Wal Mart for 9.98.The same brand jacket made in India was 29.95 at Sears. Nuff said.

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