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Topic: Digital 8 track workstations?
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Larry Clark Member From: Herndon, VA.
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posted 28 May 2002 02:38 PM
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Steven, Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the VS-890 was a 6 gig. |
Steven Welborn Member From: Ojai,CA USA
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posted 28 May 2002 03:02 PM
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Larry, I'm going by the workstation comparison site (musicians buy.com) list by Larry Bell in his response further up. Check it out. According to that comparison 890 has 3 gigs w/comp. 6 gigs would make more sense though. I'll check other sources to confirm that. |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 28 May 2002 04:13 PM
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Tony, I don't own a 788 (yet) but if I understand your question correctly the answer is Yes.You can direct the MONITOR OUTPUT to Stereo Tracks. They cal this "premastering". I'd call it "mixdown". I downloaded the "Quick Start Manual" from the Tascam website to find this info. Their searchable forum at http://209.216.16.19/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=13&submit=Go is also a wealth of info. I'm close too, but very interested in what experiences others have had with the 788 and it's rivals.
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Michael Holland Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 28 May 2002 05:50 PM
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My 890 has a 6GB drive partitioned into three 2GB sections. I believe this is standard, but since it's possible to exchange the drives check the unit for drive space.Mastering Tracks - There are not separate mastering tracks, you must use two of the 128 tracks available per song. The catch is you can't play back and record on V tracks played on the same fader, so you have to comp a stereo pair to make room for the mastering tracks. That's why the 1880 has 18 tracks; the extra two are for mastering, but can be used as regular tracks, too. You can mixdown all eight (or four stereo pairs of comped and effected submixes) to DAT, then import that back onto two tracks and master those. Now, once you have your mastered tracks, you can create a CD image right on the 890 including track numbers and space between tracks. Save the CD image and you can burn as many CDs as you want from it (one at a time, of course). Compression - There are a number of compression schemes to choose from as well as sampling rates. As long as you choose 44.1Khz as your rate, you can master to CD. The greater the compression rate, the longer the recording time. I don't notice any difference in sound using compression. CD compatibility - There are a number of SCSI CD burners approved for use with the Roland recorders and there are regularly ones on eBay for about $200 - $250. I have a Plextor Plexwriter 4/2/20 which cost $225 and it works perfectly (if a little slowly). Effects - All the standard stuff like reverb, chorus and delay is great, but the mic modeling effect is worth the cost of admission by itself. Plug in a 57/58 and run it through one of the studio condenser mic algorithms and you won't believe the sweet sound that comes out of that stage cardiod mic. For vocals and acoustic guitars it's unbelievable. The guitar amp models are good, too, but I much prefer to get the sound I want with an amp and stick a 57 right in the sweet spot. You can't really duplicate the sound of moving air. Connectors - The 890 has only unbalanced inputs (6 1/4") and I prefer to run a mic through an external tube pre-amp (just the cheap ART with a good tube in it) for more control over level. The mic pre's on the Roland sound good, but thier level control is kind of touchy and the external amp provides smoother level control. Also, there are no balanced XLR ins (have to go to 1880 for that). Digital connectors include both in and out on S/PDIF optical and co-ax (though only one at a time) and, of course, the built in SCSI bus to the CD burner. What else? Oh, the LCD is pretty small, but it is backlit. The LCD on the 1880 is far, far superior; much larger with grapics that are easy to see and very intuitive. And there's lots and lots of button pushing and a pretty steep learning curve. Be ready to put sticky notes all over your manuals! |
ajm Member From: Los Angeles
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posted 28 May 2002 06:16 PM
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My 788 has 7.5 GB. I believe for a while that they were shipping with 10 GB. The latest version of software will support up to 16 GB if you want to swap out the drive. They have a new version of software which I don't believe is released yet which will enable you to install a 64 GB drive.Rounding things off, I believe that 7.5 GB is good for about 3 hours of 8 track 16 bit recording. (This depends on several things, so this is a general number.) So even with a 16 GB drive, that amounts to a lot of 3 minute hit singles. You're probably going to be ecstatic with whatever you get, but IMHO you're doing the right thing by investigating first.
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Roger Crawford Member From: Locust Grove, GA USA
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posted 28 May 2002 07:03 PM
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A local source told me that the BR8 and the 788 are going to be replaced with units that have a built-in CD burner, a la Yamaha. You should be seeing a price reduction in both units. |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 29 May 2002 03:12 AM
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Yes Roger, correct. The BR 8 is now replaced with the BR 1180 which comes with or without the CDR option plus it has 11 tracks, for drums or mastering I believe. It is a 16 bit ( uncompressed with a 20 gig HD ) machine but I read today that even the tascam 788 when burning CD's converts the 24 bit to 16 bit..go figure..But the reviewer stated that this was not a bad thing.. tp |
Chris Schlotzhauer Member From: Colleyville, Tx. USA
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posted 29 May 2002 06:05 AM
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I did a ton of research before purchasing a DAW. I went with the Roland 2480HD and I got the CDR rack mount. I don't care for the new 2480CD. The hard drive (although is 80G) is not removable and the burner is built in. This means you would have to send the entire unit in to repair either device. The quality of sound is second to none IMHO. I just got a flat screen LCD monitor and I can do every function with a mouse, including editing. This thing rocks! |
Jim Palenscar Member From: Oceanside, Calif, USA
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posted 13 June 2002 12:00 AM
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I just picked up a new Tascam 788 yesterday from Ebay ($650 with no CD burner)) and played with it for the 1st time last night for a couple of hours- way cool~~~ did a CD demo for a friend of mine- backing track from a CD, his vocals doubled, accoustic guitar, and my steel. Real easy- fairly intuitive and great results. It is a good choice for not much money. |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 13 June 2002 07:35 AM
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Well in staying with one of my greatest qualities, "CHEAP" ( just ask my wife ) I purchased a BR8 over EBAY with a bunch of stuff and paid $400. I should receive it anyday now but have downloaded tons of resource material for it including a file from Roland which converts the BR8 zip files to WAVE files from the PC ZIP drive. I did have a chance to see and play with the BR1180 and came to the conclusion that an 8 tracker with on board drum machine was not the solution I was looking for. I'm still of the opinion that less is more. I've downloaded several user MP3's done on the BR8 and they are pretty incredible. If I can even come close to some of those I would consider myself fortunate.I also believe at this time that a machine that has a cost increase of around $300 for an internal propietary CD writer is a big burn as well, especially because most of the new machines have an optical output for CD as standard. Long term I still have my eye on the Roland machines that hook up to a VGA monitor and use a mouse. see ya in St Louis ! tp |
Matt Steindl Member From: New Orleans, LA, USA
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posted 13 June 2002 08:35 AM
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Congrats Tony and Jim! Im sure you will both be extremely happy w/ your new machines.I would never dog onanyone for researching a big new equipment purchase, but in my mind overthought is death, and eventually you gotta stop wanking and make a decision(which is what you both did!). Remember the golden rule! "Garbage in.......Garbage out!!!!!" Apologize in advance to the wife and the boss, cause you are both gonna have a blast spending TOO much time w/ your new machines!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-: S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul |
Joey Ace Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 13 June 2002 09:43 AM
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Congrats Jim, I also purchased a new 788 two weeks ago. I find the learning curve to be a bit steep, but worth the trip.There's an excellent 788 User Forum at www.tascam.com . I found searching that far more helpful than the manuals. I very happy with the unit. Be sure to sign up for the soon to be released v2.0 firmware. |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 22 June 2002 11:51 AM
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Update: Well I have had this Boss BR8 for a few days and had a chance to spend just a brief amount of time with it. It's that easy. I followed along with the video manual and within just a few minutes did several takes ( poor music though) and mixed it down. I'm pretty impressed so far. Small and real easy to use, and sounds real fine. The video manual is a mind blower, if you can see and hear you can't hardly do it wrong.In about a week or so I'll post a new track on my meek little website from the BR8. tp TPrior/SteelGuitarHomesite
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Michael Holland Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 22 June 2002 12:45 PM
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Thanks for the update, Tony. I've decided to go with a new Roland 1180CD for its drum loop capability. I'm selling my VS-890 and CD burner at the link below. http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum3/HTML/013765.html |
Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 22 June 2002 03:10 PM
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Michael, the 1180 CD is a fine choice. If you search Google for BR8, you will find all sorts of manuals ,documents and stuff that will apply to the 1180 users operations as well. I noticed an 1180 CD on EBAY for $800..brand new..that was a bargain as they sell for around $995 I believe. I think the added 2 tracks for mixdown are a benefit as well. Good Luck tp |