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Topic: Genesis 3
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 11 October 2003 07:45 PM
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Yea, apparently they've decided that the floor model is more marketable. They took the brains of the Genesis 3 and put it on the floor with an expression pedal and depending on which model, you get like 1, 2, or 3 footswitches. The big model even records audio. I like the pod mentality for steel since we dont really have any extra feet available. Even though discontinued, there seem to be a few left floating around out there, and Ebay is loaded down with them for about $90 on the average. Brad Sarno
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les green
Member From: Jefferson City, Mo 65101 USA
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posted 13 October 2003 04:16 PM
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Where can one purchase the cable necessary for the downloads? Part # etc. I've been using the Genesis 3 for about a year now. Quite a gadget!
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 14 October 2003 10:21 AM
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Just a heads up on the Genesis 3 and why they're being blown out so cheap. Apparently they've had some problems with them going into a mode where some parameters start to randomly and spontaneously change. The word is that the most common parameter change is the modulation rate if you're using something like chorus or tremolo. Mine had a problem with the delay Tap-It button where it would sometimes not respond to the tapped tempo but would suddenly set itself to a very very fast delay time. I think that was because mine was a store demo for 2 years and the button got abused. One European said that if the voltage from the wall fluctuates too much, that too can cause some wierd bugs. The large majority of them are said to remain reliable. They have supposedly worked out these bugs but the implementation is in the new GNX1, 2, and 3 floor models which contain the brain of the Genesis 3. It doesn't look like they'll release the Genesis 3 anymore though. I wonder if they've got a new desktop, POD type model coming out. Perhaps a Genesis 6? Brad Sarno |
Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 14 October 2003 06:08 PM
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How does the Genesis 3 compare to a POD 2.0?
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Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 15 October 2003 04:53 AM
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Can the tone control frequencies be altered on these units once you get inside via computer?
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Mike Brown
Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 15 October 2003 06:15 AM
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Tony, why don't you place the Genesis effects device in the POST EQ PATCH of the Bandit amp? This is what this patch point is for. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 15 October 2003 07:47 AM
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Dennis, the software easily lets you dial in the active frequency for each band of the EQ. I haven't heard the POD-2 but I understand that at least the Genesis 3's effects are superior. My guess is that the Gen3 is more tweakable than perhaps any other modeling device. Mike, the input impedance/level is for guitar level signals. I wonder if the signal at the post-EQ patch point on Tony's amp is too strong a signal for the input of the Gen3. I dont know. Brad Sarno |
Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 15 October 2003 08:57 AM
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I used BE's settings and went in the front of the Bandit with the eq flat and it sounds fine. I'll try what Mike suggested and I have a PV Rockmaster tube pre-amp that I'm going to try with the Gen 3 for direct recording. I have a rack that I use but, this might work real well. I used the Blackface setting the other day for overdubbing a few songs and it didn't sound bad . All of the recording that I do, I run direct. Thanks for your help.
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Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 17 October 2003 02:58 PM
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Brad, are these units easily repaired if they start drifting off on their own? Is this a factory repair proceedure?
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Dennis |
Bob Snelgrove
Member From: san jose, ca
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posted 18 October 2003 07:39 AM
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Hey GuysBuddy suggested the "more" amp model setting and I can't find anything in the book about it. Is it an amp model or does it bypass the amp models? thx bob |
Rainer Hackstaette
Member From: Bohmte, Germany
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posted 18 October 2003 04:17 PM
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quote:
One European said that if the voltage from the wall fluctuates too much, that too can cause some wierd bugs.
No, it wasn't me, but still:
Multi effects units like the Genesis, the POD, or modeling amps are small computers really. They need a stable current to operate properly. Air conditioning, electric heating, powerful fans, beer cooling systems can cause the voltage to drop, even if only momentarily. If the voltage drops below a certain value my POD or AX2 (Line 6's formerly top-of-the-line modeling amp) simply go berserk. They flip through presets at random, give off real ugly digital distortion and finally cut out altogether. It took me a while to realize what was happening. Now I plug these units into a voltage stabilizer and they perform perfectly. Unless there's a blackout ... then it's Dobro and candlelight.  Rainer ------------------
Remington D-10 8+7, Sierra Crown D-10 gearless 8+8, Sierra Session S-14 gearless 8+5, '76 Emmons D-10 8+4, Peavey Session 400 LTD
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Jerry Gleason
Member From: Eugene, Oregon
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posted 18 October 2003 09:56 PM
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Bob, The "More" setting gives you access to three more amp models that the dial doesn't have room for. The first setting is "CLNTUB" or "clean tube". keep rotating the dial and you get "BLUES" (blues combo), and "HIWATG" (Hiwatt 50 stack). The next click takes you on to the "User" setting. |
Bob Snelgrove
Member From: san jose, ca
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posted 20 April 2004 01:16 PM
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Brad,Did you ever figure out Buddy's reverb setting? The "reverb level" he mentions is actually the knob (p5) that adjusts the *delay* level while in the delay settings. thx bob |
Dyke Corson
Member From: Urbana, IL USA
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posted 21 April 2004 07:14 PM
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I'm pretty sure Buddy does not use the reverb on the Genesis 3 |
Tony Dingus
Member From: Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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posted 14 September 2004 04:47 PM
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Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 14 September 2004 07:11 PM
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I've been using the Genesis 3 for several months now. Upgraded it from 1.0 version to 1.4.
I use it in stereo mode. Plugging it into a Peavey Classic 50/50 with each side of the amp pushing a 15" BW Shallow Basket (2 cabinets). I set the pre gain on the Gen3 to 15 and the master full on. Despite the small 50watts output on each speaker, it is plenty loud enough to play outdoor gigs.
After months of tweeking the Gen3, this is my current setting:
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Amp: Blkface
Cabinet: 65 1X12
Fq (tone stack):B=70, M=625 T=3000
Delay: Spread, 380ms, 41, 30, 20
Reverb: Arena, 3, 50, 50, 35
Preamp tone: B=+7 M=-6 T=+9
Utility: FX2X12
---------------------------------- The Classic 50/50 has a bass and presence control. The bass is off and the treble is straight up. The tone color of your particular amp my vary.
In my opinion, the Blacface amp model is much warmer and projects a little more of the growling, sparkling tube tone of a Fender amp compared to the Cleantube amp.
The molding of your perfered tone stack is important in zeroing in on the tone you're searching for. I tried the Session 400 frequencies and didn't get the warmth. I tried the Fender Twin frequencies and got it very close to what I was looking for. Then I simply cranked up the bass knob and adjusted the bass frequency (stack) to my ear and ended up on 70hz. Then cut the mid knob and adjusted the mid frequency (stack) to 625. Then turned up the treble knob and it sounded best around 3000hz. |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 15 September 2004 12:46 PM
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The Genesis 3 is a very versatile unit, but it's construction seems really flimsy compared to the POD. I'm afraid to take mine out of the house! Does anyone here use it for one-nighters on a regular basis? Any reliability problems? |
Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 15 September 2004 07:23 PM
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B0b,
I stumbled onto a laptop computer bag at a local 2nd hand shop ($5).
It's padded all the way around and the Genesis fits perfectly. It also has a zipper pocket on the side for carrying guitar and speaker chords.
I've been using it on gigs for about a year with no problems.
Dennis |
Dave Robbins
Member From: Nashville, Tnn. USA
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posted 15 September 2004 08:47 PM
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I use my Genesis everywhere. Have not had the first problem with it. Seems plenty durable to me. And...I don't baby it either.Dave |
Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 27 October 2004 07:06 PM
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I have put Buddy's settings on the Genesis 3 and it is much too bright, sizzling. I would like some help in figuring what is causing this. Can anyone help me?
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Bob Snelgrove
Member From: san jose, ca
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posted 27 October 2004 09:31 PM
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Jerry,Are you going into the front of combo amps? I think Buddy did with tones flat. bob |
Jerry Roller
Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA
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posted 27 October 2004 10:56 PM
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Thanks Bob, I am going into the front of a Webb. I turned the EQ off and set the treble on the amp to 1.5 and all my settings sound pretty good now. The amp setting on the Genesis 3 seems much brighter than the others. It seems that I might not be storing enough as I program it because I can go back and recheck and the settings have changed.
Jerry |
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