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Topic: What amp you guys use for the pedal steel?
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Raj Natarajan Member From: Spring, Texas, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 03:03 PM
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Guys, Is there a significant difference in the quality of tone between Peavey Nashville 400 and Nashville 1000? I recall someone telling me that Nashville 1000 has more of a tube sound. Is that really true? I have a Nashville 400, do I need to eventually trade this in for a 1000. Of course, 1000 perhaps will have a lot more volume. Any other popular ones out there? From time to time, I use a my Hiwatt DR-103, it is just different than the Peavey Nashville. Matter of fact, it is quite different. Please share your wisdom. TIA |
Sidney Malone Member From: Buna, TX
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posted 13 November 2003 03:55 PM
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The Peavey amps are very popular and dependable, great company!! My personal favorite is the Walker Stereo Steel, it's just the one that works for me!! I've tried several different amps and when I tried the Stereo Steel I knew that was it for me. You'll probably be like the rest of us need and to try many different amps to find the one that works for you. Good Luck!! |
Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 13 November 2003 04:32 PM
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...Webb |
Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 04:39 PM
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Either a Twin Reverb with EV's, or a Traynor YCV80Q, with 4-10's. Tubes!! |
Brett Day Member From: Greer, SC, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 05:05 PM
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I use a Peavey Rage 108 amplifier and it can be plugged into any instrument. It is a small amplifier. I use it as a practice amplifier. Brett Day, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel |
Bob Knight Member From: Bowling Green KY
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posted 13 November 2003 05:16 PM
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The Peavey units are not to be surpassed by the high priced combos, fad rack units or the "holy grail vintage" tube amps.Peavey has invested 30 years ++ in the Steel Guitar market and their products,dedication and SERVICE is unequalled!!!!!!!!! There is no need to look further, people tend to think because an amp costs more or so and so plays it, it's better. NOT!!Sincerely, Bob  Session 500 2-Nashville 400 Session 400 Ltd. DPC 1000 ProFex II Nashville 400 DUAL Preamp. Peavey Nasville 112 Speakers w/1203-4 Black Widows[This message was edited by Bob Knight on 13 November 2003 at 05:57 PM.] |
David Doggett Member From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 05:16 PM
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Raj, I have a NV 400 and it sounds as good or better to me than the NV 1000s I have heard. They are both solid state and sound solid state. Other than having a little more power, the NV 1000 has a kevlar speaker cone, instead of the paper cone of the NV 400. Some people who switched to the NV 1000 posted on the Forum that they had trouble dialing out the midrangey sound, which I suspect was due to the kevlar cone. Somewhere I read that even though the paper cone sounds a little better, Peavey switched to the kevlar cone because it handles the higher volume better, especially distortion effects. These latter might be reasons to consider moving to the 1000, but I don't think you should expect dramatically better sound. |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 05:45 PM
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Sho-Bud Standel Evans THD MosValve depending on the venue.
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Bob Knight Member From: Bowling Green KY
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posted 13 November 2003 05:46 PM
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For Nash. 1000 Try 1-2 O'clock BASS 9 O'clock MID(corrected as per Randy ) 11- 1 O'clock HIGH 800-850 SHIFT PRES to taste.Let us know your opinion on these settings. Bob  [This message was edited by Bob Knight on 13 November 2003 at 06:04 PM.] |
Michael Holland Member From: Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 05:56 PM
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Click on the little hardwood Boogie.  ------------------
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Randy Wade Member From: Batesville, Arkansas, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 05:56 PM
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3 o'clock is a bit too much mid for me, I would suggest 9 o'clock, for my steels anyway. |
Bob Knight Member From: Bowling Green KY
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posted 13 November 2003 06:03 PM
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Randy, I stand corrected,You are absolutely correct! I must be lexdysec??  |
David Cobb Member From: Chanute, Kansas, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 07:06 PM
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Don't pitch the NV400 for a 1000 without doing a comparison first. The 1000 does not have a tube sound. Both have more power than you will likely need.[This message was edited by David Cobb on 13 November 2003 at 07:07 PM.] |
jay thompson Member From: east peoria, il USA
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posted 13 November 2003 07:22 PM
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Peavey TransTube Fex's, Peavey DPC 750's, Custom Peavey BW 12's, and 15's. Can't beat Peavey stereo systems. Regards, Jay Thompson |
Jeff A. Smith Member From: Angola,Ind. U.S.A.
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posted 13 November 2003 08:16 PM
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There's a modification that Peavey markets for older (I forget before which year, sometime in the 80's) Nashville 400's. After this particular year, the Nashville 400 had the mod's circuitry already installed. The Nashville 1000's also include either the same circuitry, or something similar.The Peavey mod, or another one made by LeMay, are installed for tonal reasons, and generally are thought to be an improvement over the non-modded Nashville 400. It might be good if you knew if your 400 has the mod or not. If the serial number is past a certain digit (a search would probably reveal what digit), then your 400 has the mod. Or, if it is an older 400, (like mine), it may have had the mod installed after market. Personally, if I didn't feel my sound was lacking something, I wouldn't worry about upgrading. The opinions of others about what amp someone "has to" have only have so much worth. |
David Deratany Member From: Cape Cod Massachusetts
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posted 13 November 2003 08:29 PM
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I had a pair of Nashville 400's I used for years. I can't fault them. Great sound, plenty of power, reliable. But they kept putting on weight. Carrying two at once became a problem, then carrying one at a time became a problem. So.........I got one of Gerry Walker's Stereo Steel Amps. I sure like it; it is in three pieces, all weighing around thirty pounds each. For me it was a win/win situation.I played a 29 performance run of the "Always, Patsy Cline" show with a 1963 Maggie (Magnatone 440). It was one of those gigs where if you could hear yourself you were too loud. I brought the SS to the first practice, tho, to establish some ground rules  [This message was edited by David Deratany on 13 November 2003 at 08:37 PM.] |
john buffington Member From: Owasso Ok USA
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posted 13 November 2003 08:30 PM
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Webb exclusively. |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 13 November 2003 08:33 PM
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Webb |
b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 08:38 PM
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Moved to 'Electronics' section. |
Bill Simmons Member From: Keller, Texas, USA
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posted 13 November 2003 08:58 PM
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WEBB AMP! --------------------------------------------- '79 Emmons D-10 Black Mica, 8+6; '79 Zum D-10 Birdseye Maple, 8+5; Webb Amp |
Jody Sanders Member From: Magnolia,Texas
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posted 13 November 2003 09:54 PM
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I have Peavey 400's, a 1000, and am currently using the Nashville 112. Love it. As I have said before, I have never had a piece of Peavey equipment fail me at any time. Jody. |
David Langdon Member From: West Bridgford, Nottingham Notts, United Kingdom
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posted 14 November 2003 03:12 AM
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Hello Raj. A DR 103 eh? That's a great amp, however I never thought about it for steel. Do you use a 4x12 cab as well? Apart from my LeMay mod N400 I use another rarer Peavey, and I would like Mike Brown to chime in here on this one. It is a Peavey VT Artist, using a solid state preamp and a 120 watt valve power amp. Mine is also rarer in the fact that it has a factory fitted BW 1501. I don't know what this amp was designed for but it is so versatile and LOUD! I use it in stereo with the Nashville, and because its tone signature is different it smooths out the overall sound between the two amps. Tell you what though, I'll swap you it for your DR 103! Because that thing will make my Hammond organ sing! Dave. |
Roger Kelly Member From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645
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posted 14 November 2003 03:13 AM
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Peavey Fender Evans (Derrell Stephens made) Webb Not necessarily in that order. You can't go wrong on any of these, in my opinion.  |
Raj Natarajan Member From: Spring, Texas, USA
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posted 14 November 2003 07:34 AM
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Hi All, Thanks for all nice responses. My NV400 is a modded one bought about 2 years ago brand new from Remington steel, here in Houston. I think I paid about $425 for it. So, it appears that NV400 is very similar to the NV1000, although I would want to compare side by side at some point. May be Herb can arrange it. Somebody was selling a NV1000 for about $400 in very good condition, I should have bought it. Seems like Webb is another amp to try out. In the mean while I will continue to use my NV400, is not at all a bad amp by any means. Any way thanks again for your answers... |
Steve Stallings Member From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers
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posted 14 November 2003 07:41 AM
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quote: The Peavey units are not to be surpassed by the high priced combos, fad rack units or the "holy grail vintage" tube amps
Whew... I beg to differ. I personally own the following amps: Peavey NV400 PV PX300 Peavey Classic 50-212 (all tube) Fender Vibrolux (all tube) Evans FET500 Large Cabs (2) Kendrick 118 (all tube) Marshall DSL2000 (all tube) I tried out a NV 1000 and it wasn't for me. ... and my baby: VHT 2/90/2 All tube hand built power amp which is actually two separate 90 watt all tube amps in a rack mount configuration. These are expensive and heavy. You can easily purchase two NV 1000s for what you will pay for just one of these amps. They are just the amp, so you will need a preamp and speakers. While I am a huge Peavey fan, to state that their amps are the equal of high end tube amps is not accurate. There is no free lunch. You get what you pay for. I think Peavey does an excellent job with their amps and is a great buy. In addition to the peavey amps, I also own a PV Van Halen, Dyna Bass, 2 profex II units, and an older PV guitar which is really nice. So, it's not that I don't like PV. I use the VHT amp with a Mesa Boogie or Evans Preamp with a TC Electronics verb into two pacific cabinets with 15 inch black widows. This system is simply a step above the Peavey gear and sounds it. I have well over $3000 invested in it. Is it three times better than a NV 400 or 1000? No, but it clearly is superior. |
Mike Brown Member From: Meridian, Mississippi USA
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posted 14 November 2003 09:05 AM
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Raj, My name is Mike Brown and I am a steeler and have worked for Hartley Peavey at the factory for close to 29 years. I have been playing steel since 1985 and continue to play in clubs on weekends now. My interest in the electric guitar began in 1963 or so. I believe that I am qualified to answer your questions about Peavey products.First of all, the Nashville 1000 was never intended to sound like a tube amp, but maybe it does have some tube characteristics to some players. I personally prefer a solid state amp for my steel guitar and a tube amp for electric six string. It's subjective and as you notice here, everyone seems to have a different preference. To provide a brief overview of our involvement in the steel guitar community, we introduced our first true steel guitar amplifier in 1974 and it was called the Session 400. Scotty and Peavey have been the major sponsors of the St.Louis Steel Guitar Convention since 1976, we have introduced more steel amp models since that time than any other amp manufacturer. We are also a sponsor at the Texas Steel Guitar Jamboree. I, as well as several authorized Peavey dealers(who are also steelers)participate on this Forum daily. You can inquire about Peavey products by calling our toll free consumer phone line at 1-877-732-8391 Monday through Friday from 8am-5pm CST. I could go on and on with our involvement of the steel guitar community, but I think that the bottom line is that we are more involved than any major amplifier manufacture in the world. I invite your inquiries. Dave Doggett, the Nashville 1000 has a paper cone. Always has. Jeff, we began installing the Peavey mod kit into Nashville 400's starting with serial number 08575482. All Nashville 1000 amps have this kit incorporated into its circuitry. |
C Dixon Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 14 November 2003 09:28 AM
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Gentleman,You may post all the other amps you wish, and I believe you how much you like them, but the facts remain, the overwhelming amps that steel players use; is the Peavey. As dear friend Mike Brown says, "sound is subjective". And indeed it is. But if there was ever a consensus when it comes to a PSG amp, it is Peavey, HANDS down. I love my Fender Twin reverb when playing my pre war Rick bakelite steel. But NO way would I ever be happy with this amp on my PSG's. They simply are too warm for the sound that is in my head (and the sound I must have) when it comes to the PSG. And that sound has never come from any amp but a Peavey. And from the looks of thing, I do not believe I am alone, I laud Hartley Peavey and all his crew (including Mike) for their dedication to us. carl |
Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA
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posted 14 November 2003 09:37 AM
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Mike Brown, thanks for all your hard work on Steel amps over the years. Us players really benefit from your research. BTW, I got the Vactrols for the Encore 65 out of Allied Electronics for $3.79 ea. Thanks for the help. When did you post the note on the Peavey website about the purpose of the Pre-EQ out & In on the front panel of the NV400? The NV400 manual was kinda ambiguous about these jacks intended purpose. Thanks for clearing that issue up. Now I gotta get two more long cables for the foot pedal. Emmons SD-10, Dekley S-10, Nashville 400, DeltaFex, Encore 65, Express 112 (Who's Peavey?)[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 14 November 2003 at 09:42 AM.] |
Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 14 November 2003 10:06 AM
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I also like the Nashville 1000, much better than the 400. |
Dennis Wood Member From: Savannah, TN USA
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posted 14 November 2003 10:32 AM
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I prefer my old model nash400 with the chrome corners over my Fender twin or my Peavey Tubefex for steel. The twin and effects processor are great for six stirng tele or lespaul but i want my steel to sound like a pedal steel guitar not an organ, piano, slide blues guitar etc. But as Mike B said,, tone is subjective. Just my two cents... dw------------------ Sierra U-12 Crown Gearless, Peavey Nashville 400, 1971 Fender Twin Reverb, Peavey Tubefex, Peavey Stereo 212, Peavey TT Bandit w/ex speaker. Regal Reso, Tele, Strat, 1970 Les Paul Std.
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Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 14 November 2003 11:38 AM
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I'm a "combo" guy, so mostly, I use my Peavey Stereo Chorus 212. Good power (2x130watts), nice stereo chorus sound, and a decent digital reverb and delay. Adding the LeMay mod took the tone from "fair" to "very good" (Think Session 500.) It's my feeling that if this amp had a graphic EQ, and a variable reverb/delay (instead of presets...man, how I hate presets!), it would have today's ULTIMATE combo amp, bar none.Nothing on the market (even "boutique" amps) could have competed with it. Period. The 1000 is a fine, and very powerful amp, but is slightly lacking in bottom end for my own tastes. As far as "tone heaven", my Fender Super Twin Reverb wins that award, hands down. GOD, it's an awesome amp! Weight and inadequate reverb are it's serious drawbacks, though. |
Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany
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posted 14 November 2003 11:41 AM
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I have tried all the major Peavey amps, the Nashville 400, the 1000 and the new one with the 12 inch speaker, and have not been able to get the sound I want out of any of them. And yes, I did twist the knobs a lot and tried different "midrange" settings. Fender tube amps work for me. I used to have a 135 watt Twin, which is great for steel because it has the most headroom, but traded it in for a 100 watt Vibrosonic with JBL D-130F speaker, because I liked that one even better. Now and then, for smaller settings, I also use my MusicMan 210 which has a very agressive character but that fits my playing quite well. I donīt like that mellow sound that most seem to prefer these days. Itīs just, different strokes for different folks. Try out a lot of amps and get what YOU like best.Regards, Joe H. |
Buck Dilly Member From: Branchville, NJ, USA
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posted 14 November 2003 01:05 PM
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I love my Vibrosonic W/JBL D 130. Every amp has drawbacks. THe Vibro is a bit noisy. But at regular volumes, even in the studio it is quite manageable. The punch is out of this world! I have a Lab Series L5 as a back up Amp. It sounds a bit like a Peavey or other transister amp. |
Bill Moore Member From: Manchester, Michigan
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posted 15 November 2003 09:49 AM
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My ears prefer the sound of two amps or a 2 channel power amp with 2 speakers. The sound is bigger, wider and deeper. At every steel show I've attended, the players using dual amps or a power amp rig, always sound better, then those using a single amp. For example, Joe Wright played in Grand Rapids this spring, and did his usual fine job, using a single amp, but later in the summer, at Toledo, he used two NV400's, I think he used the same Profex II both times. The difference was instantly noticable and much better at Toledo. Herby Wallace always sounds great with his power amp rig. Question for Steve Stallings: How would you compare the VHT to the ProfexII into the NV 400 and PX300? It may not be fair to compare the 2 channel power amp rig to any single amp. I think most folks would be very pleased with a Profex II into 2 NV 400,s or 1000,s. Certainly you would be getting a great value for your investment with that rig. Just my few cents worth.  ------------------ Bill Moore... my steel guitar web page
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CrowBear Schmitt Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 15 November 2003 12:41 PM
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i use the 2 lines out from my Hilton VP. 1 into a Nash1K w: a little reverb and 2 into my PA Peavey Euro 6 cabs /Crown amp/Yamaha Console for the effects side(MPX1) of things. it's as good to me as it is for me.....  |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA
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posted 15 November 2003 05:06 PM
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I just spent the afternoon testing a couple prototypes for the Standel steel amp. I thought it was the best thing I've heard yet and it won't be inexpensive. |
Gino Iorfida Member From: Oakdale, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 16 November 2003 08:33 AM
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Has anyone ever done a side by side comparison of the Nashville 1000 to one of the original Session 400's (not the 400 LTD)? I have an original Session 400, and love it, however, if the opportunity to do a trade for a nashville 1000 came up, I'd want to know if ti would be a worthwhile trade.... and I'll say this, if a Peavey steel guitar amp is good enough for Buddy Emmons, Lloyd Green, and the countless numbers of the other 'big guys' hey, they are more than good enough for me.[This message was edited by Gino Iorfida on 16 November 2003 at 08:39 AM.] |
Brad Sarno Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 16 November 2003 09:08 AM
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I wouldn't recommend it Gino. Keep the discrete j-fet circuit. That Session 400 is a magic box that has a warmth and sweetness the 1000 can never achieve. Not to knock the 1000, but more to praise the 400. Brad Sarno
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Gary Walker Member From: Morro Bay, CA
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posted 16 November 2003 10:58 AM
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Webb 614-E two piece Peavey Session 2000 Peavey PX300 Peavey Session 500 Enhancer (small) The Webb is the A team for me.[This message was edited by Gary Walker on 16 November 2003 at 09:22 PM.] |
chas smith Member From: Encino, CA, USA
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posted 16 November 2003 11:47 AM
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quote: steel guitar amp is good enough for Buddy Emmons
I had the good fortune to be able to test Buddy's Standel.....This isn't intended to be a slam on Peavey, but to temper what appears to be an infomercialand a recognition that the top players have other amps.[This message was edited by chas smith on 16 November 2003 at 01:17 PM.] |