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Doyle Mitchell
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From: Loraine,Texas 79532

posted 15 January 2005 07:42 AM     profile     
I am an Auctioneer and recently purchased the estate of a life long friend that passed on. He had been a guitar picker all his life and had several old Fender guitars of which the family kept. But I did get an old Fender Vibro Verb amp in excellent condition. I am not familar with this amp, can any of you Fender experts tell me any thing about it?? Have not played steel through it but it sounds good on my fiddle. Any idea of what it might be worth or how old it is?? Family said he has had it for many years. I have some people wanting to buy it but dont have a clue of what to ask for it. Thanks for any help. Doyle Mitchell
D Schubert
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From: Columbia, MO, USA

posted 15 January 2005 08:32 AM     profile     
Here is a useful link for Fender Amp history

http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/

These were only made in the early 60's in several versions...

1963 brownface, 40 watts, 2 x 10" speakers
1963-64 blackface, 40 watts, 1 x 15" speaker

...and as a re-issue in the 90's w/ two 10's.

They also mention that there may be a few 1962 prototypes covered with white tolex (rarer than hen's teeth).

The 15" speaker model was a favorite of Stevie Ray Vaughn's, and would probably sell for big $$$ to the right buyer. My memory isn't that good but I think I've seen one of these priced in the $2500 range on some vintage dealer's page.

Even the old 2x10" models would be very desirable for a guitar player. If you plan to sell, do some pricing research first.

The re-issue is desirable, but wouldn't bring huge $$$.

[This message was edited by D Schubert on 15 January 2005 at 08:32 AM.]

D Schubert
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From: Columbia, MO, USA

posted 15 January 2005 08:37 AM     profile     
http://www.superiormusic.com/page008.html

Look at the 5th item down...is that what you've got?

Bob Metzger
Member

From: Waltham (Boston), MA, USA

posted 15 January 2005 09:30 AM     profile     
One of the Fender Holy Grails: It's actually a pretty good low power steel amp!!!

[This message was edited by Bob Metzger on 15 January 2005 at 07:23 PM.]

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 15 January 2005 11:45 AM     profile     
That was Stevie Ray Vaughn's favorite amp. They are rare. You can get big bucks for it, as the above add shows.
Doyle Mitchell
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From: Loraine,Texas 79532

posted 15 January 2005 07:08 PM     profile     
the one I have is the 64 model, blk. with 15'' speaker. Wow! I may have found a treasure. Thanks guys for the help, Doyle
Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 15 January 2005 07:51 PM     profile     
High-$3500
Low-$2250.

Don't sell it for a dime less. Better than any money in any bank. The reissue of this amp is not like the old one like you have. I have a 64 model,original with the Fender canvas cover, one owner in 9.5 out of 10. I lucked out like you did. I sold my original Vibroverb and was lucky to replace it.

Edit: The biggest reason this amp is valuable is that SRV played it and the prices went out the roof. Prior to him using it, you could get them for $5-600. No more.

[This message was edited by Bill Hatcher on 15 January 2005 at 07:54 PM.]

Dan Tyack
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From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 15 January 2005 08:36 PM     profile     
I just traded some excess equipment for the 90s Reissue, and it is actually a very decent amp. Great lap steel amp, and decent steel amp (when plugged into a 15" JBL cab).

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Joe E
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From: Plainfield,IL

posted 17 January 2005 12:07 PM     profile     
IT is definitely the holy grail of blues amps. I had one and sold it in a time of need, thinking I could replace it. NOPE, can't hardly find them. Very few were made. They have the biggest tone I have ever heard for guitar. I think guitar through a single 15 is awesome. As others stated SRV did use them, but also teamed them up with super reverbs. Can you imagine a Vibroverb and a Super Reverb on the stage at the same time both on 10!

OUCH!!!

Bill Hatcher
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From: Atlanta Ga. USA

posted 17 January 2005 03:24 PM     profile     
Dan T.

The Vverb reissue has the printed circuit card and has mods built in from Ceasar Diaz. It is not even close to the original handwired amp in construction and sound. It may be a good amp---but it is not a Vibroverb, which is just fine for the owners of the original amps. The value of these is not affected by the reissue, which by the way are VERY expensive.

thurlon hopper
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From: Elizabethtown Pa. USA

posted 18 January 2005 07:58 AM     profile     
Knew a guitar player on Okinawa by the name of Ron Hensley (Jazz), and he used a Vibroverb w/ a 15" Altec. Superb sound and
playing technique. Would like very much to have one of those amps. If any of you know
Ron or his whereabouts please drop me a line
TJH
Grant Johnson
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From: Nashville TN

posted 18 January 2005 11:16 AM     profile     
I own a Vibroverb Blackface Clone made by our very own Fender Guru: Ken Fox.
It is an old Silverface Super Reverb head with an output transformer from an old fender twin, which feeds an Altec Lansing 15" speaker. This is housed in a pine cabinet with repro Fender Blackface cosmetics. It is a great low-volume PSG Amp and sounds fantastic with my Gretsch 6120.
John Billings
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From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA

posted 18 January 2005 12:09 PM     profile     
I have a very clean 64. Cost me $1100 about 14 years ago. I had my choice of two. One with a Jensen, the other with the JBL. Probably a mistake investment -wise, but I chose the Jensen cuz it sounded so much sweeter than the JBL. I bought it to play 6-string through, but it sounds very nice for streel in situations where you don't need too much volume and power.
JB
Andy Zynda
Member

From: Wisconsin

posted 18 January 2005 02:09 PM     profile     
Hey John,
I think that you made a good choice. I love JBL's, but for 6-string electric guitar, a vintage Jensen is the sweetest thing in the universe. Both in 15's 12's and 10's.
BTW, the VibroVerb was SRV's favorite amp, until he finally got a Dumble. Interestingly enough, it was the Steel Stringer model.
-andy-
(PS, Ken Fox builds great VibroClones!)

[This message was edited by Andy Zynda on 19 January 2005 at 07:10 AM.]

Ken Fox
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From: Ray City, GA USA

posted 19 January 2005 12:08 PM     profile     
Thanks guys! I built 4 of these from Bandmaster Reverb amps. I hope to do a few more, but the Bandmaster amp has gotten so expensive! The Bandmaster Reverb, Super Reverb and Virboverb were the same chassis and basic schematic. The output transformer can be changed on a Bandmaster Reverb to a Twin Reverb O.T. That gives a great tight bass response and correct impedance matching for 2-6L6GC tubes to an 8 ohm speaker.

Anybody that has an original has a fine amp! A real keeper for sure.

Jim Sliff
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From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 08 July 2005 03:15 PM     profile     
I just picked up on this thread.

The statement above: "The Vverb reissue has the printed circuit card "

Is dead wrong. I own one of the first of these amps out of the Fender factory, and it is a handwired amp, on eyelet board just like the original was in '64. I should know, I owned one of those as well.

The brown 2x10 was a pcb amp.

FWIW the '64 Custom Vibroverb (Fender does NOT call it a reissue, by the way) is a great steel amp for medium-volume situations, and tremendous when paired with something like a Pro Reverb. Then you've got 80-100 watts of TUBE power from 1x15 and 2x12's. THAT will get your attention in a hurry.

Dave Mudgett
Member

From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 08 July 2005 08:33 PM     profile     
Actually, IMO, the '63 brown-tolex 2x10" configuration is much more valuable. Here is what the 2005 Vintage Guitar Price Guide says for clean unmodified examples in excellent condition:

1963 Brown Tolex 2x10" Low: 5000 High 6000
1964 Black Tolex 1x15" Low: 2500 High 4000

Guitar players and collectors, who form the primary market for vintage amps, find the 2x10" configuration more useful. The brown tolex circuit was different also. Truly one of the holy grails of tube amps. The black tolex version is also highly prized, especially by steel players and some guitar and harp players. But statistically speaking, most guitar players shun very clean-sounding amps with 15" speakers.

I believe that the brown tolex 2x10" Vibroverb made in the 90s was called the 63 Vibroverb Reissue, which was wired on a PC board, as Bill H. says. Very good amp, but doesn't sound the same as an original, IMO.

Jim Sliff
Member

From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 09 July 2005 08:23 AM     profile     
Dave, Bill mentions the Cesar Diaz mods - those are only on the blackface '64 Vibroverb Custom, not the brown reissue.

Brown reissue - 2x10, printed circuit board

'64 blackface "reissue" - 1x15, hand wired.

Yes, the 2x10 originals are rarer than hen's teeth, but actually the early Vibrolux Reverb is somewhat close. Different trem circuitry, though. And of the two original Vibroverbs, I prefer the blackface - it's got a huge tone, unlike anything else Fender put out.

chuck lemasters
Member

From: Jacksonburg, WV ,

posted 09 July 2005 08:38 AM     profile     
At one time I owned a black VibroVerb in the two-ten configuration. Black barrel knobs on a black face plate, brown rear panel,silver grill cloth, and covered in an odd textured black tolex. The "experts" all insisted it was a recover, a fake, whatever. As the tolex was rough, I figured, "What the heck, if it had been recovered, I might as well recover it so it looks better". When I pulled the screen out of the top panel to get the remaining old tolex off, I found that the only staple holes were from those that I had pulled, indicating the covering was original. This amp sounded much different from the typical blackface Fenders, a very soft and warm tone, and a very hi-fi sounding reverb, not nearly as loud as a forty watt blackface amp, even with new tubes and caps. I assume it was a transitional amp between the brown and black Vibroverb. As with my other old Fenders, I wish I had kept it.
chuck
Jim Sliff
Member

From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 09 July 2005 11:59 AM     profile     
Chuck - I've heard of ONE other like that, and I'll bet it was original.

Don't even think about what a collector would pay for it. You'd just cry.

;-)

Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 09 July 2005 04:55 PM     profile     
Fab for straight guitar, great steel studio amp, but not nearly enough clean headroom for serious gigging w/C6th!

A B/F Twin Reverb, with twice the wattage is about bare minimum for me to gig with.

Oh yeah, it's certainly not worth 2 G's, either.

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 09 July 2005 05:09 PM     profile     
I have a silver-face Pro Reverb (60 watts) I put a 15" speaker in to sort of make a clean silver-face Vibroverb. But it is as big, and almost as heavy (60 lbs) as a Twin, so for steel you might as well have a Twin or Vibrosonic. For something smaller and lighter for acoustic jams and the studio, I plan to get a silver-face Vibrolux (40 watts), and put the chassis in a small custom cabinet with a 15" speaker. It would weigh about 45 lbs, and probably blow away a NV 112.
Jim Sliff
Member

From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 09 July 2005 07:16 PM     profile     
"Oh yeah, it's certainly not worth 2 G's, either"

I disagree. The only other sources for hand-wired amps are boutique makers who will charge that or more. "Worth" depends on your view of "value". I'd rather pay $2k for an amp that'll last 40 years than half that for a reissue throwaway that'll last 5 or 6.

And with the right speaker, right tubes and biased slightly on the cold side it's surprising how much headroom the amp has. Stick a D-140 in there, Sylvania STR387's, bias it at roughly 25ma and you'll have enough headroom to make your eyes bleed. It'll work great for clubs - certainly not for an outdoors, unmiked gig though.

As I mentioned before, a nice combination rather than a Twin is a BF Vibroverb and a SF Pro Reverb. 80-100 watts of tube power into a 15 and 2 12's. Plenty of headroom and far superior tonally to SS stuff, unless you like icepick treble.

Dave Mudgett
Member

From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 09 July 2005 10:21 PM     profile     
Let me chime in and remark that I have never lost money on a good old Fender amp. They have been steadily appreciating for 20 years now. They're worth exactly what someone will pay for them, and they ain't makin' any more of these.

Whether or not the BF Vibroverb has enough headroom for steel depends entirely on the venue, and how loud the band is. I could use one of these for most club gigs I play. We just don't play all that loud. The club owners around here would fire us if we played at obnoxious levels. My small Fender guitar/steel amp is a tweaked-out blackface Deluxe Reverb with an EV SRO 12" speaker. That is only good for a pretty quiet steel gig, but man, it sounds good for that.

But of course a Twin or Dual Showman Reverb also sound great, and one can pick up a nice Ultralinear Silverface Twin Reverb for $500-600, around here anyway. And I keep seeing inexpensive Super Twins. As I said earlier, most guitar players shun clean, loud amps - that's great, all the more for us steel players.

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 09 July 2005 10:40 PM     profile     
What Dave M. said.
George Redmon
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From:

posted 10 July 2005 12:04 AM     profile     
Dave M, did you get that little Deluxe from Scotty's by any chance? and did it have a "Black Grille Cloth on it when you got it? if it did..that was my old amp. I put the SRO in it...it was pletty loud for medium gigs.....

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Dave Mudgett
Member

From: Central Pennsylvania, USA

posted 10 July 2005 10:27 AM     profile     
George, no - I bought that amp many years ago from a well-known player in Nashville. It had the original speaker in it, which has been tucked away for the last 14 or 15 years - I'd have blown it for sure. That amp was my main rig in blues and rockabillity bands for a long time. The SROs came from an old Kustom roll and tuck 2x12" amp that I picked up about 10 years ago. I did the switcheroo and sold the Kustom with some modern speakers in it.

I don't think there are many guitar gigs I couldn't cut with that Deluxe - perhaps a real loud outdoor gig with no amp mics. But I can't remember a loud gig indoors where I couldn't mic the amp. On the other hand, to get the clarity I want for steel, it can't be very loud, especially if I'm using the universal. I sometimes play with mic'd acoustic players, and it's a nice rig for that.

Donny Hinson
Member

From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.

posted 10 July 2005 11:53 AM     profile     
Jim, I wasn't arguing that someone wouldn't pay over two grand for the amp, but that for the same two grand, you could get something far more suitable for pedal steel work. If the price of something becomes inflated because someone famous used it, I just don't buy it.

Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, when someone buys the same gear a famous person used, thinking they will get that same "famous sound", they're rudely disappointed.

Barnum was right.

Jim Sliff
Member

From: Hermosa Beach California, USA

posted 10 July 2005 01:38 PM     profile     
No argument, and the used prices of originals are silly. The new ones, however, are just a great hand-wired amp. You say they aren't comparably suitable for pedal steel to other things at the same price level - true enough if you want tons of headroom and rip-your-head-off treble. But there are some of us who don't play Nashville country who would find this amp to be much BETTER for psg. BTW, $2k is the list price - they go for quite a bit less, and you'll still have trouble matching that price in a new hand-wired tube amp.

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