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Topic: Lloyd Green /Maness Amp on Byrds recordings
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Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 31 May 2005 10:59 PM
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Does anybody know what amplifier Lloyd Green used in 1968 for the Bryds "Sweetheart of the Rodeo" album? Jaydee Maness also played on the album, and maybe they used the same kind of amp? If anyone knows this info, and any other gear facts from these sessions (Reverbs, etc.), I'd be really excited to hear it. It's my main album for learning solid country-rock pedal steel licks. |
Lefty
Member From: Grayson, Ga.
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posted 01 June 2005 04:59 AM
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I believe he was using a blackface twin reverb during that period, but some of the "Greenheads" on the forum will know more, probably the serial number.
I am not sure about J.D. J.D. did an interesting post about the session a while back if you can find it. Went into the songs, but I don't remember anything being said about the equipment.
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Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 01 June 2005 06:12 AM
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from an earlier thread
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum15/HTML/008121.html
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I recorded 2 albums for L.D. during 1967 and 1968, "The Hit Sounds" and "Day For Decision". In 1969, after I had recorded 3 albums for Chart/RCA Little Darlin' released a 3rd album on me comprised of demos, out-takes, alternate takes and one or two tunes not previously recorded. This one is entitled, "Green Country".
In those days I was playing my first Sho-Bud built in early 1965. It had a pearl inlay heart in the center of the front. My amp at that time was a Fender Black Face Deluxe with 1 D-120F JBL speaker. I switched to a Fender Twin with 1 15" D-130F after June, 1968 when we cut the "Live at Panther Hall" where they had waiting for me the best Fender Twin I ever played through. It still had the "new" price tag on it from the Dallas music store from where it was rented for the occasion. I looked in the back and there were two D-120F 12" orange seal speakers. The price tag I can steel see in minds eye was......$575.00!
 Lloyd with a '68 Twin Reverb (note Aluminum Trim 'round the grille) with a JBL 15"... this is likely to be the amp he talks about above. Depending on the dates the Byrds sessions were recorded it was either the Deluxe or the Twin |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 01 June 2005 03:13 PM
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Thanks for the info! The album in question was recorded in April-May 1968 so it's more than likely the Deluxe, which doesn't surprise me. I used a 1964 Blackface Deluxe for a string of gigs last year and it was very sweet, albeit not very powerful. Very cool tidbits........cheers. |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
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posted 01 June 2005 03:27 PM
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I heard somewhere that JD used a Deluxe on his cuts, too. Can't remember who or where I heard it from, though. |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 01 June 2005 05:05 PM
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This just in for you fellas from Lloyd.
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Since this has some historical merit would you tell Chris LeDrew and Dave Van Allen that I did use my blackface Fender Deluxe/w 12'' JBL on all of my "Sweetheart" cuts except the two tunes we cut in Los Angeles, "One Hundred Years From Now" and "All I Have Are Memories".
On those two songs I used a Fender Twin with stock speakers that was in Columbia Studios out there.
While I would never speak for J.D. one can assume he probably used the same amp in L.A. that I used, since that's where the tracks on which he played were cut. At least, to my ears, it sounds like a Fender Twin.
Lloyd G.
Thank you Lloyd Green for always making the Historical events you were apart of; becoming facts and true to the wondering minds.
Ricky |
Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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posted 01 June 2005 06:45 PM
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Thank you Maestro, and thank you Ricky Davis.I Love this place...  |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 02 June 2005 08:15 PM
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It was very nice of Lloyd to pass along the info. I've been playing steel now for 4 years, and the "Sweetheart" stuff was basically all I had as a reference point back then for how the steel should sound. I'm pretty isolated when it comes to steel in my part of the world. There's only 5 or 6 players in the whole province. Up until recently I didn't know the names of more than 5 pro players. The only reason I knew Lloyd's name was because he is credited on the CD. I'm so glad it was Lloyd I stumbed upon first.
"One Hundred Years From Now" is for me the quintessential steel sound.....now I know why I loved that Deluxe sound so much when I used one live.
I really love this forum as well.
Thanks, Lloyd! |
James Morehead
Member From: Durant, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 02 June 2005 09:06 PM
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Ok, ya got me goin' now. I too, love the sound of the "Sweethearts" album! I'm heading toward my son's '64 Blackface Deluxe to give it a try. I will install my K-120 JBL and plug in my '70 S-10 Shobud, then my '69 professional 'bud and give it a try. I am only missing one key ingredient---to play like Mr. Green does! I keep sounding like me!!  (Back to the wood shed!)HA! Thankyou for sharing such fine information, you have many fans, Mr. Green, and I am one! |
Chris LeDrew
Member From: Newfoundland, Canada
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posted 03 June 2005 08:33 AM
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I made a little mistake....Lloyd used the Twin on "Hundred Years From Now". I was raving about the Deluxe tone on that one. Still, the Deluxe shines on "Ain't Goin' Nowhere" and all that. Sounds more honky to me, more mid-range. The twin seems to have more high-end. Either way, Mr. Green could have plugged into a 10 watt Silvertone and got what he wanted...ha-ha!
"The Christian Life" has some to-die-for licks. |
Lefty
Member From: Grayson, Ga.
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posted 05 June 2005 05:11 AM
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I believe that album almost by itself launched the "Country Rock" movement. Many people hate that term.
I was in high school, and working summers at a golf course repairing golf carts. We had one golfer who was a record promo man. He gave me a copy of "Sweetheart of the Rodeo". Being an early Byrds fan I was shocked by the content at first.
Wasn't really played on the radio here.
Later that year a friend and I saw the Byrds live with the Fillimore 69 album lineup. A great concert, one of the best I ever saw.
Lefty
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