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Topic: tuner hookup
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rpetersen
Member From: Tipton, Iowa
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posted 05 June 2005 06:00 AM
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Is there any reason that installing another outlet on your steel and wiring it parallel to the existing outlet and plug your tuner into it wouldn't work? - you would not be going through the tuner with your signal and could also tune in silence as the signal is before the volume pedal. (Other than drilling another hole in the steel!)------------------
Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
Mullen Universal 12 - 1975 Session 400 - Nashville 1000 - Nashville 112
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Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 05 June 2005 06:19 AM
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As long as the tuner is turned off, I believe that what you describe should be fine. I know that when I turn on my Korg CA 20 it totally destroys the guitar signal if it is either in line or in parallel (such as coming out of output #2 in a Goodrich 120 pedal.) But as you suggest, if you plug it pre-pedal for silent tuning and turn it off while playing, I think it's a good idea. |
David Nugent
Member From: Gum Spring, Va.
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posted 05 June 2005 06:38 AM
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Ron,
I believe I may have posted this suggestion before, but this is my solution to the problem. If you are using a Goodrich 120 or any other volume pedal with two output jacks this may help. If you examine the inside of your pedal you will notice that one output jack has the wires running directly from the volume pot and the second jack is connected to the first by a jumper wire. By disconnecting this jumper wire from the first jack and soldering it directly to the input jack you can then run your tuner out and it is removed completely from the guitar's signal path, thus enabling you to tune with volume pedal backed off. Hope you find this suggestion helpful. |
Bob Leaman
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posted 05 June 2005 06:44 AM
For those with Peavey amplifiers that have patach out and in, the solution is trivial. Plug the tuner into an unused patch out and there is no effect on tone whether the tuner is turned on or not. Any tone settings cannot affect the tuner since it responds to fundamentals. In addition, the increased gain helps the tuner's phase lock loop to find the correct signal.Ron, Make a note of the master gain on the amp and turn it to zero when you want to tune.[This message was edited by Bob Leaman on 07 June 2005 at 03:44 PM.] |
rpetersen
Member From: Tipton, Iowa
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posted 05 June 2005 06:57 AM
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Great thoughts - Bob - I am trying to do this with no sounds coming from the amp - That wouldn't work with your suggestion, would it? ------------------
Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
Mullen Universal 12 - 1975 Session 400 - Nashville 1000 - Nashville 112
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Scott Appleton
Member From: Half Moon Bay, California, USA
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posted 05 June 2005 07:37 AM
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The problem with going direct from the guitar is it can load down the sound. now if you install a small switch and wire it single pole double throw you can
switch the output of your PU's to the tuner or on to
whatever you have next. this way you have exactly what you want and no sound coming out of your amp. the second way is to have a floor switch A/B
box that essentialy does the same thing.------------------
Mullen S12 Almost Mooney
71 Tele, Regal 45
Sho Bud S10 NP
Line 6 Flextone 3 + JBL D130, Acoustic 100 W all tube, Nash 112
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Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 05 June 2005 07:52 AM
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http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum17/HTML/002251.html Indeed, this may be the ticket. I made one of these, very similar, direct plug-in to the guitar output. But I used Radio Shack parts and it didn't hold up well at all. I think Jerry will have some success with this unit if he can bring it in at a good price. |
rpetersen
Member From: Tipton, Iowa
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posted 05 June 2005 07:57 AM
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Scott - Do you think that would be a problem if the tuner was turned off while you were playing?------------------
Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
Mullen Universal 12 - 1975 Session 400 - Nashville 1000 - Nashville 112
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Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 06 June 2005 08:33 PM
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MY SOLUTION: A Y CABLE,, PLUG INTO GUITAR, PLUG TINER IN, MAY NEED SHORT PATCH CABLE, PLUG AMP CORD IN.. TUNER 'ON' VOL. PEDAL 'OFF' TUNER 'OFF ' VOL PEDAL 'ON '.
THIS SET UP WORKS GREAT WITH MY PETERSON TUNER AND PROFEX 2 AND NV1000.. NO DETERIOATION OF GUITAR SIGNAL WITH THIS SET UP.. TONE IS NOT AFFECTED............JENNINGS PK;;;;;;;;;;;;------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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Tim Harr
Member From: East Peoria, Illinois
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posted 06 June 2005 11:32 PM
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I play a Carter D-10. It stays in tune after it is tuned once after I set it up. I only have to tweak the changer after a restringing. I have checked it in the middle of the set and it stays put.I rarely need to retune it more than twice on a 4 hour gig...no need to run the tuner in line |
John Daugherty
Member From: Rolla, Missouri, USA
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posted 07 June 2005 05:44 AM
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Tim, temperature change affects the steel strings. It doesn't matter what guitar you are playing. There are times when I have played where the temperature changes caused tuning problems.
I have a rack case with tuner and effects. I mounted a shielded switch in the rack case to switch to the tuner.
My guitar also stays in tune, but the strings don't like temperature change. |
Tim Harr
Member From: East Peoria, Illinois
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posted 07 June 2005 06:50 AM
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John,Yup the temp can affect it .... That is why I tune it up when I get to the gig... I was speaking generally ... The Carter rarely needs to be retuned enough to the point of going to the trouble of having a special unit to connect the tuner in the signal path...if one does not already have a rack tuner. I too have used a tuner in a rack....a Korg DTR-1000. not a dig on those that connect a tuner in line ..just an observation of my experience with my guitar.. |
rpetersen
Member From: Tipton, Iowa
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posted 07 June 2005 06:54 AM
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Yes Tim, Mine will stay in tune also, just a good as the Carter I once owned - except for the other variables such as age of strings, temperature changes during the job, etc. - I want to have it availble so I can tweak it if neccesary without haveing to plug and unplug cords - to my ear, at my age, it is sometimes hard to hear which string is out, and it is a real bugger playing an out-of-tune steel and tryng to sing 3 part harmony with it!! ------------------
Ron Petersen &
The Keep'n Tyme Band
Mullen Universal 12 - 1975 Session 400 - Nashville 1000 - Nashville 112
[This message was edited by rpetersen on 07 June 2005 at 06:55 AM.] [This message was edited by rpetersen on 07 June 2005 at 06:56 AM.]
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Lee Baucum
Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier
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posted 07 June 2005 07:00 AM
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I bought a cheap splitter from Radio Shack. It is a little black thingy (technical term) with a male plug on one end and two female jacks on the other end. I plug this splitter into the output of my Keith Hilton Digital Sustain Unit. One out goes down to the volume pedal and out to the rack-o-equipment. The other out goes to the tuner. There is absolutely no audible difference in my tone when I do this; HOWEVER, there is a big difference when the splitter is used without the Keith Hilton Digital Sustain Unit. In that case, once the tuner is plugged into the splitter, good tone goes away. The technical guys tell me it's an impedance problem. All I know is, you have to have a buffer amp of some sort to keep the tone good.
(Now would be a good time for a technical person to step in and 'splain all this, again.)Click Here Lee, from South Texas
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Billy Carr
Member From: Seminary, Mississippi USA
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posted 17 June 2005 01:15 PM
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Wonder how a steel guitar with a built in tuner would work? Maybe a small one built into to the frame between the necks with a on/off switch on it. Built into the guitar with the wiring and operated off of a 9-volt battery. On/off switch to operate it. |
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