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Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 16 July 2005 08:36 AM     profile     
I recently bought one of these and have a couple of questions.

When recording track by track (1 or 2 at a time), which method do you use? Dirct or Buss?

I can't seem to get any sound routed to the headphones. I followed the tutorials in the manual and nothing comes out of the phones. When I turn on the unit, I can here the little click that you hear when turning on an amp, so I know the jack is at hooked up. I need to hook the monitor outs to my stereo to see if they work. And before someone asks, yes the fader and trim control for the channel is where they should be. The gain control on the phones out is up. I know sound is reaching the unit from my keyboards because I can see the meters in the display moving like they should. Is there something I am missing that is not in the manual?

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Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 16 July 2005 12:05 PM     profile     
If you have a VF160ex it's a "Fostex", not Tascam.
I have a VF160. I only use direct for recording. That way each input is on it's own "track". If you use bus then everything is routed to the same "track".

There is a headphone volume control, along with the stereo headphone jack. I normally have the master volume control on "0" and that is more than enough volume for outputs and for the Headphones. My headphone volume control is set to approx 3.

Hook Moore
Member

From: South Charleston,West Virginia

posted 16 July 2005 05:11 PM     profile     
And make sure the master fader is up
Hook

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Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 17 July 2005 04:47 AM     profile     
Actually recording DIRECT VS BUS is a 50/50 issue.

Jack is correct in that with direct each track has it's own dedicated INPUT , with BUS you assign the input or inputs to the desired track you want to record on. For example, using 2 mics to record on one channel...or using multiple mics to record to a stereo pair...too many variables here...

I use BUS exclusively when I record alone and
DIRECT when recording multiple Insruments at the same time such as a Drum kit which I may lay on 4 or 5 tracks.

Your headphones out , it appears that one of the Headphone monitor faders or the master fader is not set correctly.

This stuff can be confusing and more often than not manuals are not really clear.

I would read th section on headphone monitoring once again and be certain.

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 18 July 2005 at 04:18 AM.]

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 17 July 2005 07:03 AM     profile     
You're right, it is a Fostex. That's what I get for posting before I had my coffee.

As far as my headphone problem goes, I did have the master fader set to zero and had the phones gain all the up with no sound. Like I stated, I followed the examples in the manual exactly (several times). I was hoping that someone had these same problems and found a solution. Looks like a trip to a repair shop is in order. With less that a minute of recording time on the machine, this doesn't give me much confidence in this unit.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 17 July 2005 07:57 AM     profile     
How about the volume controls (faders) for each channel. If they are all the way down (off) you won't hear anything, either.

I've got to Fostex's, my own VF160 that I've had for two years and an older VF16 (basically the same except no CD burner) that belongs to the club owner where I pick. The VF16 had a hard drive failure (out of warranty) but the VF160 is going strong, and I've done a lot of recording sessions with it including a 3 hour on-site recording.

I'd check and doublecheck as more than likely it's something set wrong - or the headphones are bad.

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 17 July 2005 08:07 AM     profile     
Jack, thanks for your help. The channel faders are set to zero also, as the manual suggests. My headphones work fine. I can plug them into my keyboards, PodXt, and stereo with no problems. This seems like a great unit but without the ability to monitor what's going on is frustrating. I'm going to play a little more with it today. Wish me luck.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

[This message was edited by Richard Sinkler on 17 July 2005 at 09:38 AM.]

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 17 July 2005 09:50 AM     profile     
MOre info:

If you have the manual handy, could someone try the steps on page 32, "Preparing To Record".

I follow each step exactly. I don't see the reason for step 2 where you press the Input Select button and the display is in "Select Input/Track!" mode. It doesn't have you do anything except to verify that channels 9 - 16 are flashing green.

Now, when I get to step 7 where it has you move the sliders for channel 1 (I am plugged into the #1 input) and the Master faders to zero, that's what I do.

Step 8 is where you are told to output sound from your sound source and adjust the trim to where the LED just comes on at the loudest sound output of my sound source (I tried both my Tele and Korg Triton keyboard), and that's what I do. Now on page 32, in the upper right hand corner there is a picture of the display. That is the display I have. BUT, when I play my sound source I get nothing out of the headphones or monitor outputs. I have noticed that I do not get any action on the left and right level meters.

Any ideas??

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

[This message was edited by Richard Sinkler on 17 July 2005 at 09:53 AM.]

Larry Clark
Member

From: Herndon, VA.

posted 17 July 2005 12:02 PM     profile     
I don't have a Fostex machine but try this. Press the record button to put the machine in the "record ready" mode and see if that doesn't link the track to the monitor output. Also I think step 2 mentioned above is to allow you to select which input is assigned to which track. Again, I've got a Yamaha unit not a Fostex but I think some of the functions would be similar. Why don't you do a search at http://www.fostex.com/mercuryboard/
and see what you can find.
Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 17 July 2005 03:09 PM     profile     
When I set up for recording, I select a "new" program. I use the "Direct REC Track" button and select which channels I want for recording - channels 1 to 8 ONLY.

Then I press the "Record" button (only) so I can hear the input and then set the various input channels for whatever level I want using the "Line/Mic" gain controls on each channel. I set the slider volume control on each channel for whatever "monitor" level I want, and the "Master" volume control on about Zero level. I have a separate 6 channel Headphone amp, that is fed fromt he Headphone amp/jack on the VF160. I have the VF160's headphone volume control on about 3, which gives more than enough for the headphone distribution amp. If you are plugging headphones directly in then obviously you would set the headphone volume control for whatever you want.

The key in hearing all the inputs when you want to record is the "Record" button. That has to be pressed so you can hear everything and set the "monitor" levels. If you don't have the "Record" button (only) pushed you won't hear anything - is this your problem? Obviously when you actually start the recording you hold the Record and Play buttons to start the recorder.

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 17 July 2005 08:57 PM     profile     
Jack, I am doing everything you are saying. When I press the record button, it is flashing red (like the manual says it should). The stop button is also lit (orange) and I can find no way to turn it off except to press play or record and play at the same time. But still no movement in the display for the right and left columns and no output to the phones or monitor out jacks.

I tried the Buss recording instructions also with the same results.

I just don't know. I will contact Fostex and see what they say. I will probably end up selling this thing.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 18 July 2005 05:42 PM     profile     
I went to the web site that Larry mentioned, and it looks like others have had the same problem. Looks like they had to send it in for repair.

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Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 19 July 2005 03:02 AM     profile     
Too bad. I know of 3 VF160's in the local area and they are all working OK.

If it's new, many places will let your return the itme within a certain time frame. I know places like Musician's Friend will do that and even pay for the return shipping on new, defective, items.

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 19 July 2005 03:11 AM     profile     
why don't you send it to Jack to check it out ? He certainly is very knowledgable on this unit in many ways...

t

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 19 July 2005 at 03:14 AM.]

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 19 July 2005 06:01 AM     profile     
Tony, I don't want it. If it does have an internal problem I don't have schematics, parts, etc.
Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 20 July 2005 04:30 PM     profile     
Unfortunately, I bought it new from Musicians Friend back in December. I wasn't at the point of trying to record with it at that time. I guess I learned a good lesson. Make sure you try it out soon after you buy it. I will send it to Fostex.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

Tony Prior
Member

From: Charlotte NC

posted 22 July 2005 04:41 AM     profile     
Jack, maybe not to fix it but to at least have an expert ( that would be you ) check it out just to be sure something isn't wacky in the configuration or setup...

It may be to late to send it back but never to late to have someone take a quick look at it for a evaluation...

A few bucks spent for UPS could go a long way here....

it's like bringing it to a friends house to fool with it...except the friend lives 1000 miles away !

just my take..
t

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 22 July 2005 05:10 AM     profile     
Tony, He's better off shipping it to Fostex, especially since it's still in warranty. If it was out of warranty then shipping it to someone that has one to check out would be an option.

As it is now, if he shipped it to someone, they confirmed it was "broke" then it would have to be shipped back to him and then he would still have to ship it to Fostex. It would cost him shipping charges both ways to the person to check out and then shipping charges to send it to Fostex. Sending it directly to Fostex is only one shipping charge.

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 30 July 2005 10:58 AM     profile     
Problem solved. I was going about making a new program all wrong. Of course, the manual doesn't tell you how until some 30 or 40 pages after the example I was following. I assumed that if you delete the sample program that a new program automatically appears (maybe it does, but it doesn't work). If I follow the instructions on page 70 to create a new program, it works fine.

Thanks all for your help.

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Carter D10 9p/10k, NV400

Jack Stoner
Sysop

From: Inverness, Florida

posted 30 July 2005 12:24 PM     profile     
I had a gut feeling there wasn't anything wrong with the recorder.

Thanks for the update

Richard Sinkler
Member

From: Fremont, California

posted 30 July 2005 02:09 PM     profile     
Unfortunately, I have opted to go to computer based recording. I have a new computer coming next week and will be using Cubase SX3. This recorder will be for sale soon.

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