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Topic: E-66 vs. 10-1
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 02 October 2005 08:38 PM
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I just swapped out my E-66 for a 10-1 in my push/pull (E9). So far I really like what I'm hearing. Anyone? By the way, I still prefer my Wallace True Tone 17.5k, but my house hums pretty bad so I'm kind of stuck with a humbucker here. Brad |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 02 October 2005 09:11 PM
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Brad I had a 10-1 on the E9th neck of my MCI and the E66 on the C6th - that was a brilliant combination - I found the 10-1 a little fuller in sound for the E9th which is what I prefer. |
George Mc Lellan
Member From: Duluth, MN USA
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posted 03 October 2005 03:38 AM
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Brad, my Carter D10 came with a E-66 on the E9th neck and 10-1 on C6th. I liked the sound of the 10-1 better than the "brightness" of the E66 so I switched it out for a 10-1 and am very satisfied with that sound.Geo |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 03 October 2005 09:16 AM
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I'm not a humbucking kind of guy ....I'm partial to single coil's, but a while back I had a CLR S-10 that I put a TrueTone on because I LOVE TrueTone pickups ....That was the ONLY time that the TrueTone pickup did NOT flatter a pedal steel that I owned ...I put a 10-1 on it , and WOW , what a tone !!....I would have to say that the 10-1 is probably one of the only humbucking pickups that I like the tone of ....It has a very full tone, without loosing the high's ....That's not easy to do ..The only other humbucking pickup that I can live with is an older Danny Shields Clap Trap pickup....It's one of my favorites on my Sierra ....Anybody lacking "body" to their tone, or the pickups they are using sound a bit on the "thin"side, should give the 10-1's a shot ...They will give you what you're looking for ......Jim |
Mike Ester
Member From: New Braunfels, Texas, USA
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posted 03 October 2005 09:21 AM
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My Carter has a 12-1 pickup, and it is very nice. ------------------
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Morton Kellas
Member From: Chazy, NY, USA 12921
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posted 05 October 2005 08:56 AM
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Hi! Brad: If you like the 10-1 tone, you should check out the George L Eon. It sounds full like the 10-1 but has better mids and highs. The Carter web site has sound files you can listen to. Best wishes. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 05 October 2005 09:14 AM
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Thanks Mort. I did just see that listed on the George L's website. I'd never heard of it before. Sounds interesting...Brad |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 05 October 2005 01:26 PM
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Brad;
I had a 10–1 in my Derby last Sat., however; if you noticed, I had a little fuzzy~sound at the beginning of my set, due to the fact that I mistakenly listened to the advice I read here on the Forum about spacing the Geo.L. only (1)-Quarter below the strings and not checking it out properly through my Amp. before the Super Jam! I managed to clean it up some with my Amp. EQ during the set, but; I put it back ‘Down’ to where it belongs, as soon as my set was finished. I prefer the 10–1 much, over the E-66 that was in the guitar Originally!  ------------------
“Big John” Bechtel
’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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Ron Randall
Member From: Dallas, Texas, USA
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posted 05 October 2005 05:02 PM
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Hi Brad,In my S12U MSA Mill. I found the E66 to be too bright for me. The 12-1 is very nice all around. I like the TT whenever I can use it. Ron |
Michael Barone
Member From: Downingtown, Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 05 October 2005 05:41 PM
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I'm interested in the replies here. A while ago I sought advice on replacing my E-66 (a post some months ago). The TT was recommended and some also recommended the 10-1. I tried the TT, and ended up going back to the E-66. In my case the E-66 has more clarity and better string separation, along with more high-end, which I want, but I still need more high end on strings 1,3,4. After reading James' post, the 10-1 might be worth a try. Should I try the 10-1 next? ------------------
Mike Barone
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Gary Preston
Member From: Columbus, Ohio, USA
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posted 05 October 2005 05:55 PM
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Hi Brad . I to have the 10-1 on my front neck of my Sho~Bud Pro-ll Custom . I talked to the folks at George-L when i was thiking of getting a new pick-up and they said that the 10-1 was made basically for the Sho~Bud guitars sound .Yes i really like mine and i do have mine about a ''Quarter ''height from the strings with no problem . Gary . |
Larry R
Member From: Navasota, Tx.
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posted 07 October 2005 01:19 PM
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Go with the 10-1. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I have several guitars equipted with 10-1's and I like what I hear.
Larry
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John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 07 October 2005 05:08 PM
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I've talked to people today with top~knowledge of steel guitars and I assure you that a ‘minimum’ of ‘(2)’-Quarter's spacing is an important detail to keep in mind when installing Geo.L. P/Us! If it don't work, you can blame me! (But, of course; it won’t do any good!) ------------------
“Big John” Bechtel
’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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Ron Randall
Member From: Dallas, Texas, USA
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posted 07 October 2005 11:35 PM
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Michael
IMHO. I don't think a 10-1 would give you more highs on the high strings. The E66 is the brighter of the pickups being discussed here.
just one man's opinion.
Tweaking the amp a little bit may get you what you are looking for, or adjusting the pickup height on the treble side a bit higher.Good luck
Ron[This message was edited by Ron Randall on 07 October 2005 at 11:37 PM.] |
Loren Morehouse
Member From: Meadowlands, MN USA
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posted 09 October 2005 04:16 PM
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Here we go again!! 10-1 or E-66 or True Tone. Gotta use your own ears as to what you want!! This subject is the same as tuning, amp settings, steel guitar tone in general. I have two guitars both equipped with 10-1 pickups. A Sho~Bud Pro I and an Emmons Lashley LeGrande II. The Sho~Bud still sounds best at 1/16" under the strings. Lowering the pickup makes no change in tone or clearity, only volume. that's why I keep it at 1/16". The Emmons likes a little lower setting. I have that set at 3/32" and sounds great. Every guitar is different. Again, I feel this is just another subject that is endless like politics and religion. Put the sucker where you like it and play it!! Loren.
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Larry Hamilton
Member From: Amarillo, Texas, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 12:46 AM
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Amen Loren!------------------
Keep pickin', Larry |
George Mc Lellan
Member From: Duluth, MN USA
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posted 10 October 2005 03:44 AM
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Hey Mouser, when did you get the Emmons? How did the show go Sept 10th? Geo |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 10 October 2005 05:43 AM
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Thanks for all the tips everyone. I've now got a 10-1 in my push/pull (E9) and I think it sounds great. Easier highs than the E-66. I've got the new EON coming soon on loan for me to check out too. It's supposed to be somewhere in the middle of the two. I think I read that it's based around the E-66 but with different magnet material for bigger lows and smoother highs. I'll give a report after I check it out. I still like the E-66, but the 10-1 really helped tame the extra brightness I was hearing. Finally, I sound exactly like Jimmy Day when I play. Brad |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 10:18 AM
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Brad,
Check out the SS-10 on the George L site .....That looks interesting also ....A
10-1 with bite ? .....Hmmmmm ....Yet another one to try ..... So many pickups, so little money ..... .........JIm |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 10 October 2005 11:33 AM
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The E-66 sounded downright tinny in my Sierra. I had no use for it. I've heard it sound real nice in certain wood guitars, though (Carter & Pedalmaster).
For bright sounds I prefer the Bill Lawrence 710 (or 712). For fuller bottom I like the George L's 10-1 (or 12-1). On my Williams D-12 I have a 712 on the E9th and a 12-1 on the C6th. I have a tone control on the E9th to roll off the highs a bit when I don't want all that "bite".------------------
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Morton Kellas
Member From: Chazy, NY, USA 12921
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posted 11 October 2005 12:06 PM
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I noticed that the George L site description
or their pickups differs from the discription that the Carter site provides. If you listen to the sound files on the Carter site, I think Carter is closer with the description as far as tone goes. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 16 October 2005 03:29 PM
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Well I just played 2 gigs this weekend with a borrowed (thanks Scott) George L's EON pickup in my push/pull. It sounds real good. I guess it's supposed to be a 10-1 with a different metal for the bar in it to make it a big brighter. Kind of sounds like an E-66 to me. Maybe a bit more lush and fat. Real clear and articulate and not too crisp. I may still prefer the 10-1, but I'll know that after I go back and listen again. Both the 10-1 and EON are new to me. Brad Sarno |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 16 October 2005 06:13 PM
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Well, I know I want 10~1’s in my new PSG, even if I have no choice and have to pay extra to get them! And, I'm stickin’ to my preferred height too! (Who said I didn’t have a mind of my own?) ------------------
“Big John” Bechtel
’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
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BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 16 October 2005 08:41 PM
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Paddy and Brad, exactly my combination, E-66 on the C6th, 10-1 on the E-9th.
Perfect for balancing the the two necks in tone brightness.
I have to give the late Gene O'neal credit for this move of 15 years ago.
Bobbe |
Tony Prior
Member From: Charlotte NC
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posted 17 October 2005 02:03 AM
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A Little off topic but well worth it..at least to me..
Gene O'Neal..thanks Bobbie for reminding us of Gene. Probably my first solo MUSIC trip to Nashville in the late 70's I had the great fortune of going up to the Alley and sitting maybe 2 feet from Gene for probably 2 or 3 hours during a weeknight gig. Gene was talking to me the whole time while playing, I don't recall who it was he was with but she was a tiny Blonde Gal with a great voice... Anyway Gene was just sorta talkin Steel to me at the whole time and was just as layed back as anyone could have been. He played his butt of and it is a memory that will never die. Thanks Gene..what an influence... ok..this week I'm swapping the 10:1 and the E66 around ..I'm game.. t[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 17 October 2005 at 02:05 AM.] |
Morton Kellas
Member From: Chazy, NY, USA 12921
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posted 17 October 2005 11:13 AM
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Brad, That is just how I hear the Eon. It sounds like a 10-1 with a cleaner low end, a bit more mids and clean sweet highs. If you prefer a full sounding pickup like the 10-1 but would like cleaner lows, This may work for you. It sound pretty good on my Zum for a humbucker. |
John Bechtel
Member From: Nashville, Tennessee,U.S.A.
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posted 17 October 2005 03:32 PM
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Brad; (inside info.) I think my new Tone~Control attachment, w/.022uf. has the effect of going from the 10–1 to the Eon P/U! Just an idea, possibly worth looking into!------------------
“Big John” Bechtel
’04 SD–10 Black Derby w/3 & 5 & Pad
’65 Re-Issue Fender Twin–Reverb Custom™ 15” Eminence
web site
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 18 October 2005 07:13 AM
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John, I can see why you'd say that. That smaller tone cap is working up in a higher range, up where the pickup differences are. Very interesting. Brad
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Bob Kagy
Member From: Lafayette, CO USA
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posted 18 October 2005 10:35 AM
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John Bechtel, would you be willing to shed more light on your new Tone Control attachment?If I'm reading you right it sounds like something I could use. Thanks,
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