|
Author
|
Topic: New Eminence 15" 4-ohm D-130 clone
|
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
|
posted 05 April 2006 08:14 AM
profile
Eminence has several new speakers, including the Commonwealth 12" and 15" speakers, designed to emulate the JBL D-120 and D-130 but with 225W power capacity.Some of their Patriot and RedCoat series speakers are now available with neodymium magnets. Best prices I have found are through Bernie Timbrook at www.bltsound.com. ------------------
David Spangler |
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
|
posted 05 April 2006 08:31 AM
profile
Looks like the 15" will be an 4 ohm speaker! I buy Eminence wholesale and will see what I can get them for as well.
http://www.usspeaker.com/Commonwealth15-1.htm I have emailed my distributor to see what kind of pricing I can get on minimum of 10 units.
[This message was edited by Ken Fox on 05 April 2006 at 08:35 AM.] |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
|
posted 05 April 2006 01:36 PM
profile
I know that the speaker used in the Steel King is an Eminence that was suppose to mimic a JBL.....You were never able to get it anywhere ....I wonder if Eminence finally released it ???.....Great sounding speaker if this is the same one !!.....Jim[This message was edited by James Quackenbush on 05 April 2006 at 01:36 PM.] |
Jay Ganz
Member From: Out Behind The Barn
|
posted 05 April 2006 02:33 PM
profile
This appears to be almost like the Steel King
speaker, but it says the tone is similar to the
E130 whereas the FSK's speaker is said
to emulate the D130. That speaker is
made by Eminence as well.
[This message was edited by Jay Ganz on 11 April 2006 at 06:31 AM.]
|
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
|
posted 06 April 2006 09:19 AM
profile
Jay,
You are correct , but I would surely like to hear them side by side to see if there is any difference !!.... I'd sure like to see a graph for both speakers ....I'll bet there's not much of a difference if there is any at all ....I'm sure Eminence is not going to rattle Fenders cage on this !!....I'm also sure that Eminence has had a TON of letters from people wanting the Eminence that came in the Steel King, and this is their answer !!.....Good business sence...I have a pair of 12 " Wizards that are G12H30 clonish speakers ....They sounded bad until I broke them in , and once I did WOW did they open up !!....More so than ANY other speaker I have owned ...I can't say enough about the Eminence line ......JIm |
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
|
posted 06 April 2006 02:09 PM
profile
I have the response graphs and Thiele/Small Parameters for both the Steel King speaker and the new Commonwealth. Eminence says there is slight difference; one is Fender's take on the D-130F and the other is Eminence's take on the D-130F. E-mail me and I'll send the data to you. ------------------
David Spangler |
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
|
posted 10 April 2006 12:05 PM
profile
I am trying to get a price today for a dozen shipped from the factory, via my distributor. He is not stocking them, so hopefully I can get them drop shipped here.Anyone interested in one of these, let me know via email at: foxy229@alltel.net |
Joe Alterio
Member From: Fishers, Indiana
|
posted 11 April 2006 09:38 AM
profile
Both the JBL E-130 and K-130 had a 4" aluminum coil, alnico magnet and a range of 50 Hz - 6 kHz. This Eminence has a 4" aluminum coil, but uses a Ferrite magnite and has a range of 50 Hz - 4 kHz. The JBLs are known for their smooth highs....this new speaker's range is quite a bit less on the high end (although, JBL didn't really tell the truth on their specs....from a wattage perspective, they noted their K-130 could handle 125W and the E-130 300W....yeah, right!). So, I wonder if the dynamics are the same aurally? Plus, the natural, smooth highs on the JBLs are partially the result of the Alnico magnet....this speaker uses Ferrite. I'm not sure of the specifics of the speaker used in the Fender Steel King, but I could have sworn it uses an Alnico magnet. I do know it sounds very close to the K-130 I had, and that speaker has been P*U*S*H*E*D H*A*R*D and still sounds great and hasn't blown. So, maybe Eminence has come up with the magic formula for JBL sound and Black Widow power handling and durability. And maybe the Steel King speaker and this one are identical, making my whole dissertation above quite silly, since I think the Steel King's speaker sounds fab. And if they ARE identical, I think I just might have to get one and get the cobwebs off the Session 400 I have....it hasn't sounded the same since that JBL was sent packing (after blowing too many times) and the Black Widow was installed....[This message was edited by Joe Alterio on 11 April 2006 at 09:41 AM.] |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
|
posted 11 April 2006 10:35 AM
profile
David was kind enough to send me the graph's from the Steel King Speaker ( they don't have a model number listed ) and the new "Commonwealth " speaker and they are so close that as I said earlier , I don't think that you would hear the difference ...The Commonwealth looks to be the same speaker frequency wise, but also looks to be a little bit more efficient , so my guess is that if it handles power like the Steel King Speaker does, this is gonna be one heck of a Pedal Steel speaker ....If these graphs are telling the truth, this is really gonna be the speaker that a lot of us JBL fan's have been looking for ...
Ken,
If you get a dozen of these speakers , put me down for at least 2 of them !!... at my HUGE NY discount of course !!...  ....Sincerely, Jim |
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
|
posted 11 April 2006 10:17 PM
profile
Joe, both speakers look the same; cast frame, 109 oz. ceramic magnet, 4" voice coil, aluminum dust cap, etc. So, physically, they are the same but electronically, there must be some minor difference in the voice coil, suspension or the thickness of the cone. I have one of the Steel King speakers and am waiting for my Commonwealth 15 to do a subjective A-B test (musician's hearing syndrome not withstanding). Regarding JBL speakers, I believe that some models were rated at their respective power-handling capacities either in tuned/closed cabinets or 1/2 the power in open-back cabs.------------------
David Spangler |
Rick Johnson
Member From: Wheelwright, Ky USA
|
posted 12 April 2006 05:07 AM
profile
I ordered a Commonwealth this week.
I'll get to hear it the first of next week.
Good things are made in the Commonwealth(KY)
www.rickjohnsoncabs.com |
Daniel Vorp
Member From: Sarver, Pennsylvania, USA
|
posted 12 April 2006 07:23 AM
profile
I have a newer Webb amp with the JBL E-130 8 ohm speaker installed. I'd be very interested to know how this Eminence speaker sounds in a Webb. Any first hand knowledge out there? |
Rex Blevins
Member From: Tulsa, Oklahoma USA
|
posted 12 April 2006 06:09 PM
profile
If it ain't a JBL, it won't SOUND like a JBL....PERIOD !!! |
James Lombard
Member From: Wisconsin, USA
|
posted 12 April 2006 10:39 PM
profile
I second Rex's statement |
Steve Hinson
Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA
|
posted 13 April 2006 06:54 AM
profile
Ken,what's the weight on those clones?------------------
http://home.comcast.net/~steves_garage |
Micky Byrne
Member From: Essex and Gloucestershire England
|
posted 13 April 2006 07:39 AM
profile
Can someone from Eminence tell me the best place in England to get a 15 inch Eminence. I am using an Evans Fet 500 LV with the Eminence eclipse speaker, but the amp is pretty old (1985) and although it sounds brilliant, are you (Eminence) making a speaker that is better than what I have in my anp now? I want a 4 ohm speaker and quite light.Micky Byrne www.mickybyrne.com |
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
|
posted 14 April 2006 03:00 PM
profile
Looks like I can get 10 drop shipped to me. If enough of you are interested I can go ahead with an order. Looks like I can do better than US Speaker pricing, too! Email me for a price. As this is a new item, I can't post a price here, per Forum rules.[This message was edited by Ken Fox on 14 April 2006 at 03:01 PM.]
|
Joe Alterio
Member From: Fishers, Indiana
|
posted 25 April 2006 10:01 AM
profile
Anyone received one and tried it out yet? |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
|
posted 25 April 2006 12:08 PM
profile
Are they making 12" too? Like a D120 (or E120)?
Brad
|
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
|
posted 26 April 2006 07:19 AM
profile
Looks like Musician's Friend is selling them at at a great price, It qualifies for free freight, too. Looks like the best way to go for you guys!15" speaker:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=660066 12" speaker
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=660065 |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
|
posted 26 April 2006 08:40 AM
profile
Micky Byrne
try Eminence UK
------------------
quote:
Steel players do it without fretting
  [This message was edited by basilh on 26 April 2006 at 08:40 AM.]
|
Rick Johnson
Member From: Wheelwright, Ky USA
|
posted 26 April 2006 09:28 AM
profile
I installed my new Commowealth 15"
speaker this weekend, its identical
to the speaker in my Steel King
and it sounds great too.
I noticed it also has a seven year
warranty too.
www.rickjohnsoncabs.com
|
George Macdonald
Member From: Lantzville, BC, Canada
|
posted 26 April 2006 09:59 AM
profile
Not that there is anything wrong with the Blue Marvel, but has anyone tried the new Commonwealth 12" in the Nashville 112? |
Daniel Vorp
Member From: Sarver, Pennsylvania, USA
|
posted 26 April 2006 12:58 PM
profile
Rick, into what amp did you install the speaker? ------------------
MSA Millennium, Williams 400 Series, True Tone PUs, Hilton volume pedal, Webb 6-14E, Peavey 112
|
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
|
posted 26 April 2006 02:36 PM
profile
It would be interesting to hear that 12" Commonwealth in a Nashville 112. The Blue Marvel needs improvement. Its good but could be better.[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 26 April 2006 at 07:38 PM.] |
Joe Alterio
Member From: Fishers, Indiana
|
posted 26 April 2006 05:06 PM
profile
Rick...more info, please Is it truly identical to the speaker Fender is using in the Steel King? Same materials (voice coil, dome, magnet, etc) and specs? Sound exactly alike in your cabs? Thanks! Joe |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
|
posted 26 April 2006 05:34 PM
profile
Does it really sound like a JBL?DZ |
Rick Johnson
Member From: Wheelwright, Ky USA
|
posted 27 April 2006 09:38 AM
profile
I put the Commonwealth into a single
15" cab I built, I'll take some pics
tonight of both speakers so you guys
can see them.
www.rickjohnsoncabs.com   [This message was edited by Rick Johnson on 28 April 2006 at 04:40 AM.] [This message was edited by Rick Johnson on 28 April 2006 at 04:44 AM.]
|
Curt Langston
Member From: ***In the shadows of Tulsa at Bixby, USA***
|
posted 27 April 2006 10:42 AM
profile
quote:
Not that there is anything wrong with the Blue Marvel, but has anyone tried the new Commonwealth 12" in the Nashville 112?
George, you would be going the wrong way. The Blue Marvel is a 4 ohm speaker. The 12" Commonwealth is only available in an 8 ohm version. Of course that would cut your power down on your 112. Plus the Commonwealth is a heavier speaker. I would leave the Blue Marvel in the 112. IMHO. |
Joe Alterio
Member From: Fishers, Indiana
|
posted 27 April 2006 12:04 PM
profile
From Eminence:"The Commonwealth 15 is a new product based on the JBL D130. It is very similar to the Fender design. Fender's speaker is designed to their specifications and can only be purchased in their cabinet. The Commonwealth 15 is completely our effort in matching the JBL D130 tone." |
Daniel Vorp
Member From: Sarver, Pennsylvania, USA
|
posted 03 May 2006 05:08 AM
profile
For that price I ordered one from Musicians Friend and intend to install it in my Webb amp. I'll be going from an 8 ohm E-130 to the 4 ohm Eminence Commonwealth. I'll let you all know my subjective eval once I get it installed. ------------------
MSA Millennium, Williams 400 Series, True Tone PUs, Hilton volume pedal, Webb 6-14E, Fender Steel King |
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
|
posted 04 May 2006 09:32 AM
profile
The commonwealth 12 is 8-ohms
The Commonwealth 15 is 8-ohmsBernie at BLTsound.com has the best price. ------------------
David Spangler |
Ken Fox
Member From: Ray City, GA USA
|
posted 05 May 2006 06:09 AM
profile
The Commonwealth 15" is 4 ohms, not 8 ohms.Specifications: * Nominal Basket Diameter 15”, 381mm
* Nominal Impedance* 4 ohms
* Power Rating** 225W
* Resonance 52Hz
* Usable Frequency Range*** 50Hz-4kHz
* Sensitivity 100.8
* Magnet Weight 109 oz.
* Gap Height 0.29”, 7.2mm
* Voice Coil Diameter 4”, 101.6mm
|
David Spangler
Member From: Kerrville, TX USA
|
posted 06 May 2006 09:07 AM
profile
Oooops, I meant the Commonwealth 15 is 4 ohms. I was trying to make the point that the 12 is 8-ohms and blew it.------------------
David Spangler |
Dave Van Allen
Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
|
posted 15 May 2006 10:30 AM
profile
dunno if anybody answered Steve Hinson's question... about 23 pounds for the 15' |
Dave Zirbel
Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA
|
posted 15 May 2006 04:31 PM
profile
So does it sound close to a JBL?Thanks, Dave |
Steve Hinson
Member From: Hendersonville Tn USA
|
posted 15 May 2006 05:56 PM
profile
Thanks Dave!Ken Fox e-mailed me with an answer soon after my post...take care-Steve------------------
http://home.comcast.net/~steves_garage |
Danny Naccarato
Member From: Ft. Worth, Texas US
|
posted 27 July 2006 02:23 PM
profile
Fixin to put one of these in my Dual Showman REverb. Everyone happy with the 15" ? My DSR has been blowing out a couple of BW's. We'll see |
Gary Steele
Member From: Orient, Ohio, USA
|
posted 27 July 2006 02:37 PM
profile
Is there any of these speakers that sound as good as the OLE D-130's
Gary. |
Kevin Ruddell
Member From: Toledo Ohio USA
|
posted 27 July 2006 04:41 PM
profile
This might be straying from the topic a bit ... but I just got the new 60 watt Eminence 10 inch speaker called the Lil' Buddy . After breaking it in I can't get enough of it . Really sounds good and the graph of it's frequency response diagrammed nicely on the US Speaker web site shows it to have practically no peaks or dips through it's range . I wouldn't mind this in a 2 -10 configuration if they made it in 16 ohm. Made in the good old USA too |
The Steel Guitar Forum
