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BoFrazer Member From: Melbourne, FL |
posted 23 February 2002 09:21 AM
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I just got hold of a live show from 1972 of one of my earliest influences, New Riders of the Purple Sage. First of all, although the mix could account for some of it, I can't believe how PRIMITIVE it sounds. Granted I have some 30 years of listening to compare it with now, but -- geez, what must I have been smoking to even LIKE this stuff? Second, Buddy Cage was a monster back then. If anyone knows whether he still is (or not), I'd like to hear about it. It's still clear to me after all these years why he was one of the reasons I became fascinated with the steel. I imagine he was having a pretty fun partying time touring with these guys, because it couldn't have been the musical quality that made him stay for years. Third, I hope you guys with broadband are aware of how I got this. There's a site called ETREE.ORG that catalogues users of literally thousands of live shows, about 99% of which are perfectly legal and, in fact, condoned by the artists. There's a slew of bands out there that allow taping to the point where the soundman will plug into your DAT recorder from the board. In this respect it's not like Napster. The bad news is there's very little C&W; it's mostly Grateful Dead and Dave Matthews "jam band" kind of stuff. But there's a bunch of bluegrass (complete with b*njo), lots of Jerry Douglas in different configurations... Check it out. My personal list is http://db.etree.org/BoFrazer Oh, and if you don't have broadband, lots of folks will burn you a CD if you send them a SASE and the blank media. (It's about sharing. Yes, aren't we all warm and fuzzy?) Feel free to write me off-line at BoFrazer@cfl.rr.com Peace, |
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Kevin Hatton Member From: Amherst, N.Y. |
posted 23 February 2002 10:13 AM
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Buddy Cage is alive and well and living in lower Manhatten. I spoke to him last month. He regularly plays on Long Island, Connecticut, and New York. When I asked him how long he plans to continue with playing he said, "as long as there are sexually charged women who fall in love with steel players I will be there!" He is one of a kind and I admire him for being a gypsy. |
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Mark van Allen Member From: loganville, Ga. USA |
posted 23 February 2002 10:33 AM
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I'm another one who's always had a bone to pick with Buddy- the very first song I had to learn in my first band was "Lyin' Eyes". Not too bad. But the next one was "Panama Red"- ouch- I've had the joyful priviledge of playing on quite a few dates with Buddy over the last couple of years and he's at the top of his still rowdy game. He's been playing with a number of bands in that "Jam Rock" genre, now mostly I think with the Brooklyn Cowboys. His signature sound and style are all there right up front- catch 'em when you can. He's recently married- there was a great John Arnold interview with him over the last several months in the PSGA newsletter if you can find those. No, Buddy's not outspoken at all... ------------------ |
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Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 23 February 2002 10:39 AM
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quote:Gee... I guess I must be workin' the wrong circuit. All I ever get is overweight guys askin' me about my stinkin' copedant!  |
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Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 23 February 2002 10:46 AM
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Hey Jimbeaux, I resemble that remark!   |
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Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 23 February 2002 10:50 AM
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(Unfortunately, so do I...) |
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Ron Castle Member From: West Hurley,NY |
posted 23 February 2002 03:56 PM
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quote: He's still a monster player.. I'm seeing him tonite at a little club in Rye NY. I've seen him 3 times in the last few years and he is a spectacular player. |
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Gene Jones Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA |
posted 23 February 2002 04:15 PM
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I ordered a Fender 1000 in 1964 and receivced it in 1964....it was exactly as advertised....I don't know what else to say! www.genejones.com (Edited Mar 22: I was just scanning this thread and saw my post here...and I don't know what it means either, unless it was intended for another thread.  )[This message was edited by Gene Jones on 22 March 2002 at 03:54 AM.] |
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Steve Frost Member From: Scarborough,Maine |
posted 24 February 2002 06:18 AM
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Well,Gene that is puzzling .....but that may not be something Buddy Cage could have influenced  |
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Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany |
posted 24 February 2002 03:43 PM
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Iīve gotta hear that recording - Buddy Cage is definitely one of my favorite players and main influences. Heīs got a style and sound that are readily identifiable, something that you canīt say about a lot of the steelers in todayīs commercial country scene... I love his playing on the New Riders stuff, on the one hand itīs still traditional, you can hear that he must have listened a lot to Charleton, mainly - but then itīs also kind of - nasty, I mean, just a little bit, not so much that you could get arrested for it... Itīs terrific, in every tune Buddy says something with the steel, right in your face! Anyway, the first time I heard that, I knew I had to pick up steel myself. I just hope to meet the guy someday. |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 24 February 2002 04:01 PM
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There are a bunch of us baby "Steel" boomers who discovered steel in the 70's whose biggest influences at the time were players like Buddy Cage and Rusty Young. It was the birth of country rock and was the most accessible kind of country-based music to the general public and especially young folks. At the time, groups like NRPS, Poco, Commander Cody, and Linda Ronstadt were in the center of popular/college music and that accounts for a big part of the interest of many of us. |
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Craig Stock Member From: Westfield, NJ USA |
posted 24 February 2002 04:43 PM
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Ditto Jeff, Especially up here in the Northeast, it was the closest to Country that you could find as a kid. the good thing is that it opened the door up to more traditional stuff, thanks in part to Waylon and Willie for that. I met Buddy a few years ago when he was with Stir fried, he was real nice and sounded great, a real innovator. Buddy just played Friday at the Bottom line in NY with Garth Hudson and others, doing "The Music of the Band" ------------------ |
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Michael Johnstone Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA |
posted 24 February 2002 05:28 PM
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Oh yeah! A huge influence on my playing in the early and mid 70s after I heard the live LP "Home,Home on the Road". I saw him play w/NRPS at the Roxy in Hollywood in the mid 70s and was flabbergasted.That aggressive,in your face,slightly out of control - but not really style of playing used to tickle the hell out of me.Those nebulous chromatic runs,high octane chickin pickin and Emmons thru a Marshall rock licks reminded me of vintage Jeff Beck.I wish he'd get out to the west coast more often. -MJ- |
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Joe Henry Member From: Ebersberg, Germany |
posted 25 February 2002 09:00 AM
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Did Buddy really use a Marshall back then? I thought he always had Fender Twins. |
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Michael Johnstone Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA |
posted 25 February 2002 09:28 AM
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Naw - it just sounded like a Marshall. Actually,I think they had custom amplification along the lines of the Greatful Dead's stage rig.Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.And anyhow,how come Buddy Cage hisself ain't on this forum - somebody answer me that...I'm sure he'd add some color. -MJ- |
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Jim Smith Member From: Plano, TX, USA |
posted 25 February 2002 10:17 AM
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As I recall he plugged into the Twins then either miked them or ran a line out to the Marshalls for extra power. |
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BoFrazer Member From: Melbourne, FL |
posted 25 February 2002 10:20 AM
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Yes, I don't know how much censorship goes on in this forum, but if the F-word does not offend you, check out this great interview at http://thecoolgroove.com/cage.html Very candid and illuminating. btw, for all you NRPS fans, I hope you are aware of the "Great Speckled Bird" album with Buddy and Amos Garrett. For my $, his best solos and fills happened in tunes like "Trucker's Cafe", "Smiling Wine"... if you have never heard this stuff, you're in for an eye-opener. Plus Amos Garrett is astounding on the 6-string... |
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Ted Russell Member From: West Trenton, NJ USA |
posted 25 February 2002 10:36 AM
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Buddy has his own website: www.buddycage.net |
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Ron Castle Member From: West Hurley,NY |
posted 25 February 2002 12:46 PM
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Having just seen Buddy play sat nite, I'd say his best solos are just now being created. He played more than half the tunes on C6, which was a real treat. |
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Jon Light Member From: Brooklyn, NY |
posted 25 February 2002 01:09 PM
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Buddy was indeed on the forum 2 or 3 years ago. Some lowlife ran him off by screaming stuff at him about how he sucked from too much drug & drink. One of those moments that makes you proud of your steeling 'community'. Buddy knew there were better things to do than have someone's turds hurled at him. |
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David Rupert Member From: Southwest California |
posted 26 February 2002 12:29 AM
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quote: I didn't know, that some JERK...had ran him off......by such a mean-spirited post. Not to mention...such a totally FALSE statement. Their are some very intelligent people on the forum...& then their are many people w/a IQ of about 60...max.!! For someone to say that Buddy Cage sucks...is just total stupidity & ignorance. IMO...Buddy Cage, is one the greatest, & most-talented...steel players on the planet! As well, as being a great friend of mine. His playing, has not suffered 1%...because of his PAST drug & alcohol abuse. His playing...is as EXCELLENT, as it ever was...& beyond. He's a MONSTER player!! And...he is 100% drug & alcohol free. Has been so, since 1988/89. Anyway, I also attended the show...in Rye, NY...on Sat. w/my good friend & fellow-steeler...Ron Castle. It was an excellent show...& Cage played FANTASTIC!!! ------------------ 1995 Mullen D-10 "Music. Without it, life itself...would be impossible." Peace. www.johnbarnold.com/rupert/index.htm |
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
posted 26 February 2002 04:50 AM
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OK, I too am a Steel Baby boomer ! From the early 70's. Buddy Cage, John Call and Rusty Young were my first influences and thats a good thing. I can still remember listening to and playing along with all 3 players on there records. It was a great time to get "Stolen" ! From there I heard "E" and thats when it became a life form. I do go up to NYC and CT every now and again and I will certainly look up Buddy C at a gig for sure. He's one of the greats. TP |
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Chris Forbes Member From: Beltsville, MD, USA |
posted 26 February 2002 09:42 AM
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Alas, whatever ever happened to "judge not, lest ye be judged"? what a darn shame. I find it repugnant to run down another player because of any reason at all. If someone chooses to do drugs or drink, that is their decision. If it doesn't match my choices in life (I have quit doing drugs, cursing, and smoking) that doesn't make me a better person than they are. If someone isn't as good a player as you, so what? But I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts Buddy Cage could blow the doors off of whoever was trying to run him down. Sorry for the rant, please accept my apologies. Chris |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 26 February 2002 10:09 AM
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One of the things that makes Cage so great is that he virtually invented the country-rock style of playing. The chromatic stuff was just part of it. The bouncy, bubbly style of picking and very clever phrasings with the extensive use of the A pedal weaving in and out of his fills and solos (listen to Panama Red) gave him a signature sound. He was a very hard palm-blocker, similar to Lloyd Green in that respect. His blocked notes would make a "squish" that would rhythmically punctuate his lines. All in all, he is very unique. |
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scott murray Member From: Orange Park, FL |
posted 26 February 2002 03:28 PM
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Other inventors of that bouncy country-rock sound would have to be Ralph Mooney first & foremost, as well as Walter Haynes, Tom Brumley, Jay Dee Maness, Rusty Young and ??? I recently found George Hamilton IV's 'North Country' album from '69, and Buddy is bouncin' all over it with fellow Canadian luminaries Lenny Breau and Bruce Cockburn. The "Manitoba Mafia" George calls 'em. Great stuff! |
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Richard Sinkler Member From: Fremont, California |
posted 26 February 2002 05:04 PM
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D@mn. I wish drugs and alcohol would have had such a detrimental effect on me. Buddy is a true pioneer in the steel guitar world. ------------------ |
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JB Arnold Member From: Longmont,Co,USA |
posted 26 February 2002 09:43 PM
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DJ and I have been on about this here for a long time. By the way, I just got a note from Buddy and he says the mixes for the new Brooklyn Cowboys CD are his best work EVER! That's saying a lot. The new web site for BC is listed below-It's still being built, but you should check it out from time to time. No firm release date for the CD yet, but I'm sure there'll be plenty of word when it comes around. John ------------------ |
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Johan Jansen Member From: Europe |
posted 27 February 2002 06:57 AM
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Just got an nice email and invitation from Buddy. Now I'm shure he's lurking on the forum JJ |
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John De Maille Member From: Merrick,N.Y. U.S.A. |
posted 27 February 2002 11:22 AM
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Yes, I admit to being a "steel baby boomer", and all of the before mentioned steel players influenced me. B.C.'s runs and backup playing were really a joy to listen to. To this day, I still like to use his cromatic run up and down the neck.I don't care if it sounds dated, to some of us. I just simply love to use it. I'm glad I was there at that time learning the steel, and had these great players to influence me, even if just a little bit. My compliments to Buddy Cage, a "Great Steel Player". |
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Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
posted 27 February 2002 11:38 AM
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Just to add my two cents, Buddy's playing has blown me away since the first time I ever heard him, which was with Ian and Sylvia and the Great Speckled Bird. The work he and Amos Garrett did on the Great Speckled Bird album still has me shaking my head in wonder thirty-some years later. He inspired a generation of players with his NRPS work. Absolutely, Buddy is one of the greats. |
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Bill Simmons Member From: Keller, Texas, USA |
posted 27 February 2002 08:58 PM
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I remember sitting with an old Ann Murray record playing Buddy Cage's great playing and turn around on the song, "Break My Mind" That was about 30+ years ago and I still think it is one of the most agressive and progressive style of steel playing. His playing challenged me a a young kid to think outside the standard steel approach to playing the steel. It was great to hear he is doing so well...would love to get an instrumental of his playing! Thanks Buddy for your creative approach. ------------------ |
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David Rupert Member From: Southwest California |
posted 21 March 2002 11:30 PM
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 Bringing this Topic up (& "A word from Buddy Cage himself")...so my Dad, as well as others, can find it easily. Thanks b0b! ------------------ 1995 Mullen D-10 "Music. Without it, life itself...would be impossible." Peace. |
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