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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 29 April 2002 08:00 AM
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I have an opposing view. However, "grandaddy wins", Taste, tone , speed. |
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Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
posted 29 April 2002 08:11 AM
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Yup, my vote's for Pops too I think I understand why and all that, but one thing that bothers me is that playing of the highest caliber is relegated to the basement. ------------------ |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 29 April 2002 09:09 AM
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Hey Jim, I'm in total opposition to what you just said! ------------------ |
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B Cole unregistered |
posted 29 April 2002 09:15 AM
Hey Jim and Jerry I don't know what in he-- your talking about but I'll drink to it anyway. I and I will also drink to ole Grand dad or pops or ios that drink the ole Grand dad oh Hell I'm all flustered now |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 29 April 2002 10:13 AM
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I oppose all the opposing views. I agree with no one. It isn't about how fast you play. ... And it isn't about how slow you play. The best players play in the middle .. somewhere. Yes, somewhere in the middle, somewhere between fast and slow, maybe a little on the fast side, but not too fast, or a little slower, but not too slow ... somewhere in the middle, som.... |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 29 April 2002 11:17 AM
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Moved to "Steel Players" section. |
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Gary Walker Member From: Morro Bay, CA |
posted 29 April 2002 12:11 PM
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A few years ago when having a weekly get together with some aspiring steelers and trying to give them the little benefit of my knowlege, some wanted to learn to play pretty. I told them if they just worked on pretty, that's their limit. I told them to learn to play fast as they can. That way, the slow ballads would come easier. You never want to play at your limit. Keep trying to raise the standard so your comfort level is in the range you normally play. |
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Carl West Member From: La Habra, CA, USA |
posted 29 April 2002 12:38 PM
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I agree with Mr. Seymour. He said it all. They'll never be a better left hand with more style than Jerry Byrd. I prefer pretty to speed although I'd love to have the speed, but I'd rather have execution and tone and I feel Buddy Emmons has that while Jimmy Day had a great way of pumping pedals as he did on so many records. They are all excellent players and there will always be those who stand out in our minds and memories . . . Carl West |
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scott murray Member From: Orange Park, FL |
posted 29 April 2002 01:13 PM
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Most of the fast stuff I've heard PF and TW play, sounds like stuff Emmons did 20+ years prior... And I've never heard anyone play as fast for AS LONG as the Big E. Now how about the fastest rhythm/chord player? Gotta be Curly Chalker! |
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slick Member From: Calhoun Georgia |
posted 29 April 2002 04:24 PM
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After reading all this,im not as concerned about my lack of speed as i was.i still wanna play fast but if i never get there i aint gonna worry about it.someone in this thread said,dont compete with other players and Reece gave me the same advice.I have gone to jam sessions where at least one of the stellers was a speed demon and i really didnt want to play because that intimidated me.From now on ill do my thing and let them do theirs.Thanks to all you guys,i feel alot better about my playing.The forum,what a great place.The Big E.is the man. S---K |
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Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
posted 29 April 2002 06:13 PM
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...Jim, I'm sometimes disposed to be opposed, but not this time...the evolution of the opposable thumb is what led to speed picking's domination by primates...but it also made Bobbe Seymour the Darling of Darwinism that he is today...I give Bobbe two thumbs up... (up what?) |
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Rick Collins Member From: Claremont , CA USA |
posted 29 April 2002 07:02 PM
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I can play most waltzes in 4/4. Does this qualify me as a speed picker?  Rick |
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Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
posted 29 April 2002 08:19 PM
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..10-4.. |
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Frank Estes Member From: Huntsville, AL |
posted 29 April 2002 09:33 PM
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Don't forget Weldon! Check out this cool intro from 1980 Weldon did on the Hemphill album entitled, "Workin'" frankestesmba.com/Weldon1980.MP3 How do you like that? ------------------ |
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Jody Sanders Member From: Magnolia,Texas |
posted 29 April 2002 09:37 PM
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Mike, You are soooo right. See you in Tulsa, Jody. |
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Bobby Boggs Member From: Pendleton SC |
posted 29 April 2002 10:45 PM
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I think Carl Dixon nailed it.Scott Murray I must respectfully disagree.Paul Franklin sounds nothing like Buddy Emmons.I love them both.But Pauls attack, phrasing, etc, is nothing like Buddy Emmons.They both have there own styles. Tommys playing still shows a lot of Emmons influence(Fast and slow playing)I hear a lot of Lloyd Green influnce in Tommy's slow things.However he manages to constantly pull things out of the bag that no one else plays. Tommy is one of my favorite players in world. As for fast playing.I love it if it's done right.I don't care for fast cheap licks.But the guys that play fast with (power) and real meat to there playing still knock me out.What first attracked me to the steel guitar was Buddy Emmons playing Red Wing and Country Boy Bounce.Around 1955.These sessions where done 10 years before I was born.But the playing is still great by todays standards.To my ears speed without power is just mush. [This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 29 April 2002 at 11:24 PM.] |
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Stephen Gambrell Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA |
posted 30 April 2002 06:31 AM
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And Bobby, son, you are Mr. Lightning! Tearin' it up! And Charles said to tell you hello. I've been through this speed thing before. Any musician(as opposed to player!)should have enough technique to play the song, whether it's a dirge, or a breakdown. I'm a bluegrass guitarist, just starting on steel,so I've had my share of speedy moments. I like Mr. Seymour's comments about being able to play fast, and then not doing it! Nobody ever told Miles Davis to play more notes, or Oscar Peterson to slow down! I think there's a lesson in there, somewhere. Just an amateur talkin'. |
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Chuck Campbell Bros Member From: Rochester, NY, USA |
posted 30 April 2002 06:54 AM
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I love speed, but not for just for speed's sake. Speed should allow you to express your feelings. The best way to determine the fastest picker is to do head to head, as the results might be very surprising. I had a head to head with R. Randolph about three years ago to settle once in for all who was faster between us. Single string, mutiple string, skipping strings, two finger & three finger picking. Robert won the 2 & 3 fingerpicking hands down. I've also done head to heads with Dan Tyack & Chris Templeton. They won crossovers & skips. I check out Bobbe almost every year & I'm ready to challenge him on mutiple chord/bass/melody. I don't have a lot a confidence I'll be close, but I'm ready for a match. BTW I've been practicing & I'm ready for re-matches. Finally I've found speed picking to be more technique & illusion. The fun of comparing is finding the secrets of the fastest pickers. |
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Bobby Boggs Member From: Pendleton SC |
posted 30 April 2002 08:17 AM
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Ah Mr Campbell.Gotta love a man who likes to lock horns. Back in the old days country pickers used to do it a lot.Now days it's not politically correct.I miss the old days. --bb |
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retcop88 unregistered |
posted 30 April 2002 08:31 AM
I have always felt the average Speed Pickers are a dime a dozen.Tho it can be and is impressive "off the record" Taste is what makes the difference in maturity.I have been around musicians that have that blow anyone away attitude.My opinion they are better off blowing smoke.Tho Buddy , Paul and TW and a herd of Nashville pickers can play super fast,they only do so when the occasion calls for it, and with TASTE. |
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Glenn Suchan Member From: Austin, Texas |
posted 30 April 2002 08:33 AM
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And now, something completely different: "When it's cotton pickin' time in Texas (chorus) (lyric by Kinky Friedman) Keep on fast pickin'! [This message was edited by Glenn Suchan on 30 April 2002 at 08:36 AM.] |
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Bobby Boggs Member From: Pendleton SC |
posted 30 April 2002 08:54 AM
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Ok I've got mail.Let me say first of all that I love great slow playing as much as the next guy.But I don't like to go to a show and hear a guy play one slow tune after another.I like it when they mix it up.Guys like Buddy,Paul,and Tommy just to name a few.All mix it up.They also play tunes other than just country.They do this because they can.That's what makes them (Super) pickers. To me it takes just as much heart and soul to play good fast riffs as it does slow.We keep talking about expanding the PSG to other fields of music.How ya gone play jazz with out speed.How about Classical? It takes killer speed and discipline to play a lot of the movements even in some of the slower tunes.I like what Mr. Campbell said about using speed to express yourself.I try to do this. Finally I wish I could play fast like Buddy did with Danny Gatton.Then not do it. |
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Jim Cohen Member From: Philadelphia, PA |
posted 30 April 2002 09:32 AM
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OK, I confess, I'm green with envy, and if I could, I would. (But I'd stop every now and then, maybe just for a sip of water...) |
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Jack Shrader Sr Member From: Columbus In. U.S.A. |
posted 30 April 2002 10:05 AM
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Back in the mid 70's I was out at Scotty's and he ran me off A copy of Doug Playing Black Moutain Rag he said that Doug had played it there in the store it is sa fast as it gets Doug sais that it was as fast as he ever played it and said he has never been able to play it that fast and clean again.. if you all want to pay postage and e-mail your Address to me I will send you all a copy. Jack |
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Jimmie Misenheimer Member From: Bloomington, Indiana - U. S. A. |
posted 30 April 2002 06:45 PM
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I'll have to admit to bein' pretty much of a "slug", I guess... but if I COULD do it, then BY GOD I would do it!!! 'cuse me whilst I crawls offen to the corner... Jimmie |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 30 April 2002 08:35 PM
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quote: You can't. At least, you can't in front of real jazz musicians (pianists, guitarists, horns). This whole thread is preposterous. what a waste of cyberspace. But that's just MHO. |
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J. Lynn Davis New Member From: Knoxville, TN, USA |
posted 30 April 2002 09:28 PM
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I agree with Bobbe Seymour. I think a player should be equally talented in all aspects. Not just speed. Tone, touch, cleanliness, attach etc. Most of my favorite players are known for something other than speed. I mentioned Herby's speed and cleanliness because that was the topic. But I love alot of other things about him. His tastfulness would come first, and cleanliness. And absolutely his slow vibrato on e9th. I also consider him a Rolls Royce. That's what I look for in a steel player. When they have equal talent in all aspects of the steel. But speed is a great bonus. |
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Dirk B Member From: Columbia, MO, USA |
posted 01 May 2002 08:53 AM
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I don't know, I think this is a relevant thread. The main point of making music is to put forth something with heart & feeling. But deep down, I think most of us weekend warrior types would like to be able to play FAST when necessary. Part of the "feeling" of a song like Donna Lee, Orange Blossom, or Cherokee is the exhilaration of speed. In some ways it seems to separate the men from the boys. Now, of course that doesn't mean that a person should always play fast just because they can. For example, Danny Gatton played too many notes for me, and his approach to a ballad was the same as his approach to a breakneck rocker -- 64th notes all the way. |
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Bobby Boggs Member From: Pendleton SC |
posted 01 May 2002 09:02 AM
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A good example of the way I like to hear speed used is Tommy White's Ed video.Not the teaching part.Even though he teaches some great licks.But the song he plays at the beginning and end.It's a slow tune.But I love the way he colors it with fast riffs.------bb |
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Johan Jansen Member From: Europe |
posted 01 May 2002 09:06 AM
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About speed and playing great ballads: Let's not forget Billy Phelps! JJ [This message was edited by Johan Jansen on 01 May 2002 at 09:07 AM.] |
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Kenny Dail Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504 |
posted 01 May 2002 09:39 AM
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As Matt Dillon would say, "It is not the fastest gun that wins but the one that shoots the straightest".  ------------------ |
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BobbeSeymour Member From: Hendersonville TN USA |
posted 03 May 2002 09:16 PM
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Wow Kenny, I love that! You didn't say a lot of words, but you said a lot of good meaning! (Just like a steel player should play!) Your old friend, Bobbe |
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Kenny Dail Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504 |
posted 03 May 2002 09:38 PM
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Hi Bobbe. Keep up the good work.  ------------------ |
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Jeff Lampert Member From: queens, new york city |
posted 03 May 2002 10:15 PM
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quote: Uh, well it depends. The fastest gun may not shoot the straightest, but if he hits any part of his targat, then he most likely will win. I understand the philosophical underpinnings to this quote, but it really does't make the point if you take it literally. |
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Kenny Dail Member From: Kinston, N.C. 28504 |
posted 04 May 2002 03:38 PM
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Depends of your point of View...  ------------------ |
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Tony Prior Member From: Charlotte NC |
posted 04 May 2002 04:11 PM
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I drove a 427 'Vette for a while, it was the fastest thing I ever sat in, but then along came this 427 Cobra...Somewhere out there in la la land ( not LA) there may be another Big E, but until then I would stay in the grandaddy club..Speed is relative, just like my own relatives, sometimes I can't leave fast enough to get out of their company ! tp |
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Mike Sweeney Member From: Nashville,TN,USA |
posted 06 May 2002 02:29 PM
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"If speed were everything rabbits would rule the world"...... a statement made by the late Jimmy Day |
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Pat Burns Member From: Branchville, N.J. USA |
posted 06 May 2002 06:30 PM
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quote: ...Jeff, I'm with you...I believe the historically accurate quote was "It is not the fastest gun that wins but the ARRGGGHH!!!..." |
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Robert Rogers Member From: the big town of Petersburg,Tn"Blink and You'll miss it" |
posted 07 May 2002 12:05 PM
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I vote for Donna Hammit(I hope i spelled her last name right).I love to hear her play the orange blossom special. Robert |
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Bob Hayes Member From: Church Hill,Tenn,USA |
posted 07 May 2002 07:00 PM
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Well at the Choo Choo Jam on Friday afternoon...Herby,Doug,Hal,John,and Jr. were lined up....playing Incredibly fast,taking thier licks...one after another ..and not missing a beat...I've also seen some of those star pickers ..with the likes of Paul,Loydd, Tommy,Merick,Stu, and Johnny Cox...Who's to say....the "Buddy's" are no sloches..and Jimmy Day was like greased lightnin'..JD...The incredible Jimmy Crawford.....and the list goes on...All of these GREAT Pickers are also VERY "Tastefull" and down right great guys.... IMHO GV |
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