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Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 04 February 2003 04:00 PM     profile     
Last night I was playing at Galapagos in Brooklyn for an Amnesty International benefit. There were 2 pedalsteel players playing in very different styles with a couple new indie rock bands. The other bands on the bill were way into the steel guitar. Its great to see a packed club on monday night with steel guitar being so featured.

Bob

Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 04 February 2003 04:43 PM     profile     
What the heck is Indy Rock? I havent really heard any good groups from Indiana since that crazy Jackson 5 group.

Seriously though, I have heard more non-country psg in the last year than the garden variety. Im sure most of the folks her would think it was petty lame, but even in droning alt rock, the PSG sounds great.

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S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul


Bill Ford
Member

From: Graniteville SC Aiken

posted 04 February 2003 07:12 PM     profile     
Indy rock,hard rock,country rock,who cares as long as people like what they hear on PSG.
Just don't ask>>>>what kind of keyboard is that?

Bill

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Bill Ford

Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 05 February 2003 03:05 PM     profile     
Bob, who was playing... and you got a regular band on the go, or are you still the hired gun?

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 05 February 2003 03:19 PM     profile     
A guy named Matt was playing with a band called Kay. I was playing with a band called Sulva. Matt did some great stuff and I should be working with the guys again soon.

As far as the hired gun thing goes. I am always a hired sideman in every band I play with. The only time I am not a sideman is when my own band is playing. But we never play because I can't afford myself.

Bob

Ward Williams
Member

From: Dallas, Texas, USA

posted 05 February 2003 07:13 PM     profile     
The pedal steel RULES! In my opinion, it's the greatest instrument of all time. I'm a slide guitar player who recently broke down and bought a pedal steel guitar (something I've wanted to do my whole musical career). Now I don't know if I'll ever play guitar again. Funny thing is, I hate country music. Sorry. Well actually, I should rephrase that. I hate any country music recorded from about 1980 on. But I've always loved the pedal steel guitar, so I have to force myself to sit through some of those horrible songs just to hear the pedal steel guitar. I do appreciate good musicianship, and I realize that many, if not most, of the best musicians are on country recordings. Perhaps that's where all the money is for "players." I've even been sucked down that drain a couple times myself, especialy now that I'm playing pedal steel. I play in a couple of rock bands and even punk band, and I've been incorporating the pedal steel into all of them. People are going nuts over it. Hopefully, I'm on to something here. It would be nice to let the rest of the non-country listening world experience the greatness of the pedal steel guitar. Oh yea, and I really should start charging a dollar to every chick or dude in the audience who asks me what kind of keyboard I'm playing. Then I might start making some REAL money as a musician. Cheers, to all you amazing steelers out there. Keep rockin'.
Martin Abend
Member

From:

posted 06 February 2003 02:33 AM     profile     
I play in a new Band here in Berlin, called theroadtogodknowswhere, and they play all instrumental atmospheric stuff with some tongue-in-cheek 70t's rock influences, a bit like Godspeed You Black Emperor meets LedZep. I myself am amazed how great the pedal-steel fits in... I never plyayed much country, but I never was that far away...

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martin abend Pedal-Steel in Germany
s-10 sierra crown gearless 3 x4 | Regal RD45 | fender hotrod deluxe

Steve Hinson
Member

From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 06 February 2003 05:12 AM     profile     
Bob-don't be using a Tube Screamer...people might think you are one of those hippies...
John Troutman
Member

From: New Haven, CT

posted 06 February 2003 03:44 PM     profile     
hey bob
i'm john, the guy who plays with the mendoza line when they leave the city. there's a great player named bill mccullogh out of austin here that plays in knife in the water, another indie band. i also play with a band in austin called western keys. always wanted to meet you but haven't had the pleasure yet. pete and the rest of the band are always telling me that i need to learn how to play like you!
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 06 February 2003 11:09 PM     profile     
John,
It looks like I might be subbing for you at the Whokilledkenny fest in Ireland. Lets track each other down next chance we get.

The indie rock scene is a funny one. I'm always running into new steel players that are coming up with all sorts of great stuff.

And Steve, Not to worry. The indie rock guys think hippies suck just as much as Cartman does.

Bob

Steve Hinson
Member

From: Hendersonville Tn USA

posted 07 February 2003 04:51 AM     profile     
Bob...who is Cartman?
Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 07 February 2003 06:44 AM     profile     

Cartman

[This message was edited by Bob Hoffnar on 07 February 2003 at 06:46 AM.]

K Maul
Member

From: Round Lk,NY usa

posted 07 February 2003 11:07 AM     profile     
Bob-nice pic of Cartman [my hero].

Speaking of 'country bands' versus the rest of the world: When I am not on the road [I am currently in Atlantic City playing real pedal steel in the play "Always, Patsy Cline" with Misty Rowe and Becky Barta] and am home in the Albany NY area I hire on or sit in with local bands.Most of the 'country' bands here sort of smile sheepishly and move away when you say you play pedal steel.Most wanta stay far away from that twangy steel and fiddle crap.I sit in with a funk band that does P-Funk,James Brown,etc.I sit in with a 70s style Hendrix-Led Zep band and I play with various singer songwriters and other eclectic groups.
I think it's kinda funny...but verrrry sad.

Chris Bauer
Member

From: Nashville, TN USA

posted 07 February 2003 06:53 PM     profile     
I've almost always had a whole lot more fun playing and recording with indie bands. Besides usually liking the music, I've also often felt like I was given a whole lot more room to make up my own style.

And, hey, what fun playing now and then with folks who don't like you usuing a tube screamer but only because they think it sounds too tame!

[This message was edited by Chris Bauer on 07 February 2003 at 06:55 PM.]

Steve Pierce
Member

From: San Rafael, California, USA

posted 08 February 2003 09:37 AM     profile     
Dude, Ward. You Rock!

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Steve Pierce

Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 09 February 2003 06:40 AM     profile     
I once kicked out two German hitch-hikers who insisted that was a hippie, geez.. jes because a fella had long hair.

Bob, you should take a pay cut and try yourself out for a gig.

Bob Hoffnar
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY

posted 09 February 2003 10:32 AM     profile     
Lets start a list of "Indie Rock" bands that use steel:

1.Mendoza Line
2.Japancakes
3.Brite Eyes
4.Kay
5.Calexico
6.The Doodars (available in forum cataloge)
7.Elk City
8.Luke Vibert (Stop the panic cd)

Lets see how many outside the box bands we can come up with !

Bob

Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 09 February 2003 10:47 AM     profile     
I'm sorry; but I'm lost as the question wasn't answered....."what is Indie Rock"??
I don't know what Indie is?? anyone care to explain?
Ricky
Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 09 February 2003 10:59 AM     profile     
"Indie" as in "independent" as in "not on a Major Label" as in "Independently released" as in "not the same ole same ole" or "not necessarily in an easily categorizeable commercial genre"....

something (usually) different than what you hear on the radio, no matter what Clear Channel station you put on...

other definitions may apply

Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 09 February 2003 11:31 AM     profile     
Mercury Rev
Flaming Lips
Sparklehorse
Built to Spill
Beck
Cake(fellow forumite Grg Vincent did some great PSG work w/ em)
Call and Response
Clem Snide
Eels
Frank Black
Gomez
LambChop
Minibar
Super Furry Animals
SuperDrag
The Samples
Varnaline
WEEN

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Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-:
S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul, Korg Triton

[This message was edited by Matt Steindl on 09 February 2003 at 11:33 AM.]

[This message was edited by Matt Steindl on 09 February 2003 at 11:36 AM.]

Ricky Davis
Moderator

From: Spring, Texas USA

posted 09 February 2003 09:06 PM     profile     
Ohhhh I got ya....Indie is short for Independant...yeee haaa.
Ok; well than I've recorded on several of the Rock CD's....and yes it's pretty fun...and of course they always freak out when they hear just what the Steel can do in the NON-country enviroment.
Ricky
Jason Odd
Member

From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

posted 10 February 2003 05:22 AM     profile     
I'm a massive Calexico fan, and Bob's work on the Doodars CD is great, actually that whole CD is quite an interesting project.

For the more space/surf orientated there's Gary Brandin's Vanduras project as well.

Indie is indeed short for independant, while indie rock is more about rock bands that came up through the post punk era on smaller labels that generaly sprung up in the wake of the punk rock D.I.Y. ethic.
Of course the term rock is a pretty loose one.
Some people think Bon Jovi are rock, while some people think Kenny G. is a jazz artists. Some people think Shania Twain is a country act.

The basic formula od indie rock is that the music is a left field version of what the mainstrean is, or it's a lot more experimental and less successful.
The music that is more like mainstrean rock may gain a larger following and success, it may even change the shape of rock.
That is until 20 dozen bands that make a smoother more generic version of said music get signed, which leads to the formation of even more generic bands hoping to cash in on that sound.
For about five years most of the chart bands in the USA, pretty much sounded like a variant of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.

Anyone who follows the charts will have an idea of what I'm using for reference points.

Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 10 February 2003 08:22 AM     profile     
Thanks for speaking so highly of Calexico. I downloaded a few tunes last night and was really blown away. I love the textural stuff that they do. I have always loved Richard Buckner, and never knew of his afiliation w/ Calexico. I am off to Tower to buy a couple of their CD's now(who says file sharing is bad for bands?).

Thanks again for the suggestion!

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Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-:
S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul


Dan Tyack
Member

From: Seattle, WA USA

posted 10 February 2003 10:12 AM     profile     
Severed Head in a Bag

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Chris Bauer
Member

From: Nashville, TN USA

posted 10 February 2003 06:51 PM     profile     
Coupla entries from my odd-ball past...

Russ Tolman (& the Totem Polemen)& Poi Dog Pondering. Did a fun one a year or two ago with Mattie Groves.

Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 10 February 2003 07:52 PM     profile     
Cris, I love Poi Dog Pondering! Did you do any live work w/ them, or just studio?

I always get sad thinking about them, because they had a few brilliant albums, but kinda fell off the map. I know they are still huge in the midwest.

Craig Stock
Member

From: Westfield, NJ USA

posted 10 February 2003 08:19 PM     profile     

Some of the guys from Poi Dog Pondering play in Brian Wilson's Band, and I think they have been working on a new album, if I recall correctly.

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Regards, Craig


Del Rangel
Member

From: Sacramento, CA, USA

posted 10 February 2003 11:17 PM     profile     
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Johan Jansen
Member

From: Europe

posted 11 February 2003 06:10 AM     profile     
quote:
Lets start a list of "Indie Rock" bands that use steel:
1.Mendoza Line
2.Japancakes
3.Brite Eyes
4.Kay
5.Calexico
6.The Doodars (available in forum cataloge)
7.Elk City
8.Luke Vibert (Stop the panic cd)

Lets see how many outside the box bands we can come up with !

Bob



How about 'The Secret Combination?'

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Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 11 February 2003 08:25 AM     profile     
Tandy or the Silos, with multi instrumentalist Drew Glackin on lap steel
Greg Simmons
Member

From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 11 February 2003 09:06 AM     profile     
Mojave 3 has had some nice steel stuff on some of their recordings - not exactly rock though.

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Custodian of the Official Sho~Bud Pedal Steel Guitar Website


[This message was edited by Greg Simmons on 11 February 2003 at 09:06 AM.]

Gerald Menke
Member

From: Brooklyn, NY, USA

posted 11 February 2003 09:34 AM     profile     
Cool thread, I play steel for a number of the bands that Bob doesn't play for here in New York, one of them is Downriver, instrumental ambient music from Brooklyn...just guitar, bass, drums and steel guitar. We're playing with Tandy this Thursday at Southpaw in Park Slope Brooklyn, please come on down if you can and watch me grow a few new gray hairs (they insist on having me sit front and center) I like Greg Liesz, Bruce Kaphan and our very own Bob Hoffnar, hopefully some of their magic will come through in my playing. Would love to see any of you there. We will play at around 10 PM. Southpaw is at 125 5th Ave, just a short walk from the Atlantic Ave train station.

We are as indie as hell, let me tell you. Independent of any record deal, press, giant fan base, money, but not a devotion to music, I'll tell you that.

Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 11 February 2003 10:55 AM     profile     
Paul Lacques in Double Naught Spy Car. Click the picture below.


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Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 11 February 2003 12:22 PM     profile     
00 Spycar!
anyone who names a cut after Lili St Cyr is ok in my book....
Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 11 February 2003 01:53 PM     profile     
OK DVA, enlighten me. Who is Lili St. Cyr? Im guessing either an astro-physicist or a porn star!

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Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-:
S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul


Chris Bauer
Member

From: Nashville, TN USA

posted 11 February 2003 05:15 PM     profile     
Matt,

PDP were/are an interesting bunch. I played on their original EP and then the demos that they used when they got their deal on Columbia. After that, they had me come in to do some overdubs on one of the Columbia albums. I never got to play with them live but always wished I'd been able to.

Their membership was ever-changing and, by the time they moved from Austin to Chicago, I think only one of the original members was in the band. Their lyrics were often a bit slack, it seemed to me, but I always loved the tracks they developed.

Dave Van Allen
Member

From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth

posted 11 February 2003 06:31 PM     profile     
Lili St Cyr was a contemporary of Bettie Page and better known in her day- blonde bombshell Pin-up/Burlesque Queen of the 50's with legs for days....

http://www.vivavavoom.com/girls/lili/main.html

Todd Pertll
Member

From: Austin, Texas, USA

posted 12 February 2003 03:03 PM     profile     
Ward Williams you are the poster child of an element that pedal steel could do without. I know your kind. You are a guitar player who probably had one to many drinks one night and decided to sit behind your buddy's steel that still happened to be on the band stand. After a quick lesson on how to turn a I chord into a IV chord you set out to purchase a student steel. You take a few real lessons, and BOOM, you now consider yourself a "Steel" player. Then you get a membership to the forum, and now all of the sudden you start wasting bandwidth by popping off about how you "hate country music".
Well, let me tell you something chief, there is a lot of history in the steel guitar, and you would be doing yourself a favor to learn a little bit before you start "reinventing the wheel" and taking the steel in what you think are new directions.

Matt Steindl
Member

From: New Orleans, LA, USA

posted 12 February 2003 03:31 PM     profile     
Todd, without personally knowing Ward or you, I have to give you a quote about beginers vs. professionals(or traditionalists)

"Remember, the Titanic was built by professionals and Noah was a beginer when it came to boat building"

I'm not sure many here will agree w/ Ward about "Hating" new country music. But ya gotta admit that your previous statement was just as ballsy and oppinionated.

I'm surprised it took so long for this thread to get nasty!

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Mattman in "The Big Sleazy"-:
S-10 Dekley, Suitcase Fender Rhodes, B-bender Les Paul


Del Rangel
Member

From: Sacramento, CA, USA

posted 12 February 2003 04:32 PM     profile     
We would all do well to remember that steel guitar did not originate with country music as well as be happy about its adoption by anyone interested without getting involved in internecine warfare about its purported proper use. Comments like this are mean and just in poor taste. Instead of encouraging we excoriate. What is wrong with us? Oh yeah, NCS sucks!

[This message was edited by Del Rangel on 12 February 2003 at 04:33 PM.]


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