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Leroy Riggs
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From: High Country, CO

posted 20 March 2003 03:24 PM     profile     
I am just now learning to read music after playing by ear (on the steel) for nearly 18 years. Reading music and applying it to any music instrument is important but let me tell you, I would never willingly give up my ability to play by ear. Being able to play by ear is just as important as reading music and applying it.
Bobby Lee
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From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 20 March 2003 04:22 PM     profile     
quote:
I was reading the stupid Mel Bay book that I bought the other day. I feel ripped off because I can't return the dumb thing. (It's for 10 string with knee levers when I have an 8 with none.)
Melinda, almost all pedal steels made over the past 30 years have at least 10 strings and knee levers. 8 string pedal steels were only produced for a short time, in the mid-20th century when the instrument was in its infancy.

So don't throw away that book! Chances are, your next pedal steel will have 10 strings and knee levers.
chas smith
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From: Encino, CA, USA

posted 20 March 2003 04:40 PM     profile     
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I would never willingly give up my ability to play by ear. Being able to play by ear is just as important as reading music and applying it.
I had no idea that they were mutually exclusive. I always thought that being able to read added to one's skill of being able to 'play by ear', in fact, it's been my experience that every time I learned something new, that I didn't automatically forget or unlearn something I already knew. Although I would like to free-up some memory by forgetting elementary school and junior high.

I was at a session recently where we had to double a melody line that was uptempo and went through chord changes beyond 1,4,5. The guitar player was able to write it out after hearing it 3 times. He can not only play it by ear, but he can sight read it and in fact he can look at the music and know what it sounds like before playing it, so these skills are not mutually exclusive, they are in fact cumulative.

C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 20 March 2003 05:05 PM     profile     
There are great musicians who read music only. There are great musicians who play by ear only. But the greatest are those that can read music AND play by ear.

carl

Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 21 March 2003 06:23 AM     profile     
There's SERIOUS WISDOM in that statement, Carl.

I have been involved with about a half dozen productions of a Broadway musical involving a certain bawdy house in the Lone Star State. We have used both fiddle players, most of whom wouldn't know a crescendo from a box of Cracker Jacks, and violinists who couldn't find an ad lib solo with both hands but who sightread like there's no tomorrow.

The fiddlers struggle with the parts that require faithful reproduction of the notes on the page (and usually just play off the top of their heads and hope for the best) and really shine on any ad lib parts AND on the traditional warm up tune OBS.

The violinists breeze right through everything, UNTIL it comes time to improvise. One example was the Concertmaster of the Kalamazoo Symphony at the time(yeah, I know, it ain't the Philharmonic, but it's the best we have), a very well respected player and music professor with the doctorate to prove it. TONE TO THE BONE (on violin, at any rate), but very little soul to be found anywhere. I nearly rolled on the floor when I first heard his version of OBS. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO MIX THE TWO DISCIPLINES.

That's not to say that a great improvisor will spoil his/her playing by learning to read. In the jazz world, both go hand in hand very well, and most don't get far with high level jazz improvisation without learning to read proficiently.

By the same token, a great classical player who begins improvising late in his/her career has to work VERY hard (in most cases) to avoid having their ad lib solos sound like finger exercise and scale etudes. The technique is wonderful (maybe TOO wonderful if fiddle is what you're after) but the soul ain't there.

Melinda: since you are classically trained, I would be curious to hear your approach to making fiddle sound like it should without damaging your viola chops.

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2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 21 March 2003 at 06:26 AM.]

Rex Thomas
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From: Thompson's Station, TN

posted 21 March 2003 07:11 AM     profile     
Earnest!! LOL!!!
I wasn't expecting the good laugh!
Earnest is right though, reading is a good thing.
I wonder if Freddie's part looked like that.
David L. Donald
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From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

posted 21 March 2003 03:09 PM     profile     
The bestkind of violinist is the cat;
who started with proper classical training, but also had country and jazz in the family.

They got down the good reading chops, but they are not locked into a box.

I play with one like that tommorrow night.

I put a TOUGH chart in front of him and he reads it down with feeling. Throw out a chord from Mars at him in a jam and he just grabs it and runs.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 22 March 2003 at 02:11 AM.]


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