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Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA |
![]() Can someone give me some info in the late and fabulous Nashville guitarist Phil Baugh. I would like to know something about the pedal/cable set up he used for standard electric guitar. How did this work and what kind of pulls did he have set up. He and Emmons sure had a nice live backup band on several TV shows. |
Mac Bellingrath Member From: Pine Bluff, Arkansas, USA |
![]() I suggest you contact Reece Anderson. I am pretty sure the rig that Phil used was built by MSA. ------------------ |
Jerry Roller Member From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA |
![]() Phil and Buddy together were magic. |
George Kimery Member From: Limestone, TN, USA |
![]() Mac may be correct. I heard that Joe Kline, that built Kline Steel's built it. But, it was 2nd or 3rd hand information, so it may not be true. If it turns out that MSA did not do it, then try Joe Kline. |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() Bill; Phil's guitar's were set up as follows: Each string had a pedal. Strings 1-E, 2-B, 3-G, 4-D, 5-A were each raised a whole tone. String 6-E was lowered two and a half tones, (from E to B.) Pedal one was for the small E and so on. He ran the pedals with his left foot and the volume pedal with his right. (I re-scanned the image that was here. It's down the page.) I played the guitar in the picture above at Phil's Sound Factory office in Nashville in '82. This one is a Peavey T-60, but the first one I saw that had pedals was either a Music Man or a G&L. He played it when the Nashville Superpickers were on Austin City Limits, (below). Sadly Phil passed away on November 4, 1990. He was 53 years old. ------------------ [This message was edited by Ernie Renn on 24 September 2003 at 09:00 AM.] |
Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA |
![]() GREAT INFO!!! Thanks. Looks like an old Bigsby vol. pedal there. I have also seen a pic of Baugh using a beautiful Gibson L5S solidbody guitar. Sure would like to see how the connector/assembly at the bridge of the guitar worked. |
Wade Medlock Member From: Clarkston, GA USA |
![]() This is great stuff. Did Phil do any solo albums? If not, what would you suggest as the best showcases of Phil Baugh's work? |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() Bill; It was a Fender swivel top volume pedal. Phil had it wired so he could go between the straight guitar sound and the Korg Guitar Synth by swiveling to top of the pedal. The pedals were done with cables, similar to brakes on a bicycle. I don't recall how they were connected to the strings. For a time there was talk of Peavey producing a Phil Baugh signature model pedal guitar. At the time the Sound Factory was doing two TV shows, "That Nashville Music" and WTBS's "Nashville Alive!" with host Ralph Emery, (I believe the show eventually turned into "Nashville Now" on the Nashville Network.) Both shows were cancelled and interest in making the guitar without the national weekly promotion faded. I'll see if I can find a couple more pictures... ------------------ |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() This is my tribute to Phil Baugh Uncle Phil The Echoplex stuff and pedal bends he and Buddy tossed back and forth made some of the most entertaining music I've ever heard. I'm 53 this year, myself. And I miss Uncle Phil. Incicentally, I've exchanged EMails with his daughter Tiffany who lives in Texas. ------------------ |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() Bill; It was a Bigsby pedal. I looked and found a couple more pictures, including one where I could see the name on the pedal. All I really remembered was the swivel. One a little closer: The "Pak-a-couch": Larry, could you please send my e-mail address to Tiffany. Thanks! BTW: I heard your tune just yesterday. Another coincidence? Hmmm... (Ironically, I've called him Uncle Phil since 82.) ------------------ [This message was edited by Ernie Renn on 24 September 2003 at 09:27 PM.] |
Tom Kaufman Member From: Denton, Maryland, USA |
![]() I happen to have an old album by Phil Baugh; I don't know if it's still in print. But the title of it is "Country Guitar." One of the cuts he does that I just love is a thing called "Live Wire." Another is called, "The Finger." And then, there's the title cut, "Country Guitar", wherre Phil does some nice impersonations of some of the guitar greats like Billy Byrd, Merle Travis, Hank Garland and Chet atkins. If you can find this album, it's a fine showcaseing of what Phil Baugh was doing when he was about 28 years old. I think that it is on the "longhorn" label; will have to double check on that one. He sure was a fine picker! |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() Ernie, Done. ![]() ------------------ |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() Thanks, Larry! "Uncle Phil" is a really cool tune! Are you playing guitar and steel? (I do that, too...) ------------------ |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() I do play both on some tunes on my CD, but not on that tune. Guitar player is my best musical friend Jeff DeHollander. He lives in Orlando, FL. Incredible musician. I WISH I could have played that solo. Phil woulda loved it. ![]() You should hear from 'Cousin Tiff' soon. I just got a response from her. She's a sweetie. ------------------ |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() She already mailed. ![]() ------------------ |
Bill Hatcher Member From: Atlanta Ga. USA |
![]() Earnie. Looking at the bridge on the guitar, is that a vibrato handle on that thing!? Looks like all the pull assembly is on top of a Fender jazzmaster vibrato assembly. I also have the Phil Baugh LP in my collection. I used to enjoy so much seeing him and Emmons on the live shows from N'ville. BIG sound. |
Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
![]() Sometime in the late 60's while Phil was living in Dallas he and Maurice Anderson came to Blackie Taylor's music store which was in Hawaiian Gardens, California at the time. I was lucky enough to be there that day and got to run the drum machine for them and do a few on bass. As I recall, Buddy Emmons came by and played some bass too as he was in Calif. at this time. The unit was indeed built by MSA and I think Phil had it on a Les Paul Gibson for this thing if I remember right. The good thing about this unit is the vibrato arm. On Parsons/White, Bigsby Palm pedals, Hipshot units, etc. you can't have a vibrato tailpiece too so this unit was really cool. Phil could do some cool stuff with that E string lower to B. One of the things I liked to hear him play with this unit was Shadow of your Smile. He really nailed that one. By the way, Phil's the man who did all the lead work on Haggard stuff like Strangers, and the Bottle let me down too if I remember right. Can you imagine the scenario, Maurice Anderson on steel, Phil on Guitar, and Buddy on bass. If no one's ever heard Emmons play bass they've missed something. He's dang near as good on it as 99% of the guys who play bass as their main instrument. Have a good 'un. JH ------------------ |
Larry Bell Member From: Englewood, Florida |
![]() Also, if you like Jimmie Crawford, listen to the guitar part on 'Dee Dee' off JC's 'Steel Crazy' album. One of the most clever steel instrumentals I've ever heard and Phil's contribution fits the tune perfectly. ------------------ |
Darvin Willhoite Member From: Leander, Tx. USA |
![]() Since you asked, I happen to have a pedal guitar in my collection. It is a Peavey T60, but the pedal attachment may not have been made by MSA. It looks different than other pictures I've seen, and the pullers attach to the back of the guitar instead of the front, and pull the strings through the body. Rollers were added to the bridge saddles, but they are too small and the high E strings don't last long. There are no markings whatsoever that indicate who made it. I haven't played it much, it needs some adjustment and tweaking, and I just haven't taken the time to do it. ------------------ |
Al Marcus Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA |
![]() Hi Larry- I met Phil Baugh at the MSA factory in Dallas when I was picking up a D12. He showed me his new pedal operated guitar. I thought it was great! Reece was higly impressed with it too, if I remember. Phil was a top guitar player . that's for sure. I am sorry that he died so young. I almost bought a 14 string lightweight Proto-type Msa that Bud and Chuck Wright built when I was there. Carl-It had a vertical knee lever that pushed straight up, with a long piece with holes in it, so you could get just the exact adjustment . I think it was called "El Camino" model...al ------------------ |
RON PRESTON Member From: Dodson, Louisiana, USA |
![]() It is sad that Phil died so early in his life. Because of him, I met Buddy for the 1st time in 82 or 83 at the "hot licks studio" on W 18th St. I looked ALL OVER Nashville to find "The BIG E", and a Gentelman, Mr. Wheeler himself, of "Wheeler Steels" on Broadway sent me there. I will never forget how kind and caring Phil was to me in helping me see Buddy that day. I took photos of both Phil and Buddy and showed Tommy White of the "Proud" photo I had of Buddy. Of course he ask where I met him, and, I told the story to Tommy, and I remember Tommy saying to me....."Ah, The BIG E!" This was when Tommy was playing in Louisville for Mike Lungsford at the "Lemon Tree Lounge" NEVER in my life was I so nervous as I was that day To meet BOTH Buddy and Phil. ![]() [This message was edited by RON PRESTON on 24 September 2003 at 12:41 PM.] |
Fred Jack Member From: Bay City Texas |
![]() Jerry, Do you remember when Phil played with Vern Stovall at The Blue Room in Pomona in 60-62? They did a song like you mention with Phil playing several styles. Also ... James Burton did The Bottle Let Me Down and probably Swingin Doors, however, Glen Campbell may have done Swinging Doors. Regards, Fred |
Rick Jackson Member From: San Diego |
![]() Fred, I have a cd from the late Jack Morris of Toppa Records with that recording of Vern Stovall and Phil Baugh. The name of the cd is Toppa Then and Now. I don't know if it is still available....rj |
Winnie Winston Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ |
![]() I met Phil at the MSA factory in January '73. I was heading east from California trying to outrun a hell of an ice storm that had me stranded in (I think) Colorado City, TX for 3 days at the worst motel I've even been in. Maurice was busy for a while, so left me with Phil. I wondered what kind of idiot Reece had working there who didn't know squat about steels. He couldn't answer anything I asked, and when I pointed out details to him he was truly amazed. Then Reece came back, and Phil showed me his pedal guitar that Reece just finished for him. THEN I understood why he didn't know from steels! He was soooo good on that guitar! JW |
L. D. Cochran Member From: Tell, Texas, USA |
![]() Vern was playing in a little club in Grandprarrie TX,in about 91-92, club was called Carsons,i set in one night with him,he has a son who is real good also,Vern is from Vian,Okla. |
Reece Anderson Member From: Keller Texas USA |
![]() Phil and I were best of friends. We played music all over the country, played golf and played poker together, and believe me, he done everything exceptionally well. A dear friend recently sent me a copy of a song Phil and I recorded called "Rapid Ragg" which I had forgotten about. It was by far the fastest thing I have ever played on record. He was incredibly quick. MSA built the very first pedal guitar which was called the "pedalpitch". If memory serves correct there was a patent issued to Sonny Bennett (who is still the head designer for MSA) and Phil Baugh, both for application and the pulling system. I know I have a picture of the very first "pedalpitch" ever made which was installed on a Fender Jaguar 6 string guitar. If I can find it, I will post it. |
Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
![]() Phil had an album with Vern Stovall for Longhorn in 1965, Vern sang on about half the tracks. Phil had a bit if chart action with the single 'Country Guitar' in 1965, I used to have a scan of a Billboard ad for the single. He also cut another album in California in the late 1960s, issued in 1969 while he was playing with the Phil Baugh Trio at a Bowling alley gig, plus the whole studio thing. |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() Reese; I remember Rapid Ragg. It was real fast. Real cool tune, too! Jason; (I'd like to find a copy of California Guitar to put with my copy of Country Guitar. I wonder if it was surf music? ------------------ |
Mitch Drumm Member From: santa rosa, ca |
![]() the 3 phil baugh lps are: country guitar, longhorn w02, circa 1964 and also reissued in the 1980s, i think by "club of spade". about half of the songs are vocals by vern stovall. california guitar, happy tiger/era 801. this contains pop instrumentals such as girl watcher, little green apples, hey jude, and harper valley pta. i think this is all instrumental. country guitar II, toro 502. this is from the 70s and has vern stovall on a few vocals. tunes include night life, country guitar number two (a remake of the original on the longhorn album), malaguena, flint hill special, panhandle boss, and spanish fandango. great cover shot of phil with what looks like a gibson les paul, an MSA tailpiece, an MSA pedal unit, and a peavey amp. he also did 6 or 8 singles, some of which are not any of these lps. he was originally from around yuba city, california. vance terry grew up in the same immediate area and they did cross paths in the 1950s. vern stovall is still at least semi-active in texas. i got an email from a niece or grandaughter (??) within the last year saying that vern was still picking at casual gatherings. [This message was edited by Mitch Drumm on 26 September 2003 at 11:48 AM.] [This message was edited by Mitch Drumm on 26 September 2003 at 11:50 AM.] |
Paul Graupp Member From: Macon Ga USA |
![]() I once cut a full page picture of a young Phil Baugh from a guitar mag and saved it. Years later, I was in a Forum thread with Buddy and asked him if he wanted the picture. He replied yes but wouldn't you know it; when I went to look for it, I couldn't find it and I'm still looking a year or two later. I don't recall the name of the song but I can never forget Phil's singing on a guitar sampler number he did. The lyrics went: Play me something sweet And then he did just that !! Regards, Paul |
Tom Kaufman Member From: Denton, Maryland, USA |
![]() Wow! This thread is making me want to go pull out my copy of "Country Guitar"..and give it another listen! I was just looking at it in fact..and it is, indeed, on "long Horn." I wonder how many of you remember another tune that Phil did called "The One Man Band?" On that one, he did impersonations of the saxiphone, steel guitar and the upright bass. Don't know if that one ever made it to an LP! |
Ed Naylor Member From: portsmouth.ohio usa |
![]() Interesting posts on Phil. Going thru my "Millions" of old records this morning I found a promo copy of a 45 with Phil and Buddy Emmons.It was cut in 1981 for Sound Factory records in Nashville.It was titled "We're in this love together" written by Keith Stegall and Roger Muhhah.The engineer was Jim Cotton. I haven't had a chance to play it but I am sure it is good. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works |
Ernie Renn Member From: Brainerd, Minnesota USA |
![]() There's a Real Audio clip of "We're in this Love Together", Here! ------------------ |
Mike Cass Member From: Nashville,Tn. U.S.A. |
![]() Not sure if its already been mentioned, but the pedal mechanism Phil was using in the mid 80's until his untimely demise in '90 was built by Paul Franklin Sr. I know this, as I was working for Phil & Buddy at the "....Factory" as studio manager & general flunky. I had many occassions to see the rig there as well as doing session cartage for Phil from time to time during my tenure with them. However, as has been stated, the first rig was indeed an MSA product. I saw Phil with 'Reece & Curly Chalker in Mpls in the early '70's & he had the MSA rig then. Funny thing about Phil though, was the fact that he could reproduce much of his pedal work without the pedals! One of the last things he played for me was an awesome I to II change that incorporated several simultaneous bends...w/o the benefit of pedals!....just those talented mitts of his :-). Heck of a player & a good friend. I still miss him & his music everyday. Some of my favorite times were spent @ the Hall of Fame Lounge listening to Phil w/ Buddy, Paul or Doug back when they had a house gig there. ....a guaranteed good time! |
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