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Author | Topic: Play 'You Ain't Going Nowhere' by the Byrds |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() Does anyone play 'You Ain't Going Nowhere' version by the Byrds? L. Green played nteh steel part on Sweet Heart of the Rodeo by teh Byrds. It was written by Bob Dylan. I would ove to have tab on that. Billy ------------------ |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() I used to play it. I think I have tab somewhere... I'll look. |
Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
![]() Billy.. .. I bet if you listen through those steel parts and work on them, you would be able to "think them through".. They are fairly easy parts for most E9 players to figure out unless you are just starting out. Why not try to nail them without the tab?? bob |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() What Bob said. |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() well, i play it somewhat but not exactly correct. there are a few 'dittys' that i can find. not starting out but have put it down for about 7 years (after a damm car about turned me off!). I have trouble with the quicker parts and with the 'crisp' blocks. i bet that was a sweet session. it was done in Nashville with L. Green as hired gun for the Byrds in 1968-69 i think. not that quick but classic chops! BTW: has anyone listened to Clarence White any? old guitar played for the Byrds, etc. later ------------------ |
steve takacs Member From: beijing, china |
![]() Try these 2 (P) file:///Users/eric/Documents/E9%20songs/You%20Ain't%20Goin'%20Nowhere%22%20-%20The%20Steel%20Guitar%20Forum.html (P) and (Pfile:///Users/eric/Documents/E9%20songs/You%20Ain't%20Going%20Nowhere%22%20Intro%20-%20The%20Steel%20Guitar%20Forum.html |
Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
![]() Billy .. You will find LOTS of Clarance White fans here!.. He was the prototype for todays "hot tele pickers".. and he was doing it 40 years ago!!... bob |
Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
![]() Billy one more thing.. If you can get the "feel" and the "heart" of what Lloyd put down on that great tune, I would not be too concerned about getting everything note for note. Get it clean,with good tone,and if you have to inject a little of yourself in there,go with it. Get it so it sounds good.. like YOU would have played the session,and don't be overly concerned about copying every note Lloyd played. Thats what many of us do... bob |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() i am really digging this forum! i am 54 (might say hippie) and really got into the west coast laid back sound hitting hard in '69 or so! yea, Mr White was hot and your are right, all the pickers doing that sound now got from Mr. White. he was 30 years ahead of his time!!! shame he got ran down by a drunk driver in Florda while putting guitar in the truck of his car. BTW: who digs Gram Parsons music? try 'I've Lied', 'Thats All It Took', 'Brand New HeartAche' and others. 'Sin City' is sweet as is 'Return of the Grievous Angel' which where i got my studio's name from "Grievous Angel Productions". he is "My Man", i.e. written by Bernie Leadon for Gram after GPs death in '71 i think. if you are into GP get the book about him. goes into where 'Dead Flowers', 'Wild HOrses' and others came from (Gram lived with K. Richards (Stones) and his wife Anita in S. France for about 2 years. "Dead Flowers' was written about some flowers Kieth and Gram (received via jet) from some groupies in the States that arrived dead. thats all that took. check out my web site, i have a page or so devoted to GP. www.grievousangelpro.com later, billy ------------------ |
Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
![]() Billy.. you and I are on the same wavelength musically. The Burritos[with and without Gram] were a BIG influence on this old hippie too! Gram Parsons was 30 years ahead of his time also. Oh by the way,I still sing Dead Flowers with my band. I don't play steel on it like I did back in the 70's but I may start doing so again! I really Like NRPS version of that song! "Take me down little Suzie take me down".. "I know you think you're the queen of the underground" ... Ah, them were the good old days.. bob [This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 01 February 2005 at 08:32 AM.] |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() we need to get together and hangout some. my studio is in SE Georgia. pass it arond, we do unlimited session time on a 74 min CD. pro sound with 1000 glass mastered CD with art, etc. for $4995! $45 to $30 (4 hour block to 40 hour block) per hour straight time. we do short run CDRs 500 per day in-house with thermal label on silver CDRs in a slim case (100 for $140). i ahve not spent enought time on steel to due studio and live sound gigs. i/ve also played ons stage for 20+ years i guess. a few times in 20-30K seat arenas. what a rush! later, ------------------ |
Jack Abraham Member From: Bristow, Oklahoma, USA |
![]() Ditto & Ditto. Anytime that I see mention of the Byrds/Gram Parsons, it gets my attention. From time-to-time, we will pick an artist and/or a particular piece of work and highlight the music for one of our weekly gigs. I have a "standing-order" in to do a Sweetheart of the Rodeo "night". I need to remind my cohorts that we need to get this one done! |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() Ya know the steel player on the studio version of "That's All It Took" is none other than The Big E. |
Michael Lewis Member From: Coral Springs, Florida, USA |
![]() Hey Billy and Bob and any other gently aging hippies! I'm 53 and musically brought up on similar turf. If you guys ever get to the Ft. Lauderdale, Fl. area, look me up! I'd welcome the opportunity to visit! Mike 72 D10 Emmons, Nashville 1000 |
Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
![]() ML.. I only WISH I were aging gently... I am aging in massive shuddering convulsive spasms.... bob |
Jeff Garden Member From: Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA |
![]() For anyone interested in that whole West Coast Gram Parsons/Chris Hillman sound (and the steel to go with it!) check out Mike Headrick's Steels on Wheels CD - all instrumental tribute to Gram and Chris tunes and some great pedal steel. His website is www.countrydiscovery.com |
Mark Lind-Hanson Member From: San Francisco, California, USA |
![]() Hi- I am a Clarence White fan, I just want to correct your info about Clarence's accident- it took place in California (Palmdale)not FL. He was loading an amp in back of his car, was hit by a drunk lady & died in hosp; after being flung 70 feet (w/massive concussion). CW is buried in Lancaster,CA- there are several good CW websites you might google (Clarence White Forum, Clarence White.com is I believe run by his surviving daughter.) -& Byrds websites... We all owe Clarence a heap & what a hard way to go, too- American music's loss. |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() yea. who is Big E? great steel, not extrmely fast but cares. if its in the pocket with sweet notes that talk to your of some plane, its great. listen to J. Garcia's stuff, i.e 'Momma Tried" to me that is a great guitar part. Yep, NRPS blew me away. i played that first NRPS album over and over and still do. the lead singer, Daves ???, wrote and sang about topics i felt like i understood. its a moving album. talking about ahead of you time. . billy ------------------ |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() thanks for the correction. i actually thought it was CA but a friend convinced it was FL. Jim McQuinn has/had a house in FL somewhere, so . . . But i thought what yu are saying also. was it an amp? it didn't really know, just assumed a guitar. yes i will check out some those sites. Great picker! billy ------------------ |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() Billy, I see from your profile that you registered just yesterday. You'll probably be finding out who The Big E is shortly. |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() OK . . . so he played on 'Thats All It Took'? great song. I'm waiting . . . later, ------------------ |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() http://www.buddyemmons.com/award2.htm |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() actually i though it may be Emmons as in the Big E, but didn't think he played on any of gram parsons stuff. billy ------------------ |
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() Billy, on the version of GP I have (the original fold-out album cover with the picture of Gram in front of the Truck) the Emmons credit appears. Most of the cuts were Al Perkins though. Welcome to the Forum! |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() yea, al perkins was GP steel player with the Fallen Angels and FBBros as he was the west coast steel king in those days, at least in rock edge side of things. didn't al play a C6 all the time or something like that? so Mr. Emmons played only on That's All It Took? L. Green was on the Byrds Sweet Heart ablum. whaat other steel players were on teh Sweet Heart ablum? i have not read those liners notes in awhile. in todays techy life, liner notes kinda get left behind. its shame actually as the art and liner notes were great to read while listening. thanks, ------------------ |
Jim Peters Member From: St. Louis, Missouri, USA |
![]() Billy, I worked on that at one of my lessons with Don Curtis,it is very fun,and fairly approachable by beginners(like me).Fun song,great playing,a blast to play....life is good.JimP |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() Jim, I first learned it with Don's help, too. He should know it pretty well by now! Incidentally, Jim, I know your son... I do a little business at St. Louis Hardwoods. |
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() My good friend Neil Flanz did the steel honours on the "Fallen Angels" tour - there is a cd available with a live show from that tour that you might have heard. Neil lives in Austin now, and turns up on the Forum frequently. Billy, you can use the Forum's "search" function to find old threads about topics you are interested in. There has been quite a bit of discussion about "Sweetheart of the Rodeo", including information supplied by Lloyd Green himself. J. D. Manness also played steel on that album. |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() yep i remember the Fallen Angles tour. they released a live GP album of tht one night at a radio station in Hampton or Hamstead, NH. i think? recorded by the radio staion, rough but real! they talk about 8mm cameras and Ms. E. Harris. Its a nice ablum. have ya'll listened to the 1st NRPS album with Jerry Garcia on steel. his steel style is not typical Nashivlle for sure. you are the man Mr. Garcia. I wish he coajuld kick off 'Momma Tried' right now! i loved his 6 string guitar pick up sound. he kept it rather secret, real thick 7 hot, slightly dirty and had a phase sound also. he had them wound for him plus wired the guitar special also i understand. billy
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Dwayne Martineau Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() There is some value in learning those steel phrases note-for-note; and that is: it's totally hard. There is a lot of information packed into those first two dozen notes or so... To nail that phrase and pick it cleanly (on my lap steel, anyway) took reasonable "mastery" of cross-picking, left-hand/bar blocking, pick-blocking and palm-blocking. P.S. I've been digging "Cody Cody" lately... |
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() Billy, NRPS were a big early influence on me - I listened to that first album that Garcia played steel on a lot, as well as subsequent albums where Buddy Cage played. I saw NRPS at Festival Express in 70 - they traveled with the Dead at that point and Jerry was still playing steel for them. AS you will learn, Garcia is a "hot button" issue here on the Forum - well worth doing a search on! By the way, the FBB's were at that festival too - that was jsut after Gram left. Sneaky Pete Kleinow was playing steel for them at that point - Al Perkins came later. |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() i must be getting old! i was actually thinking of 'Sneaky Pete not Al Perkins that played with that rock edge not found so common in Nashvile at tht time. i feel definitely a West Coast steel sound. Now I gues i am correct. which steel player played on most of FBB songs, e.i. Wheels, Hot Burrito No. 2, Sin City, Close Up the Honky Tonks, etc? 'Sneaky Pete' correct? at what song/album did AL Perkins appear. on GP's studio solo ablums (all two them) there a variety of steel plays on those 2 albums, correct? i read that GP had asked Merle Haggard to use his band as GP wanted to get that 'real coounry' sound, but Merle Haggard tuned GP down. GP tried really hard to merge country sounds into the rock scene. "I'LL CHANGE YOU FLAT TIRE MERLE" WAS GP'S RESPONSE TO MERLE'S 'OAGIE FROM ...'. MANY OF NASHVILLE'S PLAYERS FAILED TO SEE GP'S INTENT AND WAS ACTUALLY IN HONOR TO THE COUNTRY SCENE. HOW DID GRAM SAY IT (PARA-PHRASING)? "I'LL FIX YUR FLAT TIRE MERLE, DON'T GET YOU'RE HANDS ALL COVERED WITH ERLE . . ." . . . SOMETHING ABOUT "GETTING CAUGHT IN A TLELPHOINE BOOTH" . . . "SMACK . . . WEED ANY DAY" . . . ( HARD HITTING GUITAR DITTY). Great song by Pure Pairie League. (sorry for caps key) any way, later, ------------------ |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() correction: 'I'll Fix Your Flat Tire Merle" was done by 'Pure Paire League' NOT Gram Parsons. billy ------------------ |
Bob Blair Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada |
![]() I think Al Perkins was on "Last of the Red Hot Burritos" - that included some live material. Byron Berline was on there as well. But that was Sneaky on all those cuts you mentioned. |
Dave Grafe Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
![]() Billy T. -- On the GP album Mr. Emmons played on both "That's All It Took" and "Streets of Baltimore." If you listen carefully You will learn to recognize his tone and fluid style. |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA |
![]() Hey Billy. I know all of Gram's songs, pretty much word for word. Recently, I've learned many of the steel parts for "Grievous Angel" too. When you are thinking about putting that album in the can, give me a call. "And they came to see this young man and to hear the voice that would break and crack but rise pure and beautiful and full with sweetness and pain." I Think I can live up to the previous quote. Duncan |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() hello Duncan, you must have seen myweb site page on teh GP tribute CD? GREAT. i am still lining up artists so stay in touch. i plan on starting tracking this spring. past the word on. yea, GP's voice on certain songs that HE wrote was so stained with thought and pain that it is his signature no doubt. his vocal would crack just so beautifully and with sincerity but yet controlled. The honesty of his voice consumes you, at it does me. Brass Buttons, 1000 Dollar Wedding, Hot Burrito No.2, I've Lied to name a few. it is still sad to me to think of him and his music. They called him the 'King of Excess' and he lied up to that from what I've read about him. That i feel was what really killed him. Of couse the whisky and the samack ddn;t help, but you to ask yourself why so much of every thing? i read that Ms. Mercenary of the Go GOs stopped by to see him at the Burrito Manor and he pulled out a few George Jones albums. while playing them and saying that George was the 'king of heartbreak', tears appeared in his eyes. Ms. Merceanry said she never forgot that, as it was so real and heart felt it even moved her! GP's dream of bringing together rockers and country folks just wasn't happening he thought. he had trouble with relationships abd separating himself from reality and what his heart was feeling. GP could not walk awa easily, i.e. musicm women, drugs his mother (as in 'Brass Buttons'). that was GPs burden and gift, at least from what i've read and the few i've talked to that knew him. GP was a romatic akind to maybe Bob Dylan (at least in Dylan's lyrics). listen to 'Bell of Ryhmey' and 'My Back Pages', i.e. 'unharnful gentle souls' . . . 'i was older then than i am now'. anyway, GP was a drawn to a losing cause. enough. . . what was this thread about . . . later, ------------------ |
Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
![]() "Bells of Rhymney"... wasn't that Pete Seeger? |
Billy T. Johnson Member From: Statesboro, Georgia, USA |
![]() he may have covered it? did he write it??? if so, i nhave been thinking different for a long time. the Byrds did it in about 1964-1965 or so. you have me curious now. i'll check it out. billy ------------------ |
Duncan Hodge Member From: DeLand, FL USA |
![]() One other thing Billy, play the Marlen before you sell it. Unless it's too late and you already have. I have a Speedy West one and it's pretty sweet. Duncan |
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