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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 09:15 AM
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"Pass it over to me"... remember THAT one?? Off the great Easy Rider soundtrack... I recall it had some really nice Lloyd Green style pedal steel playing on it, but I'm not real sure it was him...Is there a chance ANY one might know??... Now I KNOW for a fact there are a lot of 50+ ex hippies [like me] out there,so maybe someone will remember. I could be wrong,but I think the band was called Friends of Man.. maybe.. some kind of 60's hippie band name.. I really don't recall, those days are long in the past and my memory grows dim. Anyway,I'd like to know if that was Lloyd on that record. The lyrical content of the song was very different that most of the sessions he worked on back then,thats for certain.. |
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Eric Gearhart Member From: Bellingham, Massachusetts, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 09:20 AM
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"Fraternity of Man". Don't know who the steel player is though. |
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Keith Cordell Member From: Atlanta |
posted 06 April 2005 09:27 AM
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The steel player was Red Rhodes. |
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Eric Gearhart Member From: Bellingham, Massachusetts, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 09:35 AM
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While we are at it, Does anyone remember the movie "JOE" with Peter Boyle? I recently purchased it on DVD and it has been cleaned up wonderfully. The theme song is great and sounds to be a non pedal player. Any ideas? |
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Victor Denance Member From: Bordeaux, France |
posted 06 April 2005 09:46 AM
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BTW, what does the word "bogart" mean ??? I've checked it on the dictionnary but it's not there. Thanks ! |
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Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 09:53 AM
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It's a word whose usage and application is acquired thru experience and exposure to certain influences. It can also be referred to as "delay of game". I always liked "Little Feat's" version, 'cause by the time you got to the tune on "Waiting for Columbus", you'd already heard some pretty good tunes. [This message was edited by Ray Minich on 06 April 2005 at 09:54 AM.] |
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Bill McCloskey Member From: |
posted 06 April 2005 10:08 AM
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It means "Don't hang on to it" or "Don't monopolize" the joint. I always thought it derived from the way Bogart used to let his cigarette hang out of the side of his mouth, but who knows. [This message was edited by Bill McCloskey on 06 April 2005 at 10:23 AM.] |
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Mark Metdker Member From: North Central Texas, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 10:34 AM
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 Now how would a bunch of old steel players know what that means!! Yep, I remember that song very well. ------------------ Strats thru a tweed Bassman Band Pics |
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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 10:35 AM
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Bill.. your explanation is pretty much dead on. at least thats what they tell me  bob |
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Jerry Hayes Member From: Virginia Beach, Va. |
posted 06 April 2005 12:15 PM
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The artist listed on the old record I had was The Fraternity of Man 10/4 for what it's worth. That was one great tune which we always had a crowd sing along thing going. Dont' bogart that joint my friend, Roll another one, Dang, I used to know all the words, oh well, maybe someone should have been "Bogarting" their wacky-backy joints when I was around, can't remember a thing anymore....JH in Va. ------------------ |
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Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth |
posted 06 April 2005 12:22 PM
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Roooooooooooooooooooooll another one, Just like the other one........ You've been hangin' on to it
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Larry Robbins Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 01:03 PM
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Gee guys, I thought a "joint" was a place that sold booze....hmmmmmmmmmmm Larry (two hits and the joint turned brown) Robbins |
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Bob Carlucci Member From: Candor, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 01:17 PM
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Bunch of old fart hippies... I'll bet if your hair hadn't all fallen out 15 years ago,it would be down to your butts!! Seems like there were other lyrics that went kinda like this..."its about burnt to the end, now c'mon and be a real friend"... Ah well, those were fun times... but about 25 years ago. reality set it... bob [This message was edited by Bob Carlucci on 06 April 2005 at 01:18 PM.] |
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Frank Parish Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA |
posted 06 April 2005 01:29 PM
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I just can't remember anything from those days! |
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Victor Denance Member From: Bordeaux, France |
posted 06 April 2005 03:01 PM
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Thanks a lot for the linguistic course fellows ! Next time I'll "bogart" a joint I'll remember that song... and I have a reputation to "bogart" them... |
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Tom Olson Member From: Spokane, WA |
posted 06 April 2005 03:19 PM
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I'm not positive about this, but -- I've always thought that the term "bogart" came from the apparent propensity of Mr. Bogart (the actor) to keep puffing on a cigarette until it was almost burnt down to his fingers. |
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Jim West Member From: Vista,CA |
posted 06 April 2005 03:53 PM
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I have never been accused of bogarting a joint. At least I can't remember. |
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Larry Robbins Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 04:05 PM
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No man, I mean the joint turned BROWN!.... Like,.....WOW man, far out! edited to say: it really did turn brown,...man....man, Im hungry....lets go down to the store and by some chips man, yeah, cool....like , wow man....this dude is watching me.....oh man.... |
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b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 04:22 PM
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Any other steel-related comments? |
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basilh Member From: United Kingdom |
posted 06 April 2005 04:33 PM
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Bo·gart ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgärt), Humphrey DeForest. 1899-1957. American actor who played reticent, tough, but ultimately kind-hearted heroes in films such as Casablanca (1942) and The African Queen (1951), for which he won an Academy Award. [Download or Buy Now] Main Entry: bogart1 Source: Webster's New Millennium™ Dictionary of English, Preview Edition (v 0.9.5) |
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Larry Robbins Member From: Fort Edward, New York, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 04:50 PM
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actually, I got into listening to this type of music just about the time I got out of high school, give or take. About the same time as I started listening to Buddy Cage, Sneaky Pete ect...This is the stuff that got me interested in the steel guitar. How bout the rest of you? |
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Pete Finney Member From: Nashville, Tn. |
posted 06 April 2005 04:57 PM
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I think Richie Hayward (Little Feat drummer) was in the "Fraternity of Man" and that's why they did it in their shows... I don't know what all that other stuff is y'all are talking about! ;-) |
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Rick McDuffie Member From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 05:06 PM
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I was guessing it had something to do with the bass player from Vanilla Fudge, but I could be wrong. I saw him when he was with Cactus and, believe me, there was no "bogarting" going on that night. [This message was edited by Rick McDuffie on 06 April 2005 at 05:11 PM.] |
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Dave Grafe Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 07:10 PM
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anybody says they remember those days wasn't there |
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Daryl Stogner Member From: Yuma, AZ (next to nowhere and north of been there) |
posted 06 April 2005 07:49 PM
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Now I got the munchies! Hey did any of your ever see.....??? What was I gonna say? Oh yeah I got the munchies! |
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Garry Vanderlinde Member From: Garden Grove, California, USA |
posted 06 April 2005 10:18 PM
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 "Play it again Buddy" [This message was edited by Garry Vanderlinde on 06 April 2005 at 10:19 PM.] |
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Bobby Ranes Member From: Atlanta, Texas, USA |
posted 07 April 2005 04:48 PM
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No...no......no.......! A Joint is a building 60 feet off the road with one row parking in the front and several rows on each side. They sell beer and soft drinks..dont remember any Wine. There is a Fiddle Player, Guitar Player/Singer, Bass and Steel in one corner. The steel is two different brand six sting lap steels bolted to some homemade table. The player sits on a wooden crate and the only amplifier is the steelman's converted console 78rpm record player. The steels each have elongated volumn controls to work with the little finger and they are fashioned out of wood. If there is a dance floor you cant see it because of the sawdust. You hear things like "Roadside Rag", "Be Honest With Me", "Maiden's Prayer" and everybodys favorite waltz "Be Nobodys Darling But Mine".....ah yes.........all around the water tank......... |
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Jack Musgrave Member From: Rogersville, Missouri, USA |
posted 07 April 2005 05:36 PM
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While were on the subject, steel players beware of all drummers. they will corrupt the crap out of you. forget about Bogart, them boy's use BONGS |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 07 April 2005 11:48 PM
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Wow, the Fraternity of Man!! Here's some trivia: The leader of the FOM was Elliott Ingber, who was an original member of Frank Zappa's Mothers (who only became the Mothers of Invention when the record company balked at the previous name). Elliott is the guy with short hair on the Mothers' "Freak Out" album. His hair is short because he had just gotten out of the army. We're talking 1966. Elliott's hair grew out considerably by the time of the the FOM's. I went to high school with Elliott's kid brother, Ira Ingber. I saw the Mothers in January of 1966, when LSD was still legal! at "The Trip," an infamous night club on Sunset Blvd. made famous in the movie "Riot on Sunset Strip." Perlowin could verify all this as being true. He was there also. ------------------ [This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 07 April 2005 at 11:50 PM.] |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 08 April 2005 02:20 AM
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Herbster, you know I reckon I saw Ira post a message on the United Mutations Zappa fansite a while back. He was passing on some info on Elliot. Your buddy Earl Ball also played on the same album as Red, the one that had 'Don't Bogart' on side one i think. Apparently the group cut an album this decade, no details though, except I hear that Elliot was still on board. |
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Pete Finney Member From: Nashville, Tn. |
posted 08 April 2005 08:15 AM
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Wow, Herb, you ARE old...! Actually I'm jealous that you were around L.A. when you were; I'm sure the stories we've heard here just scratch the surface of cool music you witnessed and participated in. I did get to see the original Mothers of Invention on one of their very last shows before Frank disbanded (summer of '69). There's a great new biography of Zappa by Barry Miles that I just read that has more info on the early days than I'd seen anywhere... As far as the song in question, I'd bet that 90% of the people who heard it back in the day knew it from the "Easy Rider" soundtrack album which it seemed everybody I knew had; you hardly ever saw a "Fraternity of Man" album around... |
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Dale Bennett Member From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA |
posted 08 April 2005 09:07 AM
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Keith, I think you are right about Red Rhodes being on that record.Carl Walden stopped by to see me here in Okc 1 week ago last sat on his way to Mo. We talked about that song. Carl used to play with that group and he said Red Rhodes did the steel on that. And Jason, I think he did say Earl Ball also. We talked about so many things and I am gettig old and can't remember much any more. db |
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Pat Dawson Member From: Chesapeake Beach, Maryland, USA |
posted 08 April 2005 09:58 AM
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Gee, I was there but I don't remember. Must have been bogarting. Actually, I have the 45 rpm record and it's on the "ABC Terrible Tunes" label. ------------------ |
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Mark Lind-Hanson Member From: San Francisco, California, USA |
posted 08 April 2005 12:46 PM
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Well, I wasn't quite of age yet, but perhaps the precocious little brother who came along to crash the party, seems I was 15 or 16 (possibly even younger) when Fraternity of Man put that out- that sure didn't mean I didn;t know what they were talkin about! I think it really IS a reference to the way old Bogie let 'em drip from his lips... But who else recalls more of the album it came off of- classics such as "Stop Me, Citate Me" -?- But -if you can remember those days, it doesn't mean you Weren't There, it means they were... Interesting For A Reason! (I always thought that cliche was a cop out!) Red Rhodes sounds like a logical choice of who would have been around LA in those days They were an interesting outfit with Lowell George & all- |
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Don McClellan Member From: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii |
posted 08 April 2005 05:11 PM
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The Fugs. |
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Don McClellan Member From: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii |
posted 08 April 2005 05:16 PM
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The Fugs. |
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Don McClellan Member From: Kihei, Maui, Hawaii |
posted 08 April 2005 05:18 PM
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The Fugs. |
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Scott Hay Member From: El Cerrito, California, USA |
posted 17 April 2005 12:03 AM
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my band does that song, it rules. Super fun to play |
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Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
posted 18 April 2005 04:35 AM
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b0b, thanks for lettin' this thread stay alive, it's hilarious. |
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Don Ricketson Member From: Llano, Texas |
posted 18 April 2005 07:15 AM
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Dosen't that picture of Bogart of whatever he's smoking say Columbian? Didn't know they had that back then.  ------------------ |
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