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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 27 October 2005 04:09 PM
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Who played pedal steel on Gene Clark's "True One", from the album "No Other"? Here's a link that lists all of the musicians, but doesn't mention the pedal steel: click here "True One" is the only track with steel. Sounds like it might be Jerry Garcia to me. ------------------ |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 28 October 2005 05:10 AM
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I have a pretty good Gene Clark collection but I haven't listened to that tune in awhile. I think it's unlikely to be Garcia. Sneaky Pete played on the Dillard and Clark stuff. Since Chris Hillman was involved in "No Other", could it be JayDee? Maybe Red Rhodes? |
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Craig Stock Member From: Westfield, NJ USA |
posted 28 October 2005 07:24 AM
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I did a search and one writing mentioned Al Perkins and Byron Berline were also on No Other. ------------------ |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 28 October 2005 08:37 AM
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That's probably the answer. |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 28 October 2005 06:46 PM
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Anyone know for sure? It's really very basic playing, which was why I thought it might be Garcia. |
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Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA |
posted 28 October 2005 07:07 PM
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Maybe Gene Parsons? |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 28 October 2005 07:48 PM
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Dave-that was my guess-listened to the sound bite-thought I'd go back to the drawing board to think about it some more. I honestly can't remember if I have this album on vinyl or not-I have about 500-600 vinyl albums in my garage in boxes on a warehouse rack, and it's one of many projects on a very long list to get them organized... ------------------ |
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Tom Quinn Member From: Sacramento |
posted 29 October 2005 08:02 AM
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I think the album was recorded in L.A., so I'd look for someone working in that area... |
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Olli Haavisto Member From: Jarvenpaa,Finland |
posted 29 October 2005 11:29 AM
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I found my vinyl version , which is an 80`s British re-issue and it doesn`t list a steel player either . There is steel on The True One and it is , as Bob said , very basic . The suspect intonation rules out Sneaky , Al Perkins and Red Rhodes , IMO.... ------------------ |
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Chris LeDrew Member From: Newfoundland, Canada |
posted 29 October 2005 12:35 PM
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I'm curious as well, so I asked Al Perkins and he says he's not sure whether or not he played on this tune. Not surprising, taking into account everything he has played on. |
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GaryL Member From: Medina, OH USA |
posted 29 October 2005 03:53 PM
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Bob, Thanks for bringing this question up again. I had asked this same question in an earlier post but got no reply. The steeler in question was, in fact, Al Perkins, according to John Einarson in his biography of the late Gene Clark, "Mr. Tambourine Man." (The book is available at Amazon and a must read for Gene Clark fans.) |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 31 October 2005 10:24 AM
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Well, Al it is, I guess. I e-mailed Gene Parsons, he lives relatively close to me, Dave Z., and b0b. Gene and I have a mutual friend, a local guy that used to do plating work for Gene on the Stringbender. At any rate, Gene says it wasn't him-but if he were to guess, he thought it would be Red Rhodes. Einarson book info aside, it's weird that the musicans roster on that album was so thorough, but the steel player was left off. ------------------ |
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tom anderson Member From: leawood, ks., usa |
posted 31 October 2005 02:19 PM
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I went through my copy of John Einarson's book on Gene & looked through all of the references to "No Other" & those on Al Perkins and could find none to support the idea that Al played on the True One. He isn't listed as playing with Gene until sessions after that album was released. Please sight the page that confirms his playing on The True One. I also can't identify the player based on style, but the simplicity of the playing shouldn't be a guide. The steel playing makes that one of the strongest cuts on the album. Since he was using LA players, it also could have been one of Linda Rondstadt's steel players, or Bernie Leadon from the Eagles who was learning steel then, or even one of the guitar players listed. I would also guess Red Rhodes however & think he is more likely than Al Perkins. |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 31 October 2005 03:20 PM
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Could it be Herb Steiner? |
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Herb Steiner Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX |
posted 31 October 2005 03:44 PM
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Nope, it wasn't Herb Steiner. We used to have a player in LA that was a bluegrasser-turned-steeler named Don Beck. It might have been Don. I just listened to the snippet on the link. It could be Rusty Young. [This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 31 October 2005 at 03:47 PM.] |
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Chris LeDrew Member From: Newfoundland, Canada |
posted 31 October 2005 03:53 PM
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Could it be Dan Dugmore? |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 01 November 2005 08:13 AM
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Chris-that would seem to be a solid guess. The only thing I would say is that I checked out Dan's discography on his website and it looks pretty darn thorough, and that session is not listed. According to the site, Dan started in the business in L.A. doing studio stuff in 1974. He is one of my favorites-he is a steeler that really knows how to "serve" the song, his playing is often understated-guys like Dan and Paul Franklin are such masters of fitting the steel into the song without taking over. On the debut album of Mindy Smith, who has been sort of taken under the wing of Dolly Parton, Dan plays a killer lap steel solo on the first track, "Come to Jesus." ------------------ |
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GaryL Member From: Medina, OH USA |
posted 02 November 2005 05:43 PM
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Tom, You are right and I was wrong. John Einarson was kind enough to reply to this question. He said that he know that the steeler was not Al Perkins and does not sound like Sneaky Pete. He guessed at Jeff "Skunk" Baxter. |
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Chris LeDrew Member From: Newfoundland, Canada |
posted 02 November 2005 07:00 PM
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"Skunk" Baxter plays the pedals, and was doing quite of bit of work in L.A. during the mid-70's. He did some nice steel work on Steely Dan's "Can't Buy A Thrill" album, which was recorded around the same time as Gene's album. |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 02 November 2005 07:12 PM
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Well who knows how completely thorough these online discographies are-but Baxter's does not list this session, though Jeff is credited with playing guitar on a 1977 Gene Clark album. By 1973, in addition to his other work, Jeff was doing the multi-instrumentalist thing with the Doobies as his main gig. As an aside and getting back to Gene Clark: I saw Chris Hillman/Herb Pedersen with Sally Van Meter on dobro at the Sweetwater in Marin County's Mill Valley two weeks ago. Chris did a song by Dillard & Clark, and he stated that in his opinion, Dillard & Clark was the best of the so-called country rock bands of that era-and this even included his own, and most well-known of the batch- The Flying Burrito Brothers. ------------------ |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 02 November 2005 07:17 PM
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I'm amazed that nobody knows this! This is the first time I've ever been able to stump the room with a "who played on...". |
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Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA |
posted 02 November 2005 07:17 PM
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One of all time favorite albums is the Fantastic Expedition of Dillard & Clark. Darn, I missed a good show! Dave |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 02 November 2005 07:27 PM
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It was very good, Dave. Sally started out kind of rough-but once she got rollin' she extracted some fine licks out of her Scheerhorn. They did a great version at the end of "Eight Miles High" that went into somewhat of an extended jam-just outstanding. That is the first track on Chris' latest, "The Other Side," a real strong acoustic album-sort of bluegrassy (but hardly any banjo Bobby). Sally is all over it on dobro. Bobby-usually the "stumper" has the answer to the question, and the "stumpees" are supposed to do the guessin'-it looks like nobody has the answer. Gene Clark and Red Rhodes are no longer with us, Gene Parsons was nice enough to reply to my e-mail...where do we go next? ------------------ [This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 02 November 2005 at 07:28 PM.] |
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Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA |
posted 03 November 2005 08:00 AM
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Could it have been Jay Dee? Maybe someone could email him. |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 03 November 2005 08:12 AM
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Hey tongue-in-cheek guy, if it sounded anything like your hero Sneaky Pete, you'd find an excuse to go down to his house to ask him in person!  ------------------ [This message was edited by Mark Eaton on 03 November 2005 at 09:10 AM.] |
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Bobby Lee Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA |
posted 03 November 2005 08:33 AM
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Hmmm... Vince Gill is playing in Santa Rosa tonight. I wonder if Jay Dee will be there. |
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Dave Zirbel Member From: Sebastopol, CA USA |
posted 03 November 2005 08:37 AM
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Darn, and I have a rehearsal! |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 03 November 2005 01:05 PM
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I just got out the Gene Clark/Carla Olsen CD... someone named Ed Black played steel on that one. Does anybody know who he is and could he have played on "No Other" as well? Also Jesse Ed Davis played slide guitar and dobro in addition to six-string, did he ever mess with steel? |
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Skip Edwards Member From: LA,CA |
posted 03 November 2005 01:38 PM
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The late Ed Black was one of the founding fathers of the California country rock school of steel,as well as a good friend of mine. Do a search on him and you'll come up with a bunch of stuff. BTW, I played keys on that Clark/Olsen LP. |
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Steve Hitsman Member From: Waterloo, IL |
posted 03 November 2005 01:43 PM
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Yes you did! |
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Mark Eaton Member From: Windsor, Sonoma County, CA |
posted 03 November 2005 03:05 PM
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Well I'm glad somebody remembers playing on something. Thanks, Skip! ------------------ |
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Jason Odd Member From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
posted 05 November 2005 04:08 PM
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At this point we'll go through every West Coast steel player in town in 1973-74. Maybe Jessie Ed dabbled in some steel?, it's a corker of an album. |
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