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Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA	posted 15 June 2006 11:51 AM profile Purrr... I'm sure such scenes happen thousands of times a week all over the country. There are singers, guys and gals, that haven't made it, and seem to be in a hurry to be has-beens--minor grifters with a story but without the experience to make it true. So in a way, we (I should say many of you, as I'm not out there anymore) suffer along out of necessity, and hope they're kind enough not to slander the band when it goes bad. Laughter often comes out of embarassment. (Maybe that happened to the steel player in the original post too many times that week.) We don't always know who we're embarassed for, ourselves or the fellow at the mic. But it's all part of the deal. And it's not Upper Broadway in New York; and I'm not sure it matters, as your home town is where it always happens, and it's forgotten. So I agree with the poster: walk a mile in the steeler's shoes. Laughter beats cussing or walking out. (And anybody who gets up to sing impromptu should know the pitfalls. If they don't they have to learn somewhere. Not being mean; I've worked with more amateurs than most. I remember my first open mic in hi school. Dreadful, even when I tried to make a joke. Boy, do I wish they'd laughed.)
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN	posted 15 June 2006 12:11 PM profile well,,it was just a question,not a reason to get mad or to make a big deal out of it,I just wanted to hear what you guys think.Some approve it and some don`t..and that`s good..that is what good discussion is all about. it doesn`t matter if you play with a hot Nashville act,lower Broadway,your hometown or in your bedroom..at the end it all boils down to what kind of person you/me are...and how other people will remember you...will they remember you as a nice and good or as something else when I was at FedEx I tried to be nice with all of my customers and when I was on the road (almost 18 years) I tried to be nice to people I worked for..my audience... because I was in business of entertaining them and they were my customers how someone else runs his business is non of mine...if you wanna laugh at your customers..laugh... Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ www.promatsteelguitars.com [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 15 June 2006 at 12:16 PM.]
Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA	posted 15 June 2006 12:22 PM profile I do agree with your feeling at heart, Damir. I think I would have been embarassed for somebody to see a musician laugh at anybody who wasn't making it at the moment.
richard burton Member From: Britain	posted 15 June 2006 01:48 PM profile Damir, You worry about fellow musicians laughing at wannabe singers, yet you take the piss out of me for putting a legitimate argument in a recent post. With idiots like you pontificating on here, I'm feel that I was correct by deciding to no longer contribute to this forum.
Steve English Member From: Tucson, Arizona	posted 15 June 2006 02:59 PM profile
Donny Hinson Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.	posted 15 June 2006 03:33 PM profile quote: ...will they remember you as a nice and good or as something else Damir, that sounds like you're trying to lay a guilt-trip on those who don't agree with you, and that's neither "nice", nor "good". You're showing less consideration for some of your fellow steelers than you are for some stranger who tried to sing. Remember, part of having a contented soul is accepting others for what they are, and being able to see past their faults and still appreciate them, be they an expressive, talented musician, or some wannabee distressed singer. You could use some work in that area.
Damir Besic Member From: La Vergne,TN	posted 15 June 2006 03:38 PM profile quote: I was correct by deciding to no longer contribute to this forum. at least I did some good to this forum... good bye Richard quote: Damir, that sounds like you're trying to lay a guilt-trip on those who don't agree with you Donny,I don`t wont everybody to agree with me..why? I have my opinion and you have yours,like I said,go ahead and laugh... Db ------------------ "Promat" ~when tone matters~ www.promatsteelguitars.com [This message was edited by Damir Besic on 15 June 2006 at 03:41 PM.]
retcop88 unregistered	posted 15 June 2006 03:50 PM I guess if one needs the work, twenty bucks ain't all that bad ,if one needs the money then 20 bucks is a lot.What one settles for does not always mean thats what he is worth.Lower Broadway is Nashville History and is one of the must see places for tourist.Tourist walk into a club and they are thrilled to see and hear whomever is playing. It is and always was the place a new guy with a guitar on his back usually winds up.In a lot of cases his guitar winds up staying and he goes home but he did expirience Nashville.Thats the key word in this topic.."Expirience" The club owners don't rake it in year round,they have a few weeks a year they can make a few bucks.Then a new owner comes along and its dejez vouiz all over again. It is a shame that through the years with Nashville supposedly having a powerful local union that some of its members have to work for a bathroom cleaners wages.There must not be enough money worth the Unions wild to help their members not have to work less than scale.Wheres the justice? So I guess the guy who sat in and was laughed at has the last laugh.especially if he did not tip ------------------ Jim.Hall MSA D12 3&4 several 6 string Guitars,2 Fiddles and a Kazoo. [This message was edited by retcop88 on 15 June 2006 at 03:57 PM.]
Scott Shipley Member From: Nashville, Tennessee USA	posted 16 June 2006 12:22 AM profile To clarify, the fact that I don't repeat any licks is not necessarily because I have a closet full of em, it's because I can't play the same thing twice.....I'm workin on it though. Thank you Eddie and Vic for being patient with me!! I fully expect them to turn my Sho-Bud into a Sho-Pire one of these Sunday nights.... Btw, I don't want to give the impression that I'm complaining about Fan Fair week or the fans who come here for it. Not at all. Bring em on!! Was just trying to make sure that ALL of the facts were presented, in the interest of being fair, and so that opinions which obviously differ (and that's ok too), could at least be educated ones. And I apolgize for getting testy, it just seemed as if topic drift had started pointing a finger at ALL of the pickers who work down there (when they are not out of town on an artist gig, HEH-HEM), rather than the one stinker. And Damir, I apologize specifically to you. You do not owe me any apology, but it might be nice to give one to the "leftovers" as you dotted, which includes a mighty fine list of players if you ask me. You do realize that John Hughey plays down there too don't ya? Just checkin. BTW, my 13 shift + 2 River Stages week (which nearly kilt me) at Fan Fair last year bought me a Volvo. Not new of course, and it is in the shop right now. We can't all afford to drive the kind of machines that famous steeler up in Hendersonville (near the Italian Grill) does!! Thanks again for letting me be a part of a really fine family here.
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand	posted 16 June 2006 02:43 AM profile I have to state I have met Damir, and he is no idiot, and very nice people. I played his steel in front of him, with a different copedent than I am used to, and he didn't laugh at me. I think the name calling was uncalled for. Among other things he never stated WHO he saw. He purposely didn't. He just layed out the concept and his position on it. He's aginit. So Richard you disagreed and he backed up his reasoning against your reasoning, so now he's an idiot. Right? Not bearing in mind that english is Damir's 2nd language, and sometimes he isn't quite as clear as he wishes. Pretty good generally, but the old world grammer bumps in sometimes. So what. He was saying BE NICE ON STAGE, EVEN TO POOR PERFORMERS, NO MATTER HOW BAD. BECAUSE IT REFLECTS BADLY ON YOU AND THE BAND. Not to mention it's just plain cruel. If this concept makes Danmir and idiot, I wish I had played with MORE idiots in my career
Rick Garrett Member From: Tyler, Texas	posted 16 June 2006 02:50 AM profile "To clarify, the fact that I don't repeat any licks is not necessarily because I have a closet full of em, it's because I can't play the same thing twice....." HAHAHAHAHA!! Man do I know how that feels. One minute the lick is right there....the next it's no longer on the guitar anywhere. I'm still a steel rookie but I don't think I'd laugh at anybody that's trying to have fun singing or picking. I wouldn't want to hurt anybody's feelings and I wouldn't want folks laughing at me if I were trying to sing. Although it would be laughable. Rick
Myron Labelle unregistered	posted 16 June 2006 06:36 AM I think Damir should be commended for pointing out a distasteful thing. I'm sure we all have been or will be guilty of something like that in our lifetime.It does not make the person who was laughing a bad person or a bad musician.Things like this can only be corrected if they are pointed out. It was a mistake,a simple one but mistakes hurt other people sometimes more than the ones who make them.I'm sure somewhere down the line someone will tell the man who tried to sing that that was a mistake too.Otherwise were back to square one on his next trip to Nashville. Close this case. P.S. Richard B. I think your making a wise decision, sorry we could not get a party going for you. Most of us Idiots are just to busy. [This message was edited by Myron Labelle on 16 June 2006 at 06:40 AM.]
b0b Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA	posted 16 June 2006 07:57 AM profile Let's not resort to personal attacks, please. This topic has gone on long enough for everyone to have their say. closed. ------------------ Bobby Lee -b0b- quasar@b0b.com System Administrator My Blog
Bill McCloskey Member From:	posted 16 June 2006 08:08 AM profile The notion of a "cutting" session was what advanced the art of jazz. Charlie Parker learned how to improvise in all keys after being laughed off the stage when he was playing body and soul at the age of 18. I certainly don't know the situation in Nashville, but if someone is no good than laughing at them does one of two things: 1. Forces them to get better. 2. Makes them realize that they are not what they thought they were, saving themselves a lot of humiliation later down the road. Show business as has been pointed out is not for the faint of heart and we shouldn't pretend it is.

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