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Author | Topic: Pervading deleterious pessimism |
Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA |
![]() quote: Right on, Bill Terry. I cannot imagine Bill H. comparing a sax player to a guitar player. Unfortunately, another post has degenerated into a discussion of style as opposed to content. However, it's hard to keep fun out of topics. |
Brint Hannay Member From: Maryland, USA |
![]() Bill, touché! It behooved me to proofread more meticulously, to avoid egregious typographical malformation of the vocabulary employed in this collegial colloquy. More pithily stated, Oops! [This message was edited by Brint Hannay on 22 October 2006 at 09:05 PM.] |
Jim Sliff Member From: Hermosa Beach California, USA |
![]() Bill reminds me of one of my absolute favorite college professors (whose name unfortunately...and embarassingly...escapes me) whose class was " articulation and enunciation" but consisted of him waxing eloquent on various subjects for the entire semester, and giving us a final exam on the one book we were required to read about the actual subject. His lectures were completely irrelevant, but we didn't care because they were simply so damned entertaining. He also caused many a thesaurus to be sold at the campus bokstore. I bet Bill has a few looking in one himself. |
Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
![]() Bill; I, for one, enjoy your prose... Keep up the good work. |
Barry Blackwood Member From: elk grove, CA |
![]() Terry E. I remember as a teenager, the complete lack of topical instructional material. While I was looking to learn 'Crazy Arms' or the like, all that existed were outdated manuals from Mel Bay, Nick Manloff, etc. Some things may never change .... [This message was edited by Barry Blackwood on 20 October 2006 at 06:47 AM.] |
Dick Wood Member From: Springtown Texas, USA |
![]() Can anybody TAB out what Bill says? ------------------ |
Jim Bob Sedgwick Member From: Clinton, Missouri USA |
![]() Does anyone have an extra copy of "Vocabulary for Dummies" ? I would be willing to pay for it. Thanks ![]() |
Chris Walke Member From: St Charles, IL |
![]() I quote authors William Strunk Jr and E.B White, who wrote the legendary grammar & writing manual, "The Elements of Style": "Omit unecessary words. "Vigorous writing is concise. A sentence should contain no unnecessary words, a paragraph no unnecessary sentences, for the same reason that a drawing should have no unnecessary lines and a machine no unnecessary parts. This requires not that the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell." Bill, my man, while your vocabulary is impressive and inexhaustible, it is also beneficial to all readers that it be used with severe economy. |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
![]() Chris Walke, College professors teaching proper English, have been blazing the trail of conciseness since day one. A large class could easily overwhelm the efforts of a named professor to satisfactorily review written material. The imaginary bugbear created by additional work responsibilities, on the part of the teaching staff, accounts for the taylor-made to fit expression, "much too flowery." Should those who profess the precarious belief, that short and to the point is better, try reading ZANE GREY'S, "The Thundering Herd." Draw from his use of the English language. Impeccable, to say the least, including his "flowery" prose. Pessimism can be found to run rampant, unless it is recognized for what it stands for. Attitude adjustments, are monumental gifts, if efforts made to restore positive thinking, produces the desired changes. Energy, temperment, and foresight fit perfectly into a progressive plan, to succeed in steel guitar advancement. |
Terry Edwards Member From: Layton, UT |
![]() quote: But, necessity IS the mother of invention... And invention requires creativity... And there is creativity in Bill's choice of words... Therefore...Bill's choice of words are NECESSARY! |
Ray Minich Member From: Limestone, New York, USA |
![]() Bo Peep's sheep are lost... they'll come home... ![]() |
Chris Walke Member From: St Charles, IL |
![]() Heh-heh. Bill, you're killin' me. Always remember to consider your audience, subject matter, and venue. Flowery prose is wonderful for a novel or a memoir, but for an internet board or an owners' manual, to-the-point creates less confusion, and fewer responses such as we've seen on this thread: "whatever that means!" That being said, if you'd written in a more straightforward way, I wouldn't be chuckling right now. |
Dave Van Allen Member From: Doylestown, PA , US , Earth |
![]() quote: too wordy. I prefer: "Eschew obfuscation." |
richard burton Member From: Britain |
![]() Why is a belief in 'short and to the point' precarious?? And what does it matter if the professor is 'Named' or not?? I just can't understand why Bill's pontifications are so cryptic, it serves no purpose. |
Matt Rhodes Member From: Houston, Texas, USA |
![]() Bill, I'll bet anything that you play as well as you write. |
Colm Chomicky Member From: Prairie Village, Kansas, USA |
![]() Regarding William Strunk Jr and E.B White's advice to use trim and precise verbage, certainly there is a time and place for this. However, some of us would be disappointed if Mr. Hankey took such a sterile approach to his writtings. His hallmark is stepping out of the mud-trodden rut of conventionalism that many of us plod. Formite Emeritus Hankey has carved out his own stylist niche on the Forum. My we continue to enjoy pondering his sage conundrums. [This message was edited by Colm Chomicky on 20 October 2006 at 04:03 PM.] |
Arty Passes Member From: Austin, TX |
![]() I seem to have stumbled upon a meeting of the Professor Irwin Corey Society......... |
Billy Joe Bailey Member From: Jackson, Mississippi, USA |
![]() out of all this confusion looks like somebody could write a hit song |
Mike Shefrin Member From: New York |
![]() [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 17 November 2006 at 06:37 AM.] |
Mike Shefrin Member From: New York |
![]() [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 17 November 2006 at 06:38 AM.] |
Gene H. Brown Member From: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada |
![]() This is almost like "antidisestablishmentarianism" or close to it "whoops" ------------------ |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
![]() There's something over the far horizon, that might be worth your while to know, see and hear. But ya gotta take the long hike to get there. Some people say; I can't walk that far. It'll take too long to get there. So what! I am not strong enough to make it. -------------------------- Some people say : Cool! Lead on McDuff, show me the way! I AM curious, so better check it out. If I don't who will. No path, well I'll hack one outa the jungle. Dang I GOTTA find out about this! No problem, I can do it. I am running outta interests here, Hey I never been there, let's take a look.
I can NEVER play like Buddy or Hal, or Doug. Optimism: I can learn a bunch of stuff, I can figure out something 'out of the box' that Buddy never did, So I can't catch up to him at his game,
If you worry about not having time enough, Well then YOU get nowhere... |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
![]() Well as to Bills erudite style. I do find it energising. For some others it might seem obscuranté, Hankey comprehension study aids; If one of Bill's asseverations compels a lone spirit Regard Bill ipsissimis verbis, Light one candle [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 20 October 2006 at 09:43 PM.] |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
![]() "You are what you eat," was a striking comment that I first heard years ago. I did a double-take to consider the essence of the statement. At first, it came across my thinking processes as merely conjectural nonsense. So determined, were the shouters of health benefits to bring the message to every home in America. As a result, it is accepted as a truth, and those who aptly apply variences of the rule, ultimately concede that good eating habits involves restraint and planning. This is by no means, contrary to the development of an energetic approach to the steel guitar. Pessimism fades with each endeavor to maintain a healthy lifestyle. |
Charlie McDonald Member From: Lubbock, Texas, USA |
![]() quote: My doctor appeared on TV briefly, talking about Americans' eating habits, how they run to 'quick, inexpensive, and convenient. He concluded that most Americans are thus 'fast, cheap, and easy.' I believe the same thing applies to anything that passes through the mouth. With a steady diet of pessimism, one becomes that. I was developing such an attitude concerning pedal steel, due to the many that posted that I shouldn't waste my time on copedant alterations when these experiments have been done, and that I should stick with what's 'tried and true.' I am now a happy camper, happily and busily changing things. I have Reece's LKL, Tommy White's LKR, Paul F.'s RKL, and Buddy's RKR; Jimmy Day's 'B' and 'C' pedals, and am working on one of Bobby Lee's 'A' pedals. Not theirs by design, but by experimentation with how I play. The road not taken is its own reward. And I enjoy reading a post that challenges me to read and read again. English is an art, one that is fading through its misuse. I revel in the remnants of a time when words chosen carefully were better than what was handed me on a plate. |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
![]() You are what you eat, also applys to food for thought. |
Randy Beavers Member From: Lebanon,TN 37090 |
![]() I was thinking about becoming a pessimist, but then I decided it just wouldn't work. We "steel players" have been accused of playing only old material, (the last song I learned was over 280 years old!) Without going to a Billboard or Cashbox magazine, or even doing an internet search, can anyone tell me the #1 song 6 weeks ago? If you can I'm not impressed. |
Doug Beaumier Member From: Northampton, MA |
![]() quote: touché Randy! ------------------ |
Ken Byng Member From: Southampton, England |
![]() In England there is currently a great movement for the use of plain English. That is - jargon free and concise. Many of Mr Hankey's posts have interesting topics that are unfortunately buried by his seemingly obsessional need for the use of obsure and rarely used words. Is it designed to convey intelligence, or is it tongue in cheek fun? |
Ken Byng Member From: Southampton, England |
![]() By the way Bill - I don't suffer from hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. |
Jim Bob Sedgwick Member From: Clinton, Missouri USA |
![]() Randy, I can't even tell you what the number one song is THIS week!! Does that make me a good guy or just an old pharrrt? |
Mike Shefrin Member From: New York |
![]() [This message was edited by Mike Shefrin on 17 November 2006 at 06:39 AM.] |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
![]() Taking the English language for granted, isn't wholly dissimilar to involving oneself in practices of habitual lack of discernment in various life supports. Fresh air, spring water, sunshine, all comprise definitive necessities of everyday life. Bashing the English language, constitutes an interruption in prudent rationale. Again, take the liberty of trying to imagine the plight of lacking the ability to communicate verbally. The loss would no doubt be forever kept far beyond reconcile. To appreciate presenting views, and comprehending responses, with their various inferences can prove to be indispensable. What could be more enjoyable than a conversation of interest with someone possessing a semblance of alacritous command, of the English language? [This message was edited by Bill Hankey on 21 October 2006 at 01:40 PM.] |
David L. Donald Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand |
![]() Not to mention the general dumbing down of language. Re-insertion into the common coloquial vernacular, Like ya know, mebe, hip kinda. Use it or lose it. [This message was edited by David L. Donald on 21 October 2006 at 11:15 AM.] |
richard burton Member From: Britain |
![]() Another necessity of everyday life is time. |
Darryl Hattenhauer Member From: Phoenix, Arizona, USA |
![]() Seriously, Bill. Are you breathing the fumes that emanate from the Mecca at 780 Holmes Road? http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&formtype=address&popflag=0&latitude=&longitude=&name=&phone=&level=&cat=&address=780 +holmes+road&city=&state=&zipcode=01201 ------------------ |
Joe Miraglia Member From: Panama, New York USA |
![]() William H.--Sometimes simplicity is best in music and writing. A captive audience can be lost because they become bored from lack of understanding when the material becomes too complex. Otherwise "Simple is as simple does". Joseph [This message was edited by Joe Miraglia on 21 October 2006 at 04:17 PM.] |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
![]() Joe M., It's nearly impossible to satisfy the special interests of discriminating personages, who wallow in successes, and have tasted little misfortune. First impressions are of great value in this life, and a modest reserve of proper English will enable a listener to make determinations based upon what is aforementioned. Attempting to parry the thrusts of sardonic verbiage is a tricky maneuver. I'd guess that it would be a simplistic world if no one complained. When pedals and knee levers enter through the door, simplicity flies out the window.
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Joe Miraglia Member From: Panama, New York USA |
![]() I give up! ![]() |
Bill Hankey Member From: Pittsfield, MA, USA |
![]() Joe M., Don't give up for the sake of small disagreements. Next to steel guitars, machinists are compelling as friends for their chosen line of work. Their work commands respect. Please allow me to read into more of what you are thinking. I do respect your thoughts on steel guitar related subject matter. Thanks... |
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