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Topic: Another C Diatonic tune-"Estrelita"-Phil Bender
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Gerald Ross
Member From: Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA
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posted 25 May 2004 01:24 PM
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Here's another C Diatonic selection sensitively played by Phil Bender on his Excel non-pedal. The classic "Estrelita".L.T. Zinn joins in on rhythm guitar, Bud Tutmarc on bass. Recorded in 1997 at
the Aloha International Convention, Winchester, Indiana. It's amazing what Phil can do with this tuning. Maybe we can get Phil to chime in and educate us a little bit about this non-standard approach to the steel guitar. Check it out on the Hawaiian Steel Guitar Association website. Estrelita The Great Midwest was, and continues to be the hotbed of Hawaiian music. Go figure... 
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Gerald Ross
'Northwest Ann Arbor, Michigan's King Of The Hawaiian Steel Guitar'
Gerald's Fingerstyle Guitar Website
[This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 25 May 2004 at 01:25 PM.] [This message was edited by Gerald Ross on 25 May 2004 at 05:30 PM.]
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C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 25 May 2004 02:31 PM
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Sounds to me lack he has been listening to JB more than just once't er twice't. Beautiful! Those notes are simply NOT on my diatonic tuned 7 string! I believe this was Speedy West's favorite tune by Jerry. Can't remember for sure. Gerald, again you (and the others) do know how to make an old man cry. Thank you for doing this dear friend, carl |
Andy Volk
Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 25 May 2004 06:21 PM
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Jerry Byrd's Diatonic tuning is rich with possabilities and largely unexplored. Here's some links for newer members re the diatonic tuning include Jerry's arrangment of Cold Cold Heart:
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/002595.html
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum2/HTML/002512.html
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/001124.html
http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum8/HTML/001118.html |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 25 May 2004 06:40 PM
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Awesome, Phil! |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 26 May 2004 06:17 AM
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I have noticed for some time that certain recordings of Jerry Byrd's have an exceptional effect of getting way down inside me and standing my arm hairs up, ...but I've always taken it passively as just certain songs, without much attention to why. After listening to Phil's EMaliuMai and now Estrelita, it has finally occured to me that it's the diatonic tuning in some of Jerry's songs that give me that cheekin skin the most; And both of those recordings by Phil did the same thing. Time to go do some serious woodshedding.Aloha,
DT~ |
Andy Volk
Member From: Boston, MA
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posted 26 May 2004 06:35 AM
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I forgot to add, beautiful playing, Phil!
Denny, in a lot of ways the diatonic is like the Ferarri version of C6th. It requires a high skill level to operate, turns on a dime, goes from zero to 80 in no time. It has a lot of possibilities for jazz playing in my opinion. I started to dig into it (per above) but got sidetracked by plain ol' open D tuning and let the diatonic slip away. |
Jeff Strouse
Member From: Jacksonville, Florida, USA
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posted 27 May 2004 01:14 AM
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I've always loved the Diatonic tuning. It can be spine tingling at times. I try it out every once in awhile, but usually give up after about an hour when I go nuts. It's very different from the strum-type tunings I'm used to. However, I do sleep with that guitar under my bed, so maybe one night with a little osmosis majic, it will seep into my brain...[This message was edited by Jeff Strouse on 27 May 2004 at 01:27 AM.] |
Denny Turner
Member From: Northshore Oahu, Hawaii USA
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posted 27 May 2004 07:23 AM
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Thanks Andy. I can mentally picture that the diatonic has power steering, 12 forward speeds and an overdrive. Guess I'm gonna have to pull out the old Rick 10 string and tease my brain and right-hand fingers open like little debutantes out at the woodshed!Aloha,
DT~ |
Wayne Cox
Member From: Chatham, Louisiana, USA
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posted 27 May 2004 08:58 AM
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A Rickie 10-string? Man,that is overdrive with chrome wheels,AM/FM,mudflaps and all! 
~~W.C.~~ |
Philip Bender
Member From: North Vernon, IN, USA
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posted 27 May 2004 12:35 PM
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Aloha to all,
Thanks for all of the nice comments, and I hope I can continue to work on this great tuning.
It may help a bit if a player would take a song in C6, and using the tabs try to do it in the Diatonic. JBs Diatonic is, From bottom to top, EFGABCE. Jery said he tried putting the D in, but it got in the way. He told me not to try the tuning, because it took to long, and I was probably too old, HE WAS RIGHT. This tuning will drive you nuts, but is worthwhile if you jusy get it a little
right. I love all of the songs I have tried
on it including, Danny Boy, Forever and ever,
Solitude, and Lei Aloha Lei Makamae. I do hope the lord lets me live long enought to get some of them right.
Again, thanks,
Phil Bender |
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