Mac G5 loaded and Logic Pro 7 with (extra processor for the FULL suite of UAD (Universal Audio) plug-ins) plus the resident ones that are found within Logic.. a Lexon PCM-91 and a Yamaha SPX 90 are the ONLY externals (and NOT in use on this mix)
http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/Lookatus.mp3

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The warm close-up approach is what you suggest and I concur, just don't like the Lexicon or the SPX-90, so I'm waiting to get an expansion card that will give me MORE processing with the Universal Audio plug-ins, I have the Full suite, BUT on it's own, the Neve 33609 uses half the power of the UAD card.
I Like the Dreamverb and RealVerb Pro and the Plate 140 is suposedly better than the actual EMT plate it models (Quieter) I don't know so much, I find a little hiss has a subliminal effect.

so far I've managed to accumulate these UAD plug-in's
1176LN
1176SE
Boss CE-1
Cambridge EQ
CS-1
DreamVerb
Fairchild 670
LA-2A
Neve 1073
Neve 1081
Neve 33609
Nigel
Plate 140
Precision EQ
Precision Limiter
Precision
Multband
Pultec EQP-1A
Pultec Pro
RealVerb Pro
Roland
Dimension D
Roland
RE-201

Any comments about any of them ?

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[This message was edited by basilh on 26 November 2006 at 04:13 AM.]

If there were just less send it would work better.
With the steel it's really sweet.

The 300-500 hz range is too loud in the reverb body.
It needs more damping, and eq high pass rolled upwards a bit.

I would also make the pre delay shorter.
The room is too present for the tail.
You can mixe between those ratios I guess.

Time sounds like 2 seconds or more.

In general I like smaller rooms (early reflections) with longer tails,
or bigger rooms with smaller tails, or much lower.

Imagine you are singing on a nice marble pillar patio,
out into a lawn 50 feet over,
that bounces off several cabana's and comes back.

Now think that when designing the reverb.

This sounds too mainly loud a send,
but since it seems to work well for other things,
Maybe adding a different one for a
short room on the lead vocal, with short decay,

and sending this one less would give the closeness,
AND this long warm tail, that works well for the instruments.

Adding another delay on the vocal
mixed to this one can give you
the original longer room reflection,
backed off,
and add the closeness to the long way off feel.

Talking reverbs and reverb philosopies is like;
Asking how do you get great TONE on steel guitar.

By the way I loved your tone.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 26 November 2006 at 09:54 AM.]

Personally, I would go for a vocal plate with a shorter reverb time. As a general rule, reverb times should match the tempo of the song to a certain extent. Longer reverbs tend to wash things out. Start with a reverb preset and tweak it to your taste.

A lot of the warm, close up, classic vocals we have heard over the years have little or no reverb on them oddly enough. Your singer has a nice, rich tone of voice, so I think she should have something to set her voice apart from all the other instruments. As it stands now, the mix sounds like everybody is sharing the same reverb preset.

I like your steel playing too. I wouldn't change anything else in the mix, just the treatment of the voice over.

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UA successfully modeled our three EMTs so well that in a blindfold test we could not tell the difference! Our 500-pound classic plate reverbs are now available to anyone in a...dare I say--plug-in. ““ John Cuniberti – The Plant Recording Studios, Sausalito

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I can tell you that the Neve, Pultec, Cambridge and Fairchild are also so close to the originals that I grew up with.

[This message was edited by basilh on 26 November 2006 at 06:37 PM.]

Roll off the low end or eq the lower mids to taste.

Try to create a intimate room in front of
the 'HALL' the band is in.

Close your eyes and think the sound is
a picture with persepctive.
Let your minds EAR draw the picture for you,
and then you can manipulate that picture.

The compression suggested might help,
but go light with it.
The sound is generally pretty even on her voice.
Watch out for her loudest parts getting strident.
You also might look at EQ before and after the compression.
Each way has very different effects.

I tend to go EQ before compression.
It then boosts the freqs you want,
but then doesn't let them get to out of hand.

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 28 November 2006 at 01:22 AM.]

I'm not saying that the verb over powered the vocal but I am saying that I loved the way it soaked the whole vocal track with a big fat hall sound putting the vocal in a complete different room/hall than the rest of the band.

In years gone by if you listen to the mixes that came out of Nashville you will find that it happened that way a lot.

It seems that todays vocals are more of a mix in a very small room by themselves. They still separate them (vocals)from the rest of the band just not in a great big old hall.

Now mind you that's just the way my tired old ear hears it and it's not the way someone else might hear it :-)

I love the way your vocal sets in the mix so keep up the good work pal!

I'm listening on a computer thru some inexpensive AKG headphones, so there is very little bottom end in the mix. I'm gonna take a look at this mix in Span later this evening, but overall it sounds good.

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Steve Stallings
The Songs

ST = Baz
El Gt = Scott
Fid = Aaron

For me the standout tracks are :-
(IN MY order of preference)
1/. Someday You'll Call My Name,
2/. Bobby McGee,
3/. Look at Us,
4/. Seven Spanish Angels,
5/. Love Play,
6/. If I had My Life etc.

What would be YOUR favourites ?

The ACTUAL Running order is this:-

Don't Be Cruel
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

He'll Have to Go
(Fid)

Listen to the Rhythm of the Falling Rain
(ST)

Look at Us
(ST, Fid)

Lovely Leitrim, Any Tipperary Town, Slaney Valley
(ST)

Seven Spanish angels
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

Wonderful Tonight
(El Gt)

Me and Bobby McGee
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

If I Had my Life to Live Over Again
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

Someday You'll Call My Name
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

Love Play
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

Silver Wings
(ST, El Gt, Fid)

Produced and engineered by Basil Henriques
( I also played bass, Spanish guitar, acoustic rhythms, dobro. Also various other sounds via my midi guitar )
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[This message was edited by basilh on 08 December 2006 at 03:14 AM.]

My fav... "If I had my life to live over again"

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Steve Stallings
The Songs

To me, too much reverb (way more than on these tracks) is forever associated with dozens of third-rate Swedish dance bands (playing their "country music with a German beat") who try to hide their bad vocals and even worse playing by drenching everything in delay and reverb; a sound I find hard to endure. Even Willie Nelson did an album a couple of years ago, that was totally ruined by way too much vocal reverb. If there's a choice between too dry and too wet, I'll take too dry anytime.

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´75 Emmons p/p D10 8+4, '72 AWH Custom D10 8+3, '06 Hybrid Zum SD10 4+5 , Peavey Nashville 1000

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Are you using a deessor of any kind? Sideband?

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Solution, buy a pci expansion bay, BUT beware it MUST be 64 bit or the plug-ins won't work. Over here a 64 bit pci expansion bay costs almost as much as a new G5 .

[This message was edited by basilh on 10 December 2006 at 03:17 AM.]

For me the standout tracks are :-
(IN MY order of preference)
1/. Someday You'll Call My Name

2/. Me and Bobby McGee

3/. Look at Us

4/. Don't Be Cruel

5/. Love Play

6/. If I Had my Life to Live Over Again

7/. Seven Spanish angels

I'd love to hear what Scott or Aaron think.

The reverb on 'Someday You'll Call My Name' is big,
but more like a very nice church or country hall now.
less 'woof' building up in the big room, than before.

'If I had my life', sounds a bit more school aduitorium brightness to the reverb.
But a nice dreamy quality to it.

Don't Be Cruel' has a more laid back reverb, but it DOES resemble that "Sun Sound"
I hear a close, relatively muted front stage,
and then the big room coming back atchya.

I would warmed and brightened the acoustic guitar a bit on it,
but this is nit picking...

Nice job, the client should be quite happy!

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 15 December 2006 at 02:07 AM.]