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Earnest Bovine
Member

From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 20 January 2002 03:01 PM     profile     
Changer movements should not be stiff.
Maybe the extra washer is squeezing it tightly.
Let's hope that the fingers haven't been samshed out of shape, making them hard to rotate.
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 30 January 2002 10:31 AM     profile     
This is for Ed Naylor:

Please respond to my numerous email messages.
Thanks
Peter

Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 30 January 2002 11:05 AM     profile     
For some reason you may not have received my E-Mails. I NEED AN ADDRESS so I can send your parts. Ed
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 02 March 2002 11:46 PM     profile     
Hi Ed Naylor, on the Forum you generously offered to send me free parts for the "Remington" U12.
In January I gave you details which parts were needed and my address.
It is now March and I have not heard from you. I did not receive anything either.
Please respond to my email and let me know what is happening.
Best Regards
Peter den Hartogh

Many thanks again for the great gesture.

[This message was edited by Peter on 09 March 2002 at 11:37 PM.]

Ray Montee
Member

From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 03 March 2002 11:39 AM     profile     
It would appear that we're having a communication problem.......?
Jody Carver
Member

From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever

posted 03 March 2002 02:17 PM     profile     
I bought my first guitar off of a man who was
trying to sell off an unknown line of guitars
He wore a "rumpled" suit and needed a shave.

He was told by the store owner Eddie Bell (then a big Gibson Dealer)NYC to leave the store.
I followed him down the street,,and lo and behold,,he was carrying a funny looking triple neck guitar with a name I have never
heard before,,,the name was FENDER. This was
used as a sample and was defective as far as
the pickups were concerned. It was then that
I wrote to this company Radio-Television Equipment Co, and spoke to a Donald D. Randall. He explained that this was a salesman's sample. From that moment on,,,my life was changed.All because I bought a used
guitar from an unknown person and a never heard of company.

The mans name was Jack Douglas,,obviously trying to sell Fender guitars and finding it very difficult if not "impossible".

If it were not for Jack Douglas,,,I would have never known Leo Fender and Donald Randall,,,,so you see,,,not all stories are
"tales of Horror. This was my LIFE's beginning. To BE Continued in my "Upcoming Fender Book" and many more,,, The year????
1948. The Time?? The Right Time.

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Copyright(c) 2002 by
Jody Carver "All Rights
Reserved

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 03 March 2002 at 05:18 PM.]

Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 03 March 2002 05:15 PM     profile     
My computer has been down for the past 3 weeks. Your parts are on the way. Ed
Damir Besic
Member

From: La Vergne,TN

posted 03 March 2002 06:24 PM     profile     

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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 04 March 2002 at 07:07 AM.]

[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 04 March 2002 at 07:08 AM.]

b0b
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, California, USA

posted 03 March 2002 07:27 PM     profile     
Actually, Gruhn made good on their promise. Their mistake has been corrected to the customer's satisfaction (and mine ). They did the right thing in the end.

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Damir Besic
Member

From: La Vergne,TN

posted 04 March 2002 06:46 AM     profile     
This matter has long since been settled. The prior owner of this guitar who
had it before we did was Steel Guitar Works who conformed that the
instrument was in good condition. The South African customer who received
it wanted it set up for a different tuning and did not know how to set it up
himself. The correspondence posted that you have shown me does not show the
messages from Ed Naylor at Steel Guitar Works who conformed that he was very
familiar with this instrument. The matter has long since been resolved. We
do not claim to be specialists in steel guitars, but we certainly did not
deliberately misrepresent this or any other instrument. If you choose not
to deal with us due to "information" such as this posted on unregulated web
sites that is OK by me.

George Gruhn

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Damir Besic
Member

From: La Vergne,TN

posted 04 March 2002 06:58 AM     profile     
This was an Email from the Gruhn guitars to me.I`m posting that here because it`s fair.I received few Emails where guys from the forum explained to me that it wasn`t Mr.Gruhn`s fault.I see the whole picture now and I`m not suprised at all.I appologize to mr.Gruhn and taking back what I said.
Sincerely,Damir Besic

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BobbeSeymour
Member

From: Hendersonville TN USA

posted 04 March 2002 08:52 AM     profile     
Damir, you are a good man! George, so are you.

Bobbe

Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 05 March 2002 12:19 PM     profile     
Damir, thank you for forwarding Mr Gruhns Email. Unfortunately the information is misleading.

Ed Naylor phoned mr Gruhn and told him that the guitar was in perfect working order. This was not true. It is because of this phonecall that Mr Gruhn did not want to make good on his deal. All he was prepared to do is pay $250 for repairs.

The South African customer (me) received a guitar that could not hold its tuning at all, because the changer was completely gunged up. Then some of the pedals were not connected at all. The guitar pedals played extremely heavy. Then it was not possible to play on the first few frets because one of the roller nuts was the wrong size. It was clear that this guitar had been mistreated. It also became clear WHO mistreated it. This person is doing everything in his power to tell everyone that this guitar is fine (obviously because he worked on it).

The South African victim wanted to "change the tuning". This again is a misleading statement. He just wanted to put the guitar back in its original condition and setup. The fact that this guitar has been mistreated meant that he had to strip it completely and rebuild it. It is not surprising that he had to obtain information from the forum how to do this.

The forum members have been absolute stars with their support and advice. Thank you all! You are incredible! It is for this reason that the South African customer asked Mr Gruhn to send his $250 to the Forum as a donation. This he has done (see b0b's smiley above). Thank you Mr Gruhn. And thank you b0b.

We know NOW(!) that Mr Gruhn is not a specialist in steel guitars, but it was pretty clear that even a novice could see that this guitar was not working. Much later, AFTER the deal was done, a Gruhn staff member sent an email to the customer in which he admitted that he quoted a very high shipping cost to discourage the purchase. Why would he have done such a thing? You draw your own conclusions about pre-meditation.

The guitar is still not in a playable condition. However, THANKS TO THE SUPPORT OF THIS FORUM this guitar may be in good playing condition soon. This has been a long ordeal (3 months) and the victim has learned an awful lot about the mechanics of his guitar.

Jody, thank you for your wonderful story and your previous support.

Ed Naylor has promised to send parts to South Africa for NO CHARGE AT ALL.
(He stated above that he has sent them. I have not yet received the parts.)

Hope this makes everybody see the whole picture.

Peter
(copies of relevant emails are available on request)

Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 09 March 2002 11:39 PM     profile     
Sorry b0b, I still have an upside down PSG as an ornament in my living room. According to a number of forumites this PSG is NOT a Remington, but a forgery. I had to accept a lousy $250 for repair costs because I had no other option. How satisfied do you think I am? Based on the details of this transaction I repeat: "Be careful who you buy a used pedal steel from".

-Peter-


[This message was edited by Peter on 10 March 2002 at 07:23 AM.]

Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 10 March 2002 06:27 AM     profile     
Peter- I am very upset about your post calling the Remington a "Fake".It happens that I know the whole history of the guitar. I got it in trade from the original owner.I sold it and got it back in trade on anothr guitar. I again sold it but added a couple pedals for the new owner. I have been in this business 35 years and to my knowledge never sold a "Fake" guitar. The parts I gave to you are on the way. I feel you owe the forumites an apology. Ed Naylor Steel Guitar Works
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 10 March 2002 07:48 AM     profile     
Ed, thank you again for your great gesture. I am waiting with anticipation.

Ed, I am sorry about my clumsy wording. But from your own description it is clear that this guitar has been bouncing backwards and forwards between owners. As you probably know a good playable instrument usually stays with its happy owner. However, this guitar somehow made its owners want to get rid of it. And, as I discovered, for a very good reason (read this topic). Obviously I do not know what happened to the guitar when it left your shop.

With regards to the authenticity of this guitar, I suggest you take this up with all the forumites who declared that this guitar is not a Remington. I am sure you know who they are, so there is no need for me to pass on this information.

Best Regards and thanks again,
Peter

Damir Besic
Member

From: La Vergne,TN

posted 10 March 2002 07:55 AM     profile     
"I have been in this business 35 years and to my knowledge never sold a "Fake" guitar"
yeah Peter,appologize,what do you think you can get for $1200?a steel guitar?
Damir Besic
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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 10 March 2002 at 08:01 AM.]

Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 10 March 2002 08:23 AM     profile     
Just to clarify things. The original owner traded to me to get a D10.A common practice. The next buyer had a S10 beginner Fender that I initially upgraded to a 3/4. He kept it and bought the Remington. He decided on a new Maple body guitar and traded back to me. Again a normal move. I then sold it outright to a s10 MSA owner and added a couple pedals and knees that he wanted. Another normal transaction. I even added a new Lawrence Pickup. In the year and a half since I last saw this guitar I can't beleive it "Deteriorated" so badly in this time frame. You got a bargain and don't realize it. ED
B.Jenkins
Member

From: Parkersburg, WV...U.S.A

posted 10 March 2002 09:15 AM     profile     
Ed naylor;
After reading the post on this steel, and you telling him that he got a good deal, How can that be, if it has to have a match stick under a roller to hold it up??????????
If he plays any hot licks, it will ingnite and there goes the whole thing up in smoke......
Billy........
Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 10 March 2002 10:21 AM     profile     
In all my years of working on guitars I have never seen "1" roller wear so bad it had to be elevated with a matchstick.The strings that are"pulled" can wear over a period of years. I have worked on old guitars 30 yrs old and never been lubed and they seldom have enough wear to need replacing. Oh well-------it is subjects like this one that keeps people watching the forum for latest news.Ed
Damir Besic
Member

From: La Vergne,TN

posted 10 March 2002 09:06 PM     profile     

btw.I have original Sho~Bud "match stick" if anyone is interested

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Steve Stallings
Member

From: Bremond, Tx, pop 876, Home of the fighting Bremond Tigers

posted 13 March 2002 05:23 PM     profile     
Ed,
Would you be so kind as to post a tracking number for your shipment? I think it would be neat for the forum members to track this generous gesture.

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Bremond, Texas


Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 14 March 2002 05:34 AM     profile     
It went by way of U.S Mail.Ed
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 29 March 2002 07:50 AM     profile     
Hi Ed Naylor,your parts have arrived and I really appreciate the fact you are not charging me at all! I would also like to thank you for the newspaper article. As we in South Africa are very deprived of any info on PSG, this is much appreciated.

Some of the wood-screws, nuts, collars and nylon tuning nuts are exactly "what the doctor ordered". However, the lever-stop, bellcrank and crossbar bushings are not related to this guitar at all and I won't be able to use them without making a mess.

In addition, you mentioned that the pickup is a new Lawrence pickup. But according to an email from Lawrence, the pickup in my guitar is NOT a Lawrence. Forumites tell me it is a Danny Shields pickup (and it sounds great). On close inspection I established that this pickup has been in this guitar from the beginning; it has not been added at a later stage, and it is certainly not new.

Ed, could this mean that the guitar in question is not the same guitar that you are talking about? I mean, the parts are totally different and the pickup is not what you say it is. Maybe this guitar is not a Remington after all. How would I be able to tell? Emailing Herb Remington did not answer this question, so maybe you can tell me how I would recognise a genuine Remington. Someone stuck 3(!) Remington decals on it, but that won't make the guitar genuine.

Ed, you did not send roller nut replacements. What would be the best set to replace them? A set of gauged roller nuts or a set of roller nuts that are exactly the same for all strings, like the early Emmons guitars? And where can I get these?

I just need to take out the final "flaws" by trying to find proper parts.
The parts you did not send me are now made by a local machine shop. The roller nuts I will have to find somewhere else, and I'll order the broken tuning keys from Stewmac.

Peter

Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 29 March 2002 11:51 AM     profile     
Peter-I hate to rehash things but the guitar you have is REMINGTON.The Pickup is a LAWRENCE, originally it had a George L. The pedals are of a type I used on guitars. I have the ones I took off somewhere in storage.I don't know where you are getting your information but they are telling you wrong.Ed
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 29 March 2002 12:13 PM     profile     
Ed, I got my information regarding the pickup from Lawrence themselves. How wrong can they be?
And you have not answered my question: How do I recognise a genuine Remimgton?
But dont worry, it makes no difference in the end, so you don't have to tell me.
Best regards, Peter
Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 29 March 2002 01:14 PM     profile     
LET ME TRY ONE MORE TIME-I have been building and working on Steel guitars for over 40 years. The guitar you have is a Remington. I guarantee it is the only Remington with that type pedal. The Pickup in it was purchased from Lawrence May 24, 2000.I have never installed a Danny Shield PU.By the way- isn't it a coincedence that I can send parts that work if it isn't a Remington????I have tried to help. Since you continue to question my ability and knowledge' I think it is time I stop trying to help you.ED
Bobby Lee
Sysop

From: Cloverdale, North California, USA

posted 29 March 2002 01:37 PM     profile     
I'm starting to think that this isn't the guitar Ed thinks it is. Bill Lawrence knows the difference between his pickups and Shields pickups. Maybe Ed thinks this is a different guitar, or maybe the Shields pickup was put in after it left Ed's shop.

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Ed Naylor
Member

From: portsmouth.ohio usa

posted 29 March 2002 02:15 PM     profile     
I can assure you I know about this guitar.If it has a Shield pickup it is an exact duplicate of the Lawrence.The purchaser I sold it to last had not made any changes he told me.The question now-Who made the changes??????Ed
Peter
Member

From: Cape Town, South Africa

posted 29 March 2002 10:36 PM     profile     
b0b, Ed has gained 5 years of experience on this topic, so I think you better close it.

Peter


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