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Topic: Impact of Fingerpick Thickness on Tone and Speed
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Chuck Martin
Member From: Mc Lean, Virginia
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posted 09 March 2002 06:01 AM
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For years I have been using .020 Dunlop fingerpicks because that's what I started with and also use for acoustic guitar. I've read that many players use fingerpicks that are .025. On other threads the prevailing view seems to be "the thicker the better." I'd like to hear from those of you that have expermimented with different guage picks and get some insight on what difference pick thickness makes (if any) on tone, speed, blocking and dynamic range.
Thanks, Chuck |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 09 March 2002 09:45 AM
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I'm not sure if thickness is the issue. The alloy used makes a diffence, though. I tested a variety of picks, listening in headphones, and discovered that I liked the tone of Nationals the best, with Jeffrans almost as good. The Jeffrans are more comfortable, though.
If the picks are properly bent, I've never noticed a difference in things like speed, blocking or dynamic range. Those things seem to be a function of finger movement, not of the picks.------------------
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patrick donovan
Member From: orange, texas, usa
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posted 09 March 2002 10:32 AM
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I have always used Dunlop .020 brass fingerpicks. Tried others but the Dunlops work best for me. The correct angle of attack is important...and comfort, four hours is a long time if your fingers hurt.Regards, Patrick |
Tim Rowley
Member From: Pinconning, MI, USA
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posted 09 March 2002 09:25 PM
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All right, my $.02. I've tried lotsa different picks, but I like the Jeffran (marked JF) picks way better than the others. I've had my set for several years. Seems like they mike out at about .025. They feel more comfortable to me than the Nationals and give me a better tone than the thinner-gauged picks do. Your mileage may, of course, vary.Tim R. |
Reggie Duncan
Member From: Mississippi
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posted 09 March 2002 10:05 PM
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AMEN on the Jeffrans. |
Kenny Davis
Member From: Great State of Oklahoma
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posted 10 March 2002 09:30 PM
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I recently got some ProPik Reso's, and immediately fell in love with how they fit. They feel broken-in when you first put them on. The "trick angle" is also pretty neat. However, I noticed a "thinner" sound on both pedal steel & Dobro, so I went back to my old Nationals. Use the "Jingle" test when trying out finger picks - Put a pair in your hand, cup them gently, then shake them. If they have a ring, they'll probably sound good. |
jerry wallace
Member From: Artesia , NM - 35 mi from Roswell UFO CITY
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posted 10 March 2002 10:41 PM
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Chuck,I have tried various gauges of dunlops, mainly because this brand are the only ones readily available here in "no where/UFO land"...And they come in .010" up to .025"..Here are my conclusions..The .010" are too light and they bend upon impact with a string.. The next size of dunlop's is .015".. This gauge or the .018" are what I settled on and use. The .020" ,.022", &.025" picks, TO ME, seem to give a muddier, or at least, not as clear of a tone when strikeing the strings.. I have switched back and forth a number of times over the years, to see if what I think I like is still true, or I have just grown used to the lighter gauges.. I always wind up coming back to the .015 or .018..I feel between these two, its a lot dependant of how hard you play/strike the strings..That varies a lot with each individual person.. For me, the thinner picks, are cleaner, sounding and do not "give off" as much pick noise as the thicker.. As far as speed, I see no difference.. ------------------
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[This message was edited by jerry wallace on 10 March 2002 at 10:43 PM.]
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Dave Birkett
Member From: Oxnard, CA, USA
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posted 10 March 2002 10:50 PM
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I think picks are the weak link in the steel guitar setup. |
Dave Robbins
Member From: Nashville, Tnn. USA
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posted 11 March 2002 05:52 AM
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Your attack may very well have a lot to do with the "thickness" of the pick. If everytime you strike the string it is bending, then you probably should go to one that is a little heavier. However, to me, a pick that is too heavy feels uncomfortable and doesn't feel like it comforms to my finger as well. Somewhere in there you'll find a happy medium. Is the pick so stiff that you have trouble getting it to tighten up? Or is it so heavy that once it is tightened it feels like it is cutting off the circulation? Or is it so loose feeling feeling that it feels like it is going to fly off at any moment? These are all things to consider when choosing picks.
For me, a pick is a tool and tone is what I develope with my hands. If I'm not confortable with the picks, it is not going to matter how thick or thin, or how the pick itself sounds because I'm not going to be comfortable and therefore will not be able to play my best or get my best sound. If I'm comfortable, I'll concentrate more on my technique and tone and what I'm playing instead of whether or not I'm in control of my picks. However, I do spend a litle time trying to determine what works best for me and feels best for me. I want a pick that is as tight as I can get it with out feeling like it is crushing my finger. But, I don't want it to feel so loose or so light that I feel like I'm going to loose it. Somewhere there is where I'll find what is going to work for me.Dave |
Joseph V. Sapp
Member From: Fayetteville, Pa.
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posted 11 March 2002 08:27 AM
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Well here goes the od-ball in the crowd !!., I've got in the other direction. When I started pushing pedals, (well over 30 years ago), finger picks were the hardest thing to overcome and get use to. Another player advised me, when I got up in the morning, put them on my fingers, and DONT sit behind the steel for a whole day !!...do your regular things that you normally do, but dont take them off till your ready for bed. Get use to the feel !!!...well I started with Dunlop .013's and have been with them ever since. they are quite comfortable, seem to last darn near forever, and gets the action that I like. I know that I'm a little strange, but what do you expect from a lefty playing a right handed steel !!!Joe
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Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 11 March 2002 10:43 AM
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Herby Wallace sells the best finger picks I've ever tried. Bill Stokes 1941 Showcases. Pre-war nickel-silver. They are expensive but they beat every other finger pick I've tried. Very comfortable with ideal thickness. |
Johan Jansen
Member From: Europe
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posted 11 March 2002 10:45 AM
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Kevin, you are right about the showcase 41. Takes a little time to get used to, but then they become a part of your hand... |
Ken Williams
Member From: Arkansas
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posted 11 March 2002 12:58 PM
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I've always been kinda partial to those old nationals, although I only have a few of them left. I think one thing that effects the tone is the age and wear of a pick. For my personal taste, picks sound better after they have been well broken in, I mean slick as goose grease on the picking surface. In my opinion it doesn't hurt even if they have a slight bevel on the edge of the picking surface. Ken[This message was edited by Ken Williams on 11 March 2002 at 01:00 PM.] |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 11 March 2002 02:27 PM
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Like Bobby says, the shape and material are equally, if not more important than just thickness. The bottom line to me though, is comfort. If they're not so comfortable that you forget you have them on, try something else! Picks should not hurt your fingers...no matter how long you have them on. They should feel like an extension of your fingertip, and not an "addition" to your fingertip.I use Stevens, which are no longer available, but I got plenty when they were. |
Frank Parish
Member From: Nashville,Tn. USA
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posted 11 March 2002 04:11 PM
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I have to agree with Dave on this one but you didn't tell us what picks you're using Dave. I used the Nationals for a long time and still have a bunch around here. I was given a pair of the John Pearse picks and after only a very short time knew these were as far as I was going. These are the high rider picks and are the very most comfortable by far. All the other picks I've use made my fingers sore and I would hate to play some nights. My fingers would turn black too. I don't know what gauge they are but they work and I bought another pair last year and they work too. I'll buy some more the next time I see them. |
Dave Birkett
Member From: Oxnard, CA, USA
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posted 11 March 2002 06:11 PM
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I use Nationals. They're not very comfortable but they sound so much better than Dunlops. Over the years, steels have improved, amps have improved, effects are much better, but picks are just the same. I don't know what one can do to improve them, but it seems they're the last hurdle to overcome. |
John Flewellen
Member From: Poughkeepsie, NY, USA
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posted 12 March 2002 03:15 AM
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Has anyone tried Sammy Shelor Stainless Steel fingerpicks? They were made primarily for banjo players. They are also $30 a pair!!! Alledgedly work well on steel. I haven't tried them yet, but I'm tempted. |
KENNY FORBESS
Member From: peckerwood point, w. tn.
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posted 12 March 2002 06:50 AM
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I'm partial to the OLD Nationals , with the pat. no. 1787136.
First ones I ever used,they form to your finger very well as most of you know.Frank, where did you get the hi-rider John Pearse picks, I haven't tried those.
Kenny |
Waisznor
Member From: Berlin, Germany
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posted 12 March 2002 01:27 PM
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John,
I have two pairs from the "Sammy Shelor Picks", because I use 3 fingerpicks. The shape of the picks is fantastic and comfortable. From the tone I can´t hear a difference to other metal-picks (new Metal-Nationals). I would sell the two pairs for $ 40.0 + shipping, because I used the picks only a few days. I like the sound from my old Nationals a little bit more.
Horst |
John Flewellen
Member From: Poughkeepsie, NY, USA
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posted 12 March 2002 02:49 PM
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Waisznor, thanks for the offer, but I was just hoping to get some feedback as to how people like Sammy Shelor picks for playing steel at this point. Thanks again. |
Winnie Winston
Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ
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posted 16 March 2002 02:16 AM
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I used Nationals when playing banjo, but found that they were not comfy on steel. I tried a few and settled on .018 Dunlops.
The nationals feel too heavy to me...Winnie |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 16 March 2002 09:10 PM
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I never could get used to the Dunlops felt on my fingers. They always felt ready to fall off my fingers. I always went back to Nationals. They sounded the best to me, but were very hard to bend the band around the finger in a comfortable way. My fingers would hurt real bad by the end of a 4 hour gig. Sometimes my fingers would bleed near the cuticle of the finger nail. I had to have then so tight so they wouldn't fall off my fingers. A few years ago, I switched to the Newman picks. Now I have comfort and a good sounding pick and they don't feel like they will fall off..------------------
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Ron Randall
Member From: Dallas, Texas, USA
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posted 17 March 2002 08:20 AM
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Interesting topic.
I have played six string guitar and bass for way too many years. I have been playing dobro and steel for only a year now, and pick comfort is my number one problem. I have experimented with various Dunlop thickness picks, because I can. The Nationals are not for me.
Sometimes I love the sound of a flatpick on the steel.
Where can I find:
Newman
Sammy Shelor
John Pearse
Herby Wallace
ProPick reso's
JeffransThanks, from a rookie.
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Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 17 March 2002 08:37 AM
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Most, if not all the picks you mentioned will probably be for sale at vendor booths at the Dallas Steel Show this Thursday through Sunday, 3/21-3/24. Since you're in Dallas, I know you'll be there, right?  ------------------
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Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 17 March 2002 11:41 AM
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Go to the links page and you will find the links to most of the manufacturers websites for the picks listed.------------------
Carter D10 9p/10k
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DJ Sillito
Member From: Lethbrige, Alberta, Canada
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posted 17 March 2002 01:31 PM
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Chuck,
For what is worth I may be the odd ball here but I like the thinner picks also and I prefer a banjo pick. However I couldn't imagine paying $30 for a pair. Anyways try this for size. Get a pair of Ernie Ball Banjo picks ( cost: no more than $2.00). They are lightweight easy to bend and have a tapered or pointed end. I think they are great. There are thin though and I am not sure of the gauge but when they wear out they are cheap to replace. I have tried BJ , Nationals, Dunlops, and Reso and always come back to these Ernie Ball Picks.
Just my two cents worthDJ Sillito
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David Mason
Member From: Cambridge, MD, USA
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posted 17 March 2002 04:18 PM
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Bending the bands across the back of the picks properly is also really important. The best thing I've found for proper fitting is a pair of round-nose jeweler's pliers - NOT squared off needlenose. It's not a quick adjustment, figure how many hours you're going to wear those picks a week. They don't have to hurt or turn your fingertips blue, it's just a matter of adjustment. |
gary darr
Member From: Childress,somewhere out in Texas
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posted 17 March 2002 06:30 PM
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Does a Fender med. flat pick count? Guess I played six string too long------------------
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PAUL WARNIK
Member From: OAK LAWN,IL,USA
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posted 20 March 2002 06:14 AM
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.020 Dunlaps for pedal steel .025 Nationals for acoustic resos .0225 Dunlaps would be the compromise if I were only able to adjust to one for everything .018 and lighter just dont work for me-I have tried them-I dont hear or feel any difference between brass,nickel silver,or chromed-but getting the proper bend around and angle onto the fingers is important to me-because I pick block alot I do not curl or bend the picks sharply under the finger tip as I have seen many players do-but rather tend to leave them stick out the way that they come when you buy them-I have very large hands-no problem to palm a basketball |
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