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Topic: Flock it?
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 02 April 2002 04:28 PM
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After studying a little about resonance in musical instruments, it occured to me that the pedal steel is the only instrument whose body is usually "flocked". The use of the flocking (and it's requisite adhesive) on the underside of the instrument seems counter to promoting a good resonance in the body. They (manufacturers) pick a wood known for its sound quality, and then proceed to to deaden it by applying this stuff. I suppose it's done for purely for visual aesthetics, so has anyone done a study to see how much resonance (sustain) we lose due to this procedure?Whose idea was it, anyway?  (Yes, I do expect a few light-hearted responses.) |
Peter Siegel
Member From: Belmont, CA, USA
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posted 02 April 2002 04:47 PM
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The first flocked guitar was created by Nicholas "Buddy" Claus, whose owned a combination guitar shop and christmans tree lot back in 1969. One dark December night while attempting to put an extra layer of pink flocking on a customer's tree, there was a mysterious explosion. After the police and firefighters left, Nicholas returned to his guitar shop, where he found that several of his steels, which were inverted on his workbench, had become covered in residue from the explosion. Being an adventurous type as well as a fan of anything flocked pink, he plugged one in and tried it out. The rest is history. |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 02 April 2002 04:48 PM
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Red flocked guitars sound better.
-John |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 02 April 2002 05:06 PM
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I have deleted my post as my comments were
irrelevant to this thread. Sorry.[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 02 April 2002 at 08:52 PM.] |
Pete Burak
Member From: Portland, OR USA
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posted 02 April 2002 05:06 PM
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Do any builders besides Emmons do this?
Are the LeGrandes flocked too or just P-P's?
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RON PRESTON
Member From: Dodson, Louisiana, USA
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posted 02 April 2002 05:19 PM
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Pete, Every Emmons I ever saw, Regardless of what year it was made, was Flocked. The oldest of the Emmons were Flocked Red, But, I am not sure when they started Flocking them BLACK...I bet either Brian Adams or Jack Strayhorn or even Buddy would know when they changed over. |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 02 April 2002 05:36 PM
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I have a MSA Classic D10 SS and the bottom is not flocked.
Just pure maple wood. I like it that way, and it just MIGHT have a small effect on the tone. Who Knows?...al  |
Bill C. Buntin
Member From: back at home in Cleburne, TX
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posted 02 April 2002 07:02 PM
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I've wondered this too. For a long time, I've thought that the flocking was to cut down on noises made by the mechanics. |
Tom Jordan
Member From: Santa Maria, CA, USA
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posted 02 April 2002 07:25 PM
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I'm also just guessing...I'm with Bill that I assumed that it helped to dampen the mechanical sounds. Especially on old guitars that sent alot of cabinet noise through the pick up. My Sierra U12 has red felt glued to the underside. Since this body is a solid (and heavy) aluminum extrusion and is anodized, I wouldn't think that you would just waste time by covering it for cosmetic reasons.Tom |
Jody Carver
Member From: The Knight Of Fender Tweed~ Dodger Blue Forever
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posted 02 April 2002 08:23 PM
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Bill & Tom
You are both correct,,it does cut the noise of the undercarriage down considerably.Bill,,,,will contact you this week re the leg
pedal pouch. Been busy,,I have been making
films,,,,X Rays....will get with you for certain. |
Mike Weirauch
Member From: Harrisburg, Illinois**The Hub of the Universe
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posted 02 April 2002 08:58 PM
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Donnie, can we all watch you flock your guitar? Smiley wants a pup from that litter also! |
Bill Crook
Member From: Goodlettsville, TN , Spending my kid's inheritance
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posted 03 April 2002 04:31 AM
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Mike Weirauch......You are demented !!!!! |
Earl Foote
Member From: Houston, Tx, USA
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posted 03 April 2002 04:34 AM
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In the book, Methodology & Practice in Pedal Steel Guitar, page 15: The flocking serves to enhance appearance & covers the vapor barrier placed on the maple.
EF |
Richard Plummer
Member From: nashville tennessee
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posted 03 April 2002 06:27 AM
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Has anyone ever torn out the felt to see if the tone of the guitar is still the same? |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 03 April 2002 06:34 AM
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Richard, it's not felt, which is a fabric. Flocking is a sprayed material made from very short wool (or some other material) fibers that adheres to a glued or painted surface. Like paint, it must be sanded off.Yes, the best sounding guitars have red flocking, but not because the color of the flocking is red.  ------------------
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Bob Farlow
Member From: Marietta,GA,
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posted 03 April 2002 08:05 AM
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Cosmetic? Who the flock is going to look at the flocking flock anyway? |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 03 April 2002 08:14 AM
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I recently flocked my bar and picks but I still seem to get noise from them! 
Uff-Da! |
Jeremy Steele
Member From: Princeton, NJ USA
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posted 03 April 2002 08:43 AM
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I have a standard Emmons push-pull S-10 with flocking(black), and a student model push-pull with "nekkid" wood. FWIW, I greatly prefer the sound of the "unflocked" guitar. |
Frank Venters
Member From: Peru,In,USA
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posted 03 April 2002 06:41 PM
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I'm slowly restoring an old Miller Dbl 10 and it had red flocking.So I started calling around different fabric stores for flocking material and when the women wounder answer the phone, well you can imagine what they thought when I asked for flocking.What a hassel, until I told them it was put inside of flip open eye glass cases. They finally settle down and laughed. I found some flocking material from a company in Montana, got the flocking (red), the applictor, and the adhesive to apply it, now I'm trying to get the nerve to apply it.The guitar was originally red with yellow necks and I'm doing in in the same colors. |
Bill Hamner
Member From: Hueytown,AL USA
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posted 04 April 2002 06:37 PM
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Frank, I attempted to send you an e-mail but it was returned undeliverable at the address
listed above your post. Contact me.
Bill |
Reggie Duncan
Member From: Mississippi
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posted 04 April 2002 10:47 PM
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Erv.....I'm still laughing! I laughed so hard I almost swallowed my bar! It turned cold down here and my bar was cold. I saw this saxophone player put his reed in his mouth once. So, I tried it! I just won't go to the forum next time! Sorry, b0b. |
Fred Layman
Member From: Springfield, Missouri USA
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posted 06 April 2002 07:46 PM
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Derby steels have flocking. You can get flocking from Constantine in Brooklyn, NY. |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 13 April 2002 09:39 PM
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I bet that red flocked guitars sound better then black ones...or pink...or..hmmm------------------
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CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 14 April 2002 01:56 AM
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What are the materials used for flocking ?
it was usually Abestos until it was discovered to be a health hazard.
what has replaced it ?
Steel wonderin'... |
Joe Henry
Member From: Ebersberg, Germany
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posted 14 April 2002 04:34 AM
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Asbestos??? Guess I can consider myself lucky that none of my two steels is flocked...
I havenīt had an occasion to look closely at many newer steels, is it really "usually" done, as Donny says? I canīt help but think that it takes away something from the natural resonance of the wood. Maybe thatīs why I like the sound of my guitars better than many new ones that Iīve heard. |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 14 April 2002 08:06 AM
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The other day a nice guy on the street told me to go flock myself. I wanted to pick his brains on just how I ought to go about it but my girlfriend grabbed my arm and (ouch) suggested that we keep walking.
Any thoughts on the best materials to use?
Donny? |
Rick Collins
Member From: Claremont , CA USA
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posted 14 April 2002 10:14 AM
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Jon Light wrote: quote:
The other day a nice guy on the street told me to go flock myself.
Jon, it has occured to me that you may have misinterpreted the (nice?) guy's intent. Did by any chance the guy have broken English or maybe speak with a lisp? Rick |
slick
Member From: Calhoun Georgia
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posted 14 April 2002 04:27 PM
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My 76 MSA has been flocked,feels like felt flock.Was it felt flocked at the factory or
did someone flock it with felt after it left
the factory?If it was felt flocked after it left the factory,i wana know who has been flocking my MSA!!!Reggie,please dont put your bar in your mouth.Anyone else have an MSA with black felt flocking?Wayne |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 14 April 2002 05:12 PM
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Mine is black flocked also. By the way, wasn't that a Fogarty song? "Ah seeee the blaaack felt flockin'. Ah seeee that trouble's on the way..." (Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.) [This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 14 April 2002 at 05:12 PM.] |
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