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Topic: Mullen vs. Emmons
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Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 30 April 2002 06:39 PM
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Maybe this has been hashed out before but what are your opinions on these two. If I want a modern guitar to do the best version of a classic Emmons sound, which one can do it better, A Lashley Legrande II or III in mica, OR a Mullen in mica? Now regardless of having something close to a classic Emmons tone, how do the two compare both sonically and mechanically? Thanks Brad Sarno
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Steven Welborn
Member From: Ojai,CA USA
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posted 30 April 2002 07:47 PM
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I'm not real high on the food chain on this forum, but I consider Mullen and Emmons as apples and oranges. I owned a '95 mica Mullen. Mullens' machanics are terrific. Soundwise I think the two makes are very far apart. I cant speak for lashleys. I prefer the classic Emmons sound. I'll bet there'll be no shortage of interesting opinions and good descriptions to unfold on this thread so I'll leave it there. (Mullen sound wasnt what I was after but Day and others sure sound great on their Mullen don't they!)  [This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 30 April 2002 at 08:47 PM.] |
KENNY KRUPNICK
Member From: Grove City,Ohio
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posted 30 April 2002 08:28 PM
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I played beside of a fellow down in Virginia about two years ago,and he played a Mullen thru two amps. It had a sound of a Sho~Bud I thought. Great sounding steel guitar. I would own a Mullen guitar. |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 30 April 2002 08:41 PM
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I used to own a Mullen... in fact, I've owned 3 Mullen guitars. They are wonderful instruments and operate close to flawlessly. And they sound nothing like an Emmons, IMHO. They are closer to a Sho~Bud sound, but still they really sound like... a Mullen.IMHO, the modern guitar sounding closest to an Emmons, other than an Emmons, is either a Fessenden with E-66's, or a Zumsteel. Your mileage may vary, but that's what my old wore-out ears tell me. I will also add that I have 6 Emmons guitars from 1964 to 1966, and they all sound different. ------------------
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B Cole
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posted 30 April 2002 09:32 PM
Herb I put you real high one the list of folks to listen to. Anyone who can hang in there with Rick Price is real high on that list. And I agree with you on the Fessy. I just got a new Fessy single 10 on a double frame with 3 and 6 the only diffrence is I have the L-710-8 in mine and I have an older D-10 Emmons P+P and it sounds so close that it is scary. But would you really want all guitars to sound like an Emmons? I know I wouldn't this Is just my opion which means next to nothingBill Cole |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 30 April 2002 09:47 PM
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BCole, thanks for the compliments. As to sounding like an Emmons, if someone's got an Emmons, probably a different sound would be in order for another guitar. I had the Emmons sound in my head when Jerry built me my first Fessy, and the E-66's got it for me. He then built me another guitar that had Danny Shields Crap Traps in it. Nice, but no cigar... didn't dig the sound at all. Then Jerry built my rosewood/maple guitar that I still own. Had an E-66 on E9 and a 10-1 in C6. The sound was not balanced and the 10-1 had to go. Another E-66 on C6 made it and that's where it remains. Frankie Caruso played that guitar at ISGC two years ago and it sounded like Buddy's "Blade." Frankly, I was shocked... Bobby Bowman had always told me it was a good sounding horn, but I'd never heard it off the bandstand . Jerry is adding a 9th pedal to it as we speak. Maybe I'll get it by ISGC this year. ------------------
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B Cole
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posted 30 April 2002 10:07 PM
I must say Jerry is going to be a builder to be reconed with and not so far away I know I love my new Fessy if I could just figure out how to shorten the LKR travel lowering the E's I am working on it is getting better but not where I want it yet. I played a Carter and it only moed about an inch or less but it will work out I'm sure you have a great dayBill Cole |
Rusty Hurse
Member From: Hendesonville, Tn
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posted 01 May 2002 05:51 AM
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Well Brad the Emmons and Mullen guitars are both great guitars.You should consider a Derby if you want a P/P sound in an all pull guitar.I played Emmons P/P for years and I went to an all pull guitar in 98 which was a Derby.I still have a P/P but it is only for sentiment now.I had several all pull guitars in the past 4 LeGrande guitars but never could get what I wanted and always went back to the P/P.When I played a Derby in 98 I said now this is what I am looking for.There is quite a few of us old P/P players who have switched to the Derby so that should tell you something right there.I think you just need to try several guitars to see what you like.Everyone now builds good guitars and like I have said you wont get a LEMON in anything you get.NO two steel guitars sound the same and never will because there are two may factors involved in the process.Each guitar has its own unique sound and when you find one you like you better hang on to it.Buddy has the BLADE but I got the SCALPEL! LOL |
Rusty Hurse
Member From: Hendesonville, Tn
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posted 01 May 2002 06:11 AM
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Now that I have told you about SAPHIRE THE SCALPEL a black Derby.I have a natural top mica with a blue marbel front and back that is the PROCESSOR.It slices, dices,chops and anything else for all your musical needs. |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 01 May 2002 07:34 AM
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I think Buddy Emmons does most of his playing these days on a LeGrande III so this should tell you something.
Uff-Da! |
Earl Yarbro
Member From: Bowie, Texas, USA
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posted 01 May 2002 07:34 AM
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My old ZB has a couple of cigarette burns on the top. Talk about character, now it has some. One of the previous owners must have been a chain smoker. Maybe thats one of the elements of it's great tone. |
Rusty Hurse
Member From: Hendesonville, Tn
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posted 01 May 2002 07:46 AM
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Well Erv GRANDDADDY has played a DERBY before too and I think he might have like it TOO! He sure SOUNEDED on it on some sessions in the studio! But he could play a cigar box with strings on it and SOUND on it TOO! |
B Cole
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posted 01 May 2002 08:50 AM
Hey Rusty I do think you been a little close to the ether bottle. But your are right Emmons could pull barbed wire accross a tree stump and sound greatBill |
Larry Phleger
Member From: DuBois, PA
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posted 01 May 2002 09:20 AM
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Give the Carter with BCT a try! |
Marc Friedland
Member From: Vallejo, CA
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posted 01 May 2002 11:03 AM
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Never mind! By the title of this thread I thought it was an advertisement for a professional wrestling match. And when the topic starters name looked like a shortened version of Bruno Sammartino, a famous wrestler, I just couldn't resist. -- Marc |
Stephen Gambrell
Member From: Ware Shoals, South Carolina, USA
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posted 01 May 2002 12:52 PM
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When I was going through my"What kind of steel guitar should I buy" thing a couple of weeks ago, I got a lot of responses. I was looking at a Carter at the time, and I still think they are GREAT guitars. But, especially in private e-mails, people would say--"try a(insert brand name here). Sounds just like an Emmons. Nobody said, "Sounds like a Derby, Sierra, GFI, MCI, ASPCA....whatever. So it seems Emmons is the yardstick by which other steels are measured.
P.S. I bought an Emmons. |
Gary Lee Gimble
Member From: Gaithersburg, Maryland
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posted 01 May 2002 01:24 PM
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Here's my 4 bits worth, just don't chew your cud over it more than three times. Buddy Charleton said I'm getting a good sound out of my HWP Mullen and he doesn't speak with a forked tongue. There you have it! Need change?Gary Lee |
Rusty Hurse
Member From: Hendesonville, Tn
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posted 01 May 2002 01:55 PM
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You BOYS just dont pay attention! I said in my post that every guitar has it's own unique sound.Derby has it's own unique sound which I personally think is better than what I had.Maybe it is OLD AGE and my hearing is getting worse but I tend to think it is better.Sometimes age seems to add to matureity and my tone and sound has matured.I just want the players to find a good comfrtable guitar that they like and it doesnt matter what model you buy.The main thing is learn to play it in TUNE with a TONE YOU LIKE!Dale makes a great guitar and so does Ron Jr.Like I have said you are not going to get a LEMON with what ever you buy!Steel guitars have come a long way in 50 years,and so have the players. |
Rusty Hurse
Member From: Hendesonville, Tn
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posted 01 May 2002 01:57 PM
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This INDIAN does not speak with forked tongue either! |
Gary Lee Gimble
Member From: Gaithersburg, Maryland
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posted 01 May 2002 02:11 PM
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This tribesman's tongue was just recently tainted with a huge goblet of Domaine Jean-Louis Chave from the Appellation of Hermitage. Too young to savor, but oh well! ooops, drifted off topic......oh well again
Gary Lee |
kyle reid
Member From: Butte,Mt.usa
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posted 01 May 2002 07:07 PM
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Who's Dale? |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 01 May 2002 07:09 PM
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Garry Lee- The HWP Mullen D10 is not the regular model sold as the Royal Precision.Herby told me that Model is exclusive to the HWP, that he sells.
According to him, It has a different body structure, changer, pickup , etc, to suit him. If you want one you can order it from Herby Wallace...al
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Johan Jansen
Member From: Europe
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posted 02 May 2002 01:11 AM
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If you want a Emmons-sound, buy a Emmons. Don't ask from a horse to behave like a cow and the other way around.
A Mullen sounds like a Mullen and a Emmons like an Emmons. And a Derby like a Derby.
Johan (Derby D10 8&8 )[This message was edited by Johan Jansen on 02 May 2002 at 01:12 AM.] |
Nick Reed
Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 02 May 2002 02:07 AM
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There is NO comparison! There's only 1 brand that stands out from the rest, and we know what that is. . . . .don't we boys NRMy Website:
http://personal.bellsouth.net/bna/a/m/am1070/page12.html |
Gary Lee Gimble
Member From: Gaithersburg, Maryland
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posted 02 May 2002 05:05 AM
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James Smith
Member From: Carthage,TN USA
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posted 02 May 2002 05:39 AM
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Does Mullen have split tuning or a counterforce lever ? Also..... what Nick said.... |
Gary Lee Gimble
Member From: Gaithersburg, Maryland
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posted 02 May 2002 06:36 AM
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yes & no |
louie hallford
Member From: denison tx
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posted 05 May 2002 10:31 PM
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Have had both .The Mullen was a u12 ,the Emmons was/is D10 8&5.I bought the Emmons planing to go back to a double neck. After buying the D10, I could not make up my mind which I wanted to keep, so I put both of them up for sell. The Mullen,probably because it was least expensive, sold first. That is another comparing oranges and apples. I had less string breakage on the Mullen than any of 5 steels I have owned and the mechanics were tighter and quiter than any steel I have ever owned.I was happy with it in every way.I am not unhappy at all with my Emmons,just trying to fairly give you my opinions. Finally,though I have never owned one,The Zum is the tightest and quitest steel I have ever played. As already mentioned,don't worry about it,there are at least 5 or 6 good choices you could make with no regrets. |
Brad Sarno
Member From: St. Louis, MO USA
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posted 09 May 2002 01:31 AM
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What about tone? Mullen vs Emmons. Tone, timbre, voice, etc. Brad Sarno |
Ray Walker
Member From: Smithfield, NC, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 04:15 AM
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I believe that tones and different sounds are great things. Difference is the point I make. The artist will make it sound the way his or her heart tells them to. I have heard great musicians pick up 10 cent instruments and make em sound better than I thought was ever possible. Put two guys with two separate Emmons' side by side and listen to the difference. Same guitar just different hearts. I bought an MSA with 10 strings one neck and 12 on the other. Learning to play the thing and then listening to the greats I just knew that the sound(TONE) coming from mine was inferior. I also played with a buddy of mine Skip Mertz.. who plays an Emmons and envied the sound his (Guitar) made. Wrong wrong wrng.. Skip just plays a good steel and has a good heart in it when he plays. He can make the 10 cent guitar sing. I recently purchased a Mullen D-10. Boys does it sound good. Was going to sell the MSA to help lesson the burden of all that money in a steel. The MSA is a great guitar ...it just has a different tone and who knows...someday when I get really good I'll set em both up and switch off and have some fun. I love the sound of both now. I love the sound of an Emmons. Hell I love steel guitars. Well boys that's my unqualified 2 cents worth but if ya don't use it all...don't look for any change.
Ray Walker
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Ray Walker
Member From: Smithfield, NC, USA
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posted 09 May 2002 04:19 AM
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Oh...by the way. If ya think the MSA doesn't sound good Listen to some of Ty Herdon's older stuff. Jim Lindsey played the MSA I now own for Ty. That MSA is a hoss in the hands of a pro... Just that it ain't in the hands of a pro right now(hehe) |
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