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Larry R
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From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 14 October 2002 07:39 AM     profile     

Ok, I received the Weldon Myrick-Hal Rugg instruction with tape on how to play the Magic Lick which will work with almost any chord progression in the key of G. Since this lick starts on the 15th fret and works it's way all the way down to the first fret, How do I transpose this lick in the key of D or C? To start the lick at the 22nd fret in the key of D will almost peel the paint off of the wall not to mention it probably wouldn't be too tasteful. Same for key of C at the 20th fret. You guys that know this lick, how is it possible to play this lick using the same principle as used on the instruction?

Larry Reynolds

Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 14 October 2002 08:27 AM     profile     
You start the lick on the no-pedals fret position for whatever key the song is in. Key of A = fret 15, key of D = fret 10, etc. The complete speed pattern will not be available in all keys because you'll "run out of frets", so you play whatever part of the pattern is available. You play sections of the pattern. For the key of D, start on fret 10 and play the pattern down to fret 3. It will sound great over chord changes. It's just a major scale running down through the frets on strings 5, 6, and 7. It sounds like a "parellel scale" because it loops up and down through the scale at various points. It's more about learning a style than an exact riff, in my opinion.

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Gere Mullican
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From: LaVergne, Tennessee, USA

posted 14 October 2002 08:28 AM     profile     
I think that lick is called the "3 string, 2 finger, 1 pedal lick. I worked on that sucker for many many months and never could get it perfected all the way down Maybe down a couple of moves. Weldon showed it to me while I sat on his amp and I still couldnt comprehend. I hope you have better luck than I did. And since my steel has been stolen I don't have anything to practice on now.
Gere
Jim Cohen
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From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 14 October 2002 08:28 AM     profile     
Well, try it out starting at the 22nd, and watch carefully what positions it passes through on it's way down the neck. Then find a suitable spot in the middle to get started and work your way down from there. (And then back up!)
Larry R
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From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 14 October 2002 09:15 AM     profile     
The lick itself is not the problem. But running out of frets is. Doug, where would I pick up the D scale once I get to the 3rd fret? Jim, I heard you. I'll try that tonight.

[This message was edited by Larry R on 14 October 2002 at 09:16 AM.]

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 14 October 2002 10:06 AM     profile     
quote:
"where would I pick up the D scale once I get to the 3rd fret?"

You can finish the entire phrase in D by using the other lower strings.

You start at the 10th fret, play the lick down the neck, at the 2nd fret you've "run out of frets" so you depart from the written lick but play the needed notes on the next lower strings.

It can all be done using frets 2 and 3, no pedals, on strings 6 thru 10.

Of course you could reverse the lick and go back up the neck when you run out of frets, probably ending on the 5th fret AB pedals.

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 14 October 2002 at 10:08 AM.]

Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 14 October 2002 10:55 AM     profile     
It's important to realize that 'the lick' is several different ideas than can and SHOULD be looked at -- and used -- separately. The PRINCIPLE is the thing. I don't think I've ever actually played that lick on stage from one end to another, but rarely do I play an uptempo E9 solo without using bits and pieces of it.

As illustrated it starts, as Jim points out, in the no pedals position. For G this is the 15th fret. If you're comfortable starting as high as the 20th fret, you can play it from start to finish from F# (14th) up to C or D (20th-22nd).

The BEAUTY of the lesson is that it's actually going through the no pedals position, down through the A+B position (in G on the 10th fret) and the A+F (6th) and down to the octave lower no pedals at the 3rd. Figure out how to use the pattern to navigate between all of these positions. That's where the real value is in this concept.

When you've done that, start looking for other patterns that join the 3 main E9 positions -- remember there's another one too -- the Eb lever two frets below the A+B. A lot of speedpicking is built on these ideas.

And, (almost) needless to say, find a way to go UP or DOWN and practice both.

The other thing is to think about using the pattern to navigate between a I and IV chord or I and V chord.

Just some ideas.

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2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 14 October 2002 at 10:57 AM.]

Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 14 October 2002 04:40 PM     profile     
Like Joey said, you can finish off the scale using the lower strings on frets 3 and 1, etc, but there is no need to play the entire scale from end to end. As Larry said, use "bits and pieces" of the pattern for speed licks. That's how I approach it too. Remember this riff is for speedpicking and it must be played rapidly, so jumping to other strings and involving other levers or pedals is not the idea with this riff. The idea is to keep the motions simple, and on 3 strings only, using 1 pedal only. There is a lot of bar motion involved. Believe me, if you can play through 7 frets of this pattern rapidly over chord changes you'll turn a few heads. There's no need to play the entire length of the scale in a solo.

Once you learn the pattern as written, play short sections of it up, down, mix it up. It all blends with the relative chords in a given key.

Also... 3 frets up is the minor scale. If a song is in the key of G minor, start the pattern on fret 18 and wind it down to fret 6. You won't believe the sound over chord changes in the key of G minor!

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Bob Snelgrove
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From: san jose, ca

posted 14 October 2002 04:52 PM     profile     
Doug

Didn't you cover this in one of your articles in one of the magazines years ago? I have the Weldon record, can't find the tab, can't find your article, and am going crazy trying to fill in a few of the missing holes? What mag was that in?

thx

bob

Bob Snelgrove
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From: san jose, ca

posted 14 October 2002 05:12 PM     profile     
oops

[This message was edited by Bob Snelgrove on 14 October 2002 at 05:14 PM.]

Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 14 October 2002 10:08 PM     profile     
Bob,

I covered speedpicking in a couple of articles in SGW magazine, but I never reproduced the riff in question note for note in any of my writings. I teach similar patterns and parts of the riff in my Advanced Speedpicking tablature/CD.

Weldon Myrick used the lick in his tune "Hot Foot". The tablature for "Hot Foot" appears in DeWitt Scott's Anthology of Pedal Steel Guitar, a Mel Bay publication. The original tab and cassette of this speed pattern are available from Scotty's Music for only $12: The Amazing Speed Picking
Course / Weldon Myrick & Hal Rugg

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 15 October 2002 07:48 AM     profile     

All, you've been most helpful. Joey, I tried the last half of the lick on strings 6-10 like you said. It works. It's nice to know that I can complete the lick on those strings in the event that I'm in C or D scale. Doug, I didn't think about using the minor scale as you mentioned. Thank you very much for the tip.
Bob Snelgrove
Member

From: san jose, ca

posted 15 October 2002 08:54 AM     profile     
Doug,

I didn't mean to imply that you had published the lick. It was "in the style of"

I went through all my SGW mags and found speed picking Pt.1, but that's not it. You don't remember what issue do you?

thx

bob

Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 15 October 2002 09:38 AM     profile     
quote:
"It's nice to know that I can complete the lick on those strings in the event that I'm in C or D "

I sometimes use that pattern to complete the lick when there are lower frets available. For example, in the key of G when I want my next notes to come out of the C (8th fret) chord.

It's good practice too. Learning to play stuff you already know in new positions is an excellent learning experience.

Wayne Cox
Member

From: Chatham, Louisiana, USA

posted 15 October 2002 10:34 AM     profile     
Re:LARRY BELL,
Do you ever feel like no one is listening? I read your comments and agree completely!
W.C.
Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 15 October 2002 11:40 AM     profile     

Wayne, you may have meant something else by your statement but I did read Larry B's comments and agree entirely with him. I did not mention Larry B. specifically because of the interest in time and keystrokes but did address my latter post to ALL that replied and I do appreciate ALL's comments.
Be Blessed.

Larry R.

Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 15 October 2002 12:00 PM     profile     
Larry B., I don't have the material, so I have no idea what this lick is. Can you explain what the principal of this magic lick is? Is it about connecting all the positions together? Is it about a repeating picking pattern at each position? What's the principal? Thanks .. Jeff

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 15 October 2002 at 12:01 PM.]

Doug Beaumier
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From: Northampton, MA

posted 15 October 2002 09:37 PM     profile     
Bob, Check SGW, Vol. 3, Issue 18, p. 27, "Speedpicking #2". There is a very similar pattern in that article.

Jeff, it's an E9 speedpicking pattern on strings 5,6, and 7 using only pedal B, running down the fretboard through 14 frets. It's based on the major scale and blends with the relative chords in a given key. The tab/cassette came out about 25 years ago under the name "Amazing 3 string, 2 finger, 1 pedal lick", or something like that. Tab and cassette are still available from Scotty's Music for only $12: The Amazing Speed Picking
Course / Weldon Myrick & Hal Rugg

Playing the lick note for note is not as important as learning this style and using parts of the pattern in your solos.

[This message was edited by Doug Beaumier on 15 October 2002 at 09:39 PM.]

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 16 October 2002 06:00 AM     profile     

I can do the lick from that start and working down the neck but going back up the neck is confusing. Would I reverse the lick note for note. Could someone tab that? I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly.
Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 16 October 2002 08:17 AM     profile     
Larry,
The point is IT DOESN'T MATTER how you reverse it. How you do it is how you do it -- reflects your own personality and style. Just figure something out using the same notes that were used going down and use them going up. It doesn't matter how you use it to connect positions -- just that you use only the notes of the major scale for the key you're playing in. All that matters is that you find a musically interesting way to go, for example, from G / no pedals / on fret 3 to G / A+B / on fret 10. There are almost unlimited possibilities. The lesson is in the QUEST.

Basically, this lick is an example of a tool of improvisation (or 'speed picking' if you wish) to be able to navigate among the three or four primary pockets on E9. In G, there's one at the no pedals position (fret 3), at the A+F (6), Eb lever (8) and A+B (10). The 'game' is to connect the positions in as musical and interesting a way as possible.
For example, dissect it into two measure sections and see where the bar is.

1-2 hang out on 15
3-4 take you from the NP(Fret 15) positions to the AB (Fret 10) position
NOTE: M3-4 (including the 3 8th note pickup notes) represent a great way to go from the No Pedals position DOWN to the A+B position.

Then, look at how it navigates from the A+B down to the octave lower NP position. The beauty of doing it yourself is that you instill some of your own personality into what you come up with. It's called GETTING YOUR OWN STYLE. All good players have one.

Finish the other measures with a similar analysis (where did you start? where did you go? what positions did you go through? can you 'get off' at one of those positions for a little 'excursion' and hop back on?)

Anyone who approaches steel guitar by only copying someone else's work note for note will never get a style. This is one way to begin: Take a brilliant player's idea and figure out how he used it and then don't use it that way. Use it YOUR way.

IF YOU BUY THIS LITTLE COURSE AND ONLY PLAY THE NOTES ON THE PAGE, YOU WILL GET ABOUT 1% OF THE LESSON THAT'S THERE TO BE LEARNED.

Jeff,
Musically, 'the lick' is a pattern that includes only / primarily the notes of the GMajor scale, illustrating that the pattern can be used over any chord composed of those notes (e.g., GMaj Ami Bmi CMaj D7 Emi F#dim). Theoretically very simple, but very relevant for someone who is looking for positions for single note phrases.

Mechanically, it illustrates how right hand picking patterns, pedal slurs, and bar movement can be used to play uptempo phrases more easily. It restricts itself to strings 7,6,5 (THREE string), one finger and the thumb (TWO finger), and the B pedal (ONE pedal). If you hear it, you will say, "Oh, THAT". Anyone who has heard Weldon, Hal, or just about anyone who was influenced by them can hear the little 'gems' that dance from one E9 position to another.

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 16 October 2002 at 11:25 AM.]

Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 16 October 2002 08:58 AM     profile     
quote:
a major scale running down through the frets on strings 5, 6, and 7


quote:
It restricts itself to strings 8,7,6

Is it strings 5,6,7 or 6,7,8. Thanks.

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 16 October 2002 09:11 AM     profile     

Jeff, it's primarily 6,7,8 but uses the 5th string at fret 15,10, and 3 of the G scale.
Joey Ace
Sysop

From: Southern Ontario, Canada

posted 16 October 2002 10:00 AM     profile     
Your last post was a gem, Larry B. Thanks!

That type of logical analysis should be put to all the standard licks/runs.

[This message was edited by Joey Ace on 16 October 2002 at 10:01 AM.]

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 16 October 2002 11:15 AM     profile     

Agreed.
Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 16 October 2002 11:24 AM     profile     
it's on 5,6,7 -- sorry for the confusion. I've edited my earlier post
Maybe this will help more
Noteworthy perhaps that the same 3 strings and 1 pedal relationships can be found on C6. Hold the 6th pedal and use the A to Bb lever as the B pedal. FWIW.

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 17 October 2002 at 07:44 AM.]

Michael Haselman
Member

From: St. Paul Park, Minnesota, USA

posted 16 October 2002 11:39 AM     profile     
With all this talk, I had to have it. Ordered one from Scotty's, but got an email saying out of stock, and from the sound, it didn't sound like they were going to get any more soon. (Hmm...must have been a run on them) Any other resources?
Bob Blair
Member

From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

posted 16 October 2002 05:29 PM     profile     
Great comments by Larry and Doug and others.

One way of understanding the run better is to think of it as a melody and to play the same melody in a different way. I was thinking about this thread this morning when I sat down at my steel and tried this. Starting on the third string at the third fret, and using several strings and your A & B pedals, you can play almost the whole thing at the third fret (the only exception being that you have to move the bar up two frets for the third note). Play it that way for awhile and it is really refreshing to go back to playing the "one pedal, two finger, three string" version. Sorry I lack the tablature-writing skills to show you what I mean.

Bob Snelgrove
Member

From: san jose, ca

posted 16 October 2002 05:46 PM     profile     
Here is what it sounds like. If this is wrong to post this, (I bought it), let me know and I will edit it out.
http://steelgtr.home.netcom.com//tab/weldonnormal.mp3
bob

[This message was edited by Bob Snelgrove on 16 October 2002 at 05:58 PM.]

Terry Edwards
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From: Layton, UT

posted 16 October 2002 06:47 PM     profile     
A 25 year old lick?! Isn't this "public domain" by now!


Terry

Earnest Bovine
Member

From: Los Angeles CA USA

posted 16 October 2002 07:21 PM     profile     
quote:
A 25 year old lick?! Isn't this "public domain" by now!
The U.S. Supreme Court heard arguments last week on this matter and will issue their decision in a few weeks. In the meantime is your opportunity to bribe the justices, if you think you can give more than Michael Eisner can spend to own Mickey Mouse.
Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 16 October 2002 11:59 PM     profile     
Click the link below to hear a pattern played in the style of the pattern under discussion. It starts on fret 15 and winds down to fret 3 and then back up to fret 15, and uses only 2 strings and 1 pedal (pedal B). String 7 is not used in the samples below. String 7 IS in the pattern under discussion in this thread. So my pattern below is a bit simpler (less notes) than the original one. The first note is on string 4, but every other note heard is on strings 5 and 6 only.

The pattern plays 2 times on the mp3... over 2 different chord progressions in the key of G. There are a couple seconds of silence between the 2 samples. This comes from my Advanced Speedpicking tablature/CD. In the course I play the pattern over 6 different chord progressions, but I edited out just 2 for this mp3.

Click Here for mp3 Sample

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Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 17 October 2002 06:20 AM     profile     
Great example, Doug!
Larry, if you want an example of how to 'take it back up' after the descending portion leaves you at the third fret, Doug's pattern may be one you want to learn. Studying it and getting it "under your fingers" will help prepare you to twist it around to become YOUR lick.

If you want to hear more "in the style of", just listen to Bruce Bouton's solo on Ricky Skaggs' "Highway 40 Blues". Measures 4-8 of the solo use the no pedals descending to the A+B position from the pattern, customized to become Bruce's lick. Been one of my favorite solos for years. you can hear it here.

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro

[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 17 October 2002 at 07:31 AM.]

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 17 October 2002 08:37 AM     profile     

Very Good, I'll take all the instruction I can get.
Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 17 October 2002 10:30 PM     profile     
It's important to mention blocking here too. Pick blocking seems to work best for this type of pattern. Without blocking everything just runs together.
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 17 October 2002 10:37 PM     profile     
quote:
Pick blocking seems to work best for this type of pattern

I respectfully disagree. No reason this can't be crisply played with palm-blocking.

Larry R
Member

From: Navasota, Tx.

posted 18 October 2002 05:54 AM     profile     

I've tried it both ways. I normally palm block but on this lick, pick-blocking seems to come naturally to me.
Larry Bell
Member

From: Englewood, Florida

posted 18 October 2002 07:24 AM     profile     
As a veteran, almost exclusive, palm blocker, I hear what you're saying Brother Jeff. However, this lick requires a real slippery legato feel that is easier to pull off at breakneck tempos when pickblocking. (can't believe I said that)

It's one case where I will almost always pickblock -- particularly with the adjacent string orientation. I do still palmblock the forward rolls, however (like the 7,6,5 patterns that happen a couple of times in the lick).

FWIW

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2000 Fessenden S-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro

Doug Beaumier
Member

From: Northampton, MA

posted 18 October 2002 03:11 PM     profile     
I mostly use pick blocking for the fast stuff. My mp3 above is played at a moderate tempo using pick blocking. Imagine doubling or tripling the tempo for a bluegrass tune like Rocky Top or Orange Blossom Special. For me, pick blocking works better and is smoother for speedpicking. To each his own I guess.
Jeff Lampert
Member

From: queens, new york city

posted 18 October 2002 04:11 PM     profile     
quote:
tripling the tempo

I dare you to do that. BTW, the clip is at 95 bpm. Three times that is 285 bpm.

[This message was edited by Jeff Lampert on 18 October 2002 at 04:11 PM.]

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