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Topic: C6th chord chart
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Leslie Ehrlich
Member From: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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posted 24 December 2002 09:57 PM
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Is there such a thing as a C6th chord chart? I've got one for E9th, but I'd also like to figure out major and minor chords and basic chord changes on the C6th neck. |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 24 December 2002 10:32 PM
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Herb Steiner puts out a great thing of just what your looking for....I'd go there first and add more info later.
Herb???...check one...two...
Ricky |
Rick Garrett
Member From: Tyler, Texas
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posted 25 December 2002 03:52 AM
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Hey Herb, I need a chord chart for C6 tuning on lap steel. You got one settup for pedals that'll work for the lap steel?? If you do please let me know. Im almost sure it'll help my picking if I know where the chords are.  Rick Garrett
P.S. Edited because I forgot to mention 10 string. Thanks[This message was edited by Rick GM on 25 December 2002 at 03:57 AM.] |
Doug Seymour
Member From: Jamestown NY USA
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posted 25 December 2002 03:05 PM
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A 10 string C6th lap steel tuning w/no pedals, 3 picks (thumb & 2 fingers!) I'm thinking of the same C6th as a PSG with a G note on top....strings 1, 2 & 3 would be a C major triad in root position or first inversion if you will. Any combination of C, E & G would be a C maj chord. A minor chord
would be strings 2, 3 & 4....E, C & A would be an A minor chord & likewise any combination of strings giving you these 3 notes is an A minor chord (3,4 & 6....4, 6 & 7....6,7 & 8) I'm probably going to get shot down for this, but I can't think of any other triad (3 note chord) you can pick with 3 picks on a non-pedal lap steel with a C6th
tuning....w/o bar slants! C6th used to also be thought of as an Ami7th tuning.....enharmonic chords.....same 4 notes
but with different roots. To make your own chart....transpose these 2 chords up the frets.....1st fret = C#maj & Bbmin etc up the neck! |
Dave Birkett
Member From: Oxnard, CA, USA
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posted 25 December 2002 05:17 PM
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To continue the previous post, you can use an A and C for an F chord, F# dim and D7; an E and G for an Em, C#dim and A7; A, C and E for Fmaj7, etc. In other words, you don't have to play every note to suggest a chord. |
Bengt Erlandsen
Member From: Brekstad, NORWAY
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posted 25 December 2002 05:57 PM
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Try not to view the whole neck or all strings at once. Start with 4 string, those tuned A C E G low to high. The C chord is of course the top 3 strings and the Aminor chord is the 3 low strings. So if C=the Ichord or the key of the song the Fchord is 5 frets up on the same top strings. Also in that position you find Dm on the 3 low strings. Further 2 frets up and you find Gmajor(top) and Eminor(low). Now you have positions for C Dm Em F G Am. C and Am are at open strings, F and Dm are at +5frets, G and Em are at +7 frets. All relative to the CchordBengt |
TRAP TRULY
Member From: mobile,al
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posted 25 December 2002 06:22 PM
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hi,
I put one together awhile ago.
hope it helps. trap http://dogriverpub.com/trap/trap.htm
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BILL
Member From: UNION BRIDGE, MARYLAND USA
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posted 25 December 2002 08:08 PM
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HI Trap
Thank you for sharing the C6th chart with us. ------------------
BILL ERB |
Jeff Lampert
Member From: queens, new york city
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posted 25 December 2002 08:29 PM
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The best way, IMO, to develop an "understanding" of your chord positions on the C6 neck is to view strings 8,9,10 as the tonic (root) of your chords. Since the tuning is built out of stacked 3rd intervals, it automatically lets you build your chords in conventional theoretical ways. Before you attempt doing anything else, you should build based on your root positions. So, for example, using the 9th string as a root in the open position, you have an F note. Build from there. Without pedals, your notes are F,A,C,E,G,A. Using pedal 7 extends the top so that you have F,A,C,E,G,B,D. Now we're in business. First, without pedals, you got your F, Fmaj7, Fmaj9, Fmaj13. Next, press pedal 6, now you got your F7, F9, F9#11, F13#11. Now raise the 4th string to Bb. You have F11. Don't forget pedal splits. Lower string 5. 5 with 6. When you're done with F, use the 8th string with A as your tonic. Without pedals you have Am7 of course. Press pedal 6, and you Am7b5. Press pedal 7, and you have Am9 and Am11. Press 6 and 7 and you Am9b5. etc. etc. 7,8,and 9 are your tonics. Other considerations are that you may have root positions based on pressing a pedal. For example, if you press pedal 5, the 9th string goes from F to F#, and this becomes a possible root position for some F# chords (ex. F#m7b5). Also keep in mind substitutions. In the key of F, an Am7 subs for an F. That also means that other chords based on an A root might also work with an F chord. The tri-tone sub for F is B. That means that certain chords based on a B will work in place of an F. And finally, you can go after inversions. But the trouble with playing inversions without the other stuff is that you don't readily know what works and where to find them if you haven't first developed your understanding. So, bottom line, memorize your root positions, and then you can look for your chords at the most likely places. Get out a fake book, and you can start figuring some stuff out. |
Lincoln Goertzen
Member From: Rose Prairie, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 25 December 2002 08:50 PM
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Doug Jernigan has put out a nice C6th chord chart. I bought one, and it has helped me.Lincoln Goertzen |
Ricky Davis
Moderator From: Spring, Texas USA
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posted 26 December 2002 02:19 AM
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Jeff you are such a wonderful teacher my friend.......Just invaluable stuff there pal.....very very good information; and I absolutely agree that the C6th pedal steel tuning should be looked at from the root note in building chords.
Ricky |
TRAP TRULY
Member From: mobile,al
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posted 27 December 2002 03:04 PM
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I put the chart together for quick location of chords or to find the most suitable voicing for a chord in a song i was working on. I use the major/minor scales to do this.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
mj mn mn mj mj mn dim minor
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
mn dim mj mn mn mj mj
i pick out the melody of the song using these basic single notes or chords of the scales in the song i am working on and then try substituting different or altered chords in their place to get a better match.There the chart comes in handy to quickly find the different voicings in different positions on the neck that most appropriately fits the note or chord you are searching to fully complete the melody.
there are several Errors in it i have found. 1st- dim. repeat every 3rd fret not 4
2nd- Dom7b9 should be +1
sorry for any inadequacies.I put it together for my use and hoped it could help others.
thanks,trap |
Stephen O'Brien
Member From: Cortlandt Manor, NY, USA
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posted 28 December 2002 03:21 AM
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Jeff, that's about the most eloquent explanation of location chords on C6th that I've ever heard. Your understanding of that neck is really impressive. | |
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