I would bet money he could make it sound just like, Jerry Byrd.

Rick

[This message was edited by Rick Collins on 22 March 2003 at 09:03 AM.]

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Put it in 6 string terms, put a les paul pickup in a strat, it sounds like a strat with a humbucker, put a strat pickup in a tele, and it sounds like a tele, put a tele pickup in a strat, it still sounds like a strat.

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Terry Edwards
Fessy D-10; Nash 1000
Martin D-21; Flatiron F-5

I think everyone hears tones slightly differently and I've never heard an Elvis or Hank Sr. or Steisand or whoever impersonator that really sounds exactly like the person they're imitating, although some others may swear they're "just like them".

Also, being a 6-string regular guitar player too for 37 years, I've never heard any two of the same brand and model that even sounded the same, let alone trying to make a Les Paul sound like a Strat. I've had many many of them, all makes and models and done a fair amount of experimentation, my dad and uncle were building guitars and winding their own pickups since the early '50's, just didn't have any commercial aspirations....and I also disagree that "The biggest difference between why a strat sounds like a strat and a tele like a tele is in the BRIDGE design." That is a big difference but stick a Strat bridge in a Les Paul and you still won't sound like a Strat. The fact the a Strat has a maple bolt-on neck and a Les Paul has a mahogany glued-in neck, the (U.S.) Strat has an alder body and the Les Paul has mahogany with maple top body, also has much to do with their difference in tone. There is nothing that's going to make one sound THE SAME AS the other, but yes, EQ can make one sound "more like" the other, to a certain degree and NOT EXACTLY.

Bottom line (in my humble opinion of course) is that every guitar, regular or steel, has its' own sound which is further enhanced (or ruined!) when filtered through the players hands and techiques both in playing and amp-setting.

[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 22 March 2003 at 12:18 PM.]

I agree with you. Tone comes from your hands. No doubt about it.

Johnny Cox, thank you for letting me try it out. It gave me many headaches trying to decide what choice to make. I appreciate all the help. There might have been other pick-ups that could have gotten that sound I was after. But, when I played through the various pick-ups into my amp, It sounded great, it just wasn't the sound I was looking for (Not that I didn't want to sound great, but A Porche runs great, but sometimes a Caravan's what you need). I hope I didn't say something wrong in my review. If I did, I apologize. Your Bud,
Abraham

"I believe that getting a 'good tone' IS in the hands, however, nobody's hands, or every eq in the world will not make a ShoBud sound like an Emmons, or an Emmons like a ShoBud, or an MSA classic sound line a millennium or vice versa, and so the list goes on. Plain and simple, certain types/amouns of woods, changer designs, and other 'goodies' give each guitar it's unique tone."

That's what I meant to say all along!! I just couldn't find those words. Thanks for posting. Words can be dangerous!

I felt I had to defend myself because I mentioned the sound was not, as heard by my ears, "woody." I never said it was a bad thing. I felt like everyone assumed it wasn't a good thing, so I started defending my post. To me, it was just different than the wood guitars I had tried. Of course, all steels sound different. That's why we have such a broad market.

It's true I had only tried the steel through my Evan's. It's also true that I only tried the George L's E-66 and TW's. But, I did this in every other guitar I played, so I felt safe to say that it had a sound of its own.

I was surprised this post grew so fast. Thanks for everyone that responded.

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Steeling is still legal in Arizona

That's fine, but only if you're gonna get one of those push-pull Oboes with the bolt on reed. It must be made of birdseye maple and be jet black. If you buy anything else the conformity police will show up at your door with a summons....

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Fulawka D-10 9&5
Fessenden D-10 8&8
Mullen Royal Precision D-10 8 & 5
"All in all, looking back, I'd have to say the best advice anyone ever gave me was 'Hands Up, Don't Move!"
www.johnbarnold.com/pedalsteel
www.buddycage.net

http://www.nrpsmusic.com/index.html

I own a p/p Emmons, and old MSA, the mew MSA, and an old Marlen. I feel qualified to make judgements on these guitars because I own them, and I've played them for a period of time. Other guitars, that I have limited time behind, I don't feel qualified to give an opinion on, but that's just me.

The new MSA clearly isn't for everyone, but no guitar out there is. If any one guitar were "head and shoulders" above the rest, that would be the one that everybody played. I've only owned 5 pedal guitars, and the "Mill" (as I call it) is the best guitar I've ever owned. The fact that it's made of Carbon Fiber was done for two reasons. The first was for stability and light weight, and the second was for coinsistency. Guitars made out of wood are terribly inconsistent, because wood itself is terribly inconsistent. This is why one of an identical model of any other guitar sounds different than another.

Carbon fibre can be made light, or heavy. It can be made porous, or it can be as dense as you like. The important fact is that these qualities can be almost totally controlled. With wood bodies, you never knew exactly how the guitar would sound until it was completed. You also never knew if it would sound the same 20 years from now. Composite technology makes all those problems history. It also guarantees you won't open the case one day and find a split in the body.

Mind you, these are other's opinions...not mine, but most everyone I've talked to admits that the new MSA sounds far better than the old one. And conversely, most people tell you that the newer Emmons' doesn't sound near as good as the old ones.

I reckon you can make your own judgements about which company's going in the right direction.