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David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 26 September 2003 04:32 PM     profile     
I gotta buy one of these real soon and am wondering which are the best, or are they all pretty much the same? I'm not interested in "I like mine, but it's the only one I ever tried." I'm more interested in comparisons by steelers who have used or tried more than one kind. How important is a back rest? How important is a side pocket? Does it matter if the legs are straight or splayed? If you could buy any seat on the market, which one would it be, and why? Thanks for any help.
Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 26 September 2003 04:57 PM     profile     
Dave,
I've used several brands -- ShoBud, homemade, Steelers Choice

All were very stable as I believe most are. The seat portion is going to be pretty similar, I believe. Since getting a seat with a back, I will never buy one without; and I've never seen the need for a power strip in a pak-a-seat.

I've used seats with the U-shaped tubular legs (each end of the U is a leg) and also legs made from a U-shaped solid steel rod with a locking bracket -- the kind you squeeze to lock/unlock -- they are surprisingly stable.

Size/capacity is another 'feature'. If my pak-a-seat is heavier than my amp, it may just be TOO BIG or TOO FULL. If I had one of those double-wide jobs I'd be tempted to fill it so full I'd have to invest in a dolly for it. I prefer one that just has enough room for necessities. I don't even carry an extra volume pedal in my seat any more, so the size isn't a big deal for me.

It's a tool. As long as it is solidly built, looks presentable, carries my stuff, and I don't fall off of it, I'm happy. Most of the new ones I've seen are well built and cost more than I want to spend.
You can't go wrong with Kenny Rollans' product -- AND there are many others that I'm sure are equally good -- but the Steelers Choice is the best one I've ever owned.

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Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps

Walter Hamlin
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From: Talladega, Alabama, USA

posted 26 September 2003 04:58 PM     profile     
I've built and bought seats, used chairs, cases and, amps. I'm using one now with a backrest but I don't think I use the backrest that much. I added 2" to the legs to help aleviate hip pain when sitting for a long period of time. I think one with splayed legs would be somewhat safer. I have leaned sideways to get something off the floor and fell off one with straight legs. One time I cut my ear when I fell into a set of drums. I was told by a seat builder that side pocket styles were for "bedroom pickers" but I have seen pros using them too. The ones I have seen are basically the same in purpose. Just find you
one you feel will be comfortable for you
in the price range you want to pay.
Walter Hamlin
Walter Hamlin
Member

From: Talladega, Alabama, USA

posted 26 September 2003 05:49 PM     profile     
Once again. Let me say Amen to what Mr.Larry Bell said about the Steelers Choice seat. I like mine too.
Eric West
Member

From: Portland, Oregon, USA

posted 26 September 2003 06:43 PM     profile     
My favorite one was my Sho~Bud Case, til it wore out 10 or more years ago. Second to that, the old style oak milk cases with mesh bottoms used to be just the right height.

Now I go for regular armless bar chairs.

EJL

Dale Bessant
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From: Gatineau, Quebec, Canada

posted 26 September 2003 07:30 PM     profile     
David,try one of our Forum members Wayne Brown at http://www.outwestpacseat.ca...

[This message was edited by Dale Bessant on 26 September 2003 at 07:36 PM.]

Jack Francis
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From: Mesa, Arizona, USA

posted 26 September 2003 08:43 PM     profile     
At the risk of public ridicule, I admit to using a piano bench seat that I bought at Guitar Center for $35.00.

I only use the steel for 3-4 songs per set so I don't need a back.

Because I keep getting up and down to play guitar it's pretty functional....Well, it works for me.

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Scott Appleton
Member

From: Half Moon Bay, California, USA

posted 26 September 2003 09:07 PM     profile     
Been using a Sho-Bud seat i purchased new in 73
all this time ... still works great ... replaced the pad and cover twice now ... they wear out get snagged
and loose cush after about 10 years. buy any one of the popular seats and thats all you'll need.

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Ray Montee
Member

From: Portland, OR, USA

posted 26 September 2003 09:09 PM     profile     
My Emmons seat has been rugged, comfortable, roomy and my first choice. The fold-up design of the legs is second to none. No unnecessary labor to setup or teardown. No shakey either.
I tried a Yamaha drum stool that cost me over $100 and that nearly killed me and my back too.
James Quackenbush
Member

From: Pomona, New York, USA

posted 27 September 2003 06:30 AM     profile     
Check these seats out...Your butt will thank you...
www.tarheelmusic.com/steelseats1.html
Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 27 September 2003 07:55 AM     profile     
I have used a Sho~Bud seat for years. However, recently I bought a side kick, back rest model, Steelers Choice seat and I couldn't be happier! It is outstanding!!! Such quality and features. They certainly go the extra mile. A while ago they had a fire in the place and got somewhat behind in orders, but believe me, if you order a seat, it is well worth the wait. Just sit on an orange crate in the meantime!
Erv

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 27 September 2003 at 07:56 AM.]

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 27 September 2003 at 07:57 AM.]

Terry Edwards
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From: Layton, UT

posted 27 September 2003 09:20 AM     profile     
quote:
What's the best seat for pedal steel?

Front row at Scotty's International Steel Guitar Convention!

Terry

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 27 September 2003 10:47 AM     profile     
Thanks for all the info, guys. Up til now I have just been grabbing a bar table chair with no arms. But I recently got into a situation where all I had was folding chair. It was kinda low, and I had to shorten the legs on my steel, which brought the pedals real close to the floor and felt weird. And the seat was real slick and I was sliding around. So I gotta get my own seat. Do any come with adjustable height?
Nicholas Dedring
Member

From: Brooklyn, New York, USA

posted 27 September 2003 01:47 PM     profile     
If you don't place a priority on being able to carry your odds/ends/volume pedal and paraphenalia in the Seat, you might be able to get by with a drum throne, or keyboard bench.

Pakaseats do not have adjustable height, you have to order your height when you buy it, if you need non-standard stuff. I use a drum throne, but I don't have to pack up and move that often... so putting all the gear in the seat box isn't so important to me at the moment.

Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 27 September 2003 02:08 PM     profile     
I'm intrigued by the seat-builder who declared that 'side pockets were for bedroom players' - we can safely assume that the ones he builds DON'T have this feature , therefore he was keen to discredit the ones that do. This allows me to change strings during a show without standing to open my seat and thereby disrupting the performance.

For me, the back is vital - I have a lower back problem - but some don't need this. I've been virtually resident at a theatre near me for twelve months, and my Steeler's Choice seat is a permanent fixture in the 'pit' - even if I'm only playing six-string, it's the 'best seat in the house'!

I have two. They're better-built than the Emmons or the Sho-bud ones I had before - I think it's 'no contest'!

Ken is great to deal with, too - he went to a lot of trouble to see that I was happy with my ones, and threw in a bunch of spare fittings in case I needed to replace things at a later date.

RR

[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 27 September 2003 at 02:10 PM.]

Chuck Halcomb
Member

From: Wichita, Kansas, USA

posted 27 September 2003 04:18 PM     profile     
GW Edgar at Tote-a-seat in McPherson, Kansas makes a nice seat that is solid enough to hold even the most hefty steel player. He makes them with or without a back and will put just about any sort of fabric you want on the seat and back rest.

The web site address is www.toteseat.comI play non-pedal, but I sure do like mine.

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Remington Steel T-8 Steelmaster
Gibson Console Grande

Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 27 September 2003 04:37 PM     profile     
I concur with Roger Rettig. Since changing from a basic Sho~Bud seat to a Rollins Steelers' Choice with sidebox and back, I'll never go back. The side box is great, say, when you break a string in the middle of a song, you can get your spares and wirecutters, string winder, etc, out without turning your butt to the audience... or a place to store your little tuner till ya need it...

As for the back, I used to think I wouldn't care for one because I always lean forward when I play. BUT! Once I got one, I realized how often I DON'T play! And during those times, it's lovely to be able to lean back and watch the rest of the band work. I wouldn't want to do without it now!

SKIP MERTZ
Member

From: N.C

posted 27 September 2003 06:41 PM     profile     
I've just bought a cpl of the NEW "Walker" seats and they are Super! Most steel seats are quality products but in working with Ray Walker I helped in developing a much superior
cushion. Try one, you'll love em
Jeff A. Smith
Member

From: Angola,Ind. U.S.A.

posted 27 September 2003 07:20 PM     profile     
quote:
Do any come with adjustable height?
I have what is probably a keyboard throne, which I purchased from Carter. It has a rectangular padded seat with no back, breaks down quickly and is height-adjustable.

The current price on these from Carter is $65.00 plus shipping. There are cheaper thrones available, but they may not beak down and set up as quickly, or allow height adjustment.

It's not something to lounge around and watch TV on, but it's comfortable enough in a Spartan kind of way.

Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 27 September 2003 07:25 PM     profile     
I hope the seat manufacturers are reading this. There is an UNMET NEED for high-quality packaseats with ADJUSTABLE height!
Wayne Brown
Member

From: Strathmore, Alberta, Canada

posted 27 September 2003 07:56 PM     profile     
hi jim ....i am reading this thread....and i'm not trying to be rude but out west has been listening for over 4 years and every time we've did something that all the folks would suggest it sits in my shop for years and doesn't sell...for example people asked for a economy seat...they screamed for this one ...i introduced them...and there they sit all 12 of them, collecting dust, people asked for a deluxe seat with rack spaces and all the bells and whistles,the price was to high.....there they sit in my shop unsold...so you can see why were a little hesitant...as for ajustable legs you folks know how tall you are and how high you want to sit...any manufacturer would gladly set your seat height you wanted at the time of purchase...also because of the weight variances of our customers the engineering to do ajustable legs would drive the price of the seats up....which is unacceptable....as for the builders us at out west and our good friends ken and dan at steelers choice build a fine product and the new guy on the block ...walker seats...also looks like a great product also ...so i would say to everybody choose a seat thats right for you...feel,durabilty,and looks....i'm sure that any seat out on the market today are all excelent products that should last for a good long time

thanks
wayne brown
c/o out west pac-seats

David Cobb
Member

From: Chanute, Kansas, USA

posted 27 September 2003 08:32 PM     profile     
I guess I'm the only one who wasn't aware that seats are available in different heights.
I'd thought it was a take it or leave it deal
on that aspect.
I've also wished for a way to elevate the rear of the seat ever so slightly higher than the front and I've found a way around that, it's not an attractive fix, but effective enough.
Jim Cohen
Member

From: Philadelphia, PA

posted 27 September 2003 08:32 PM     profile     
Fair enough, Wayne. Thanks for offering the builder's perspective.
Wayne Brown
Member

From: Strathmore, Alberta, Canada

posted 27 September 2003 09:18 PM     profile     
david that can be done to...not a problem
thanks
wayne brown
c/o out west pac-seats
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 28 September 2003 07:11 PM     profile     
I may be wrong, but I think that 21" is the 'standard' leg-height - I needed just 20", and Ken took care of it.

RR

HowardR
Member

From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.

posted 28 September 2003 07:11 PM     profile     
quote:
I've never seen the need for a power strip in a pak-a-seat.

quote:
I was told by a seat builder that side pocket styles were for "bedroom pickers"

I resemble that remark!!!

Rick McDuffie
Member

From: Smithfield, North Carolina, USA

posted 28 September 2003 07:52 PM     profile     
Walker Steel Seats!

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Ken Williams
Member

From: Arkansas

posted 28 September 2003 08:16 PM     profile     
I have a Steeler's choice sidekick and an old 74 Sho-bud seat. There are features that I like about each one. I like the being able to get into the Steeler's side compartment without having to get up. I think I prefer the vinyl cover on the Sho-bud compared to the velvet like material on the Steeler's Choice. Sometimes when I'm playing, I may want to shift positions to the left or right. Generally shift a little to my right on C6. If I'm wearing corduroy or certain types of jeans, I feel like I'm slightly handcuffed or in this case I guess it would be buttcuffed. Also the old Sho-Bud surface area in larger, which fits me better so I don't have any Dunlap. This is, my rear done lapped over the edge of the seat.

Ken

Jerry Roller
Member

From: Van Buren, Arkansas USA

posted 28 September 2003 08:54 PM     profile     
The Steelers Choice by Ken Rollans is a great seat. If storage space is not as issue I would concur that the bench type seat that Carter Guitars sells is a very good choice. I am a dealer for Elite Seats built by Dan Sliter. Both Steelers Choice and Elite are built in Arkansas by the way and both builders are very good friends of mine. The Elite with the back rest is in my opinion a very professional quality seat. I have sold a pretty large number of them and had one person to say it was not comfortable to him and I had him return it for a refund. I have had a long list of customers email me back to thank me for the great deal and they were very happy. So, it's the same old question, "which is best"? I don't think there is a best. I can get the Elite in any height that is desired. If you had an adjustable height seat, you would set it to what felt right and then forget about the adjustment feature and it would add several dollars to the cost of building the product. I use the Elite that is an inch taller than his standard height and I could not ask for anything better for me. I love the Elite seat. Email me if you would like a great deal on a great seat.(Email photos available)
If Ken would set me up a dealership on Steelers Choice, I would be offering my customers their choice between two great seats.
Jerry

[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 28 September 2003 at 08:56 PM.]

[This message was edited by Jerry Roller on 28 September 2003 at 09:00 PM.]

David Doggett
Member

From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 28 September 2003 09:21 PM     profile     
Okay, guys, thanks for all the help. I thought this would be a pretty trivial thread, but it looks like it helped air some issues about seats. As a temporary measure I took an adjustable secretary chair to my last gig. It turned out to be hell. The stage was a polished hardwood floor, and the seat kept rolling back everytime I hit a pedal.

As a reward for all your help, I'll tell you a real country tale about seats from back home in Mississippi. My Dad grew up in a little crossroads town in the Northeast corner of Mississippi, called Kossuth. It's about 5 miles outside of Corinth, and when you're 5 miles out of Corinth you are away back out in the country. My Grandparents ran a little general store at the crossroads that sold everything from horse collars to groceries. Next to the store was a gas station. There were always a couple of ole boys playing checkers in front of the station, and they sat on empty nail kegs from my Grandad's store.

My Dad retired back to Kossuth and the house he was born in. When he got too ill to keep it up it was sold, and I had the sad task of selling off the contents. One of the ole boys who frequented the store came by and bought one of the old benches that sat around the big pot-belly stove that sat in the middle of the store and heated it. As he was leaving, he told me this tale.

One time two or three ole boys from Kossuth decided to see New York City. So they drove up there. But somewhere in Manhattan they got into a big car wreck, and were killed along with the people in the other car.

A reporter went to the hospital where they took the bodies. He asked the emergency room doc who the people were and where they were from. "Oh," he said, "It was a real mess. The people in one car, we couldn't tell anything about them. But the ones in the other car were from Kossuth, Mississippi."

"Well, how did you know that?" asked the reporter.

"Oh, it was easy," said the doc. "They were the ones with nail keg prints on their butts."

Nick Reed
Member

From: Springfield, TN

posted 28 September 2003 10:48 PM     profile     
My wife bought me a CUSH-CASE packaseat from Bobbe Seymour about 8 years ago for my birthday. It's held up pretty well and still goes out with me every weekend to gig. However, my big FAT ASS has about wore out the foam padding in the cushion. It now has an indented imprint where I've set on it! Nick
Roger Rettig
Member

From: NAPLES, FL

posted 29 September 2003 02:37 AM     profile     
Someone posed the question about a tray to hold 'stomp boxes' over on Wayne Brown's thread - I don't want hi-jack Wayne's 'topic', so I'll reply here.

The Steeler's Choice seat has the side-pocket on the left, and the lid opens away from you. This is great design - I leave mine open and it creates a sort of tray on which I put my coffee cup (in rehearsal only ) and/or my current reading material (for when the show has too much dialogue!)

Being on the player's left allows him to root around in the compartments without taking his (or her) picks off, but it now occurs to me that the open lid could accommodate two or three 'Boss'-type effects-units, and they'd be easily accessible for making adjustments. Not for me - I use a Profex - but it's a thought.

Jim Cohen gets MY vote. Not only is he a terrific player who uses a Steeler's Choice seat, but I see from yet another 'thread' that he has a '57 Morris Minor!!!! When we watch old British movies from my extensive collection, Susie always has to put up with me exclaiming 'Morris Minor!' whenever one appears anywhere in the scene....

Pretty, pretty cars - especially with that split-windscreen - but I bet a Nashville 1000 would only just go in the boot!

RR

Erv Niehaus
Member

From: Litchfield, MN, USA

posted 29 September 2003 07:29 AM     profile     
I surely don't see the need for adjustable height on a seat. Unless, you are letting someone else use it. Just order it the height you want and then that's it! The reason for a steel seat is that it is always "constant". Once you place your butt on it, your approach to the strings and pedals is always the same and it greatly assists your playing.
Erv
P.S. If you're not sure about the height, order the legs a little longer, you can always cut them off.

[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 29 September 2003 at 07:31 AM.]

Chris Schlotzhauer
Member

From: Colleyville, Tx. USA

posted 29 September 2003 07:51 AM     profile     
I've grown to like a drum throne. I like sitting higher than a regular steel seat, plus I can spin around when I make an adjustment. Or, just spin around for fun
Jan Dunn
Member

From: Union, NJ USA

posted 29 September 2003 09:56 AM     profile     
Adjustable legs have been a real help to me as I have my seat much higher for PSG than I do for my lapsteel-I'm sure I'm the odd guy in this respect. However, for folks that do need adjutable legs, there was a terrific seat made by Britt Davis of Elizabeth, CO. The legs are 4 individual poles with threaded holes about every 1/2 inch or so along the length of the leg. A thumbwheel screw goes through the mounting bracket of each leg and screws into the hole in the leg. The holes are numbered so you don't get one leg shorter than the other three. The legs receded into the seat when you make the seat lower. I never understood why no one else picked up on this idea. I assumed no one else needed adjustable legs. Here's a dopey diagram of how it works if you want to try your own.

| Bracket |
| |
| | | | |
| | ======| <=Locking Screw
|--| |--| |
| Leg |
| |

Leonardo DaVinci neededn't worry about me putting him out of business real soon,huh?

Jan Dunn
Member

From: Union, NJ USA

posted 29 September 2003 09:59 AM     profile     
well my diagram got screwed up when I pressed the submit button. It looked like a box (the mounting bracket) with a pole going inside the box (the leg) witht a screw going through the bracket and into the leg. It looked a whole lot better in notepad...geez.
Jim Smith
Member

From: Plano, TX, USA

posted 29 September 2003 11:15 AM     profile     
You need to use "tab" codes to keep the spacing, like this:
|  Bracket  |
| |
| | | | |
| | ======| <=Locking Screw
|--| |--| |
| Leg |
| |
Jan Dunn
Member

From: Union, NJ USA

posted 29 September 2003 03:43 PM     profile     
Can you believe I draw better than I play ????

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