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David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 27 October 2003 01:20 PM     profile     
The used universal I got has the Boo-wah (normaly pedal 8 on a C6) on pedal 4, and I have noticed that a lot of universal copendents have it there. Why would it not be the last pedal on the right, as on a typical C6? If you only have 3 pedals to dedicate to the B6 neck, is the boo-wah indispensible, or are there other more versatile uses for that pedal?

To help me decide this, can anyone describe some classic or useful licks with the Boo-wah, or anything you would consider indispensible?

Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 27 October 2003 01:38 PM     profile     
Dave,
That's a Jeff Newman thing. His logic involves placing the C#9 pedal (usually P5 on C6) near the G#7+9 ('boo-wah', usually P8 on C6) for the obvious I/IV relationship.

How does one use it? (let me count the ways)
Well, it's the 'Foxy Lady' or 'Purple Haze' chord that Jimi used a lot -- kind of a chameleon chord with a major third down low and minor third on top. It is a very often used jazz chord as well, commonly used as an altered V7 chord for a Im (like Am to E7+9). Listen to Buddy's composition 'Plus Nine' or the the Pat Martino Composition Buddy covered called 'The Great Stream' -- lotsa great ideas there.

Is it indispensible? That's a matter of opinion. A lot of swing/jazz revolves around I / VI / II (or ii) / V / I cadence. Having the VI chord on a pedal is very useful, in my opinion. I consider it an indespensible change.

As for placement, my personal preference is the last or next to last pedal. I put P6 (E to D for my application) on a lever, making combinations easier. So there are basically only three B6 pedals on my setup. On my guitars with more than six pedals, I usually put one to the left (G# to G in the past -- now, the Franklin 'P4') and one to the right (currently G# to A# on 10, soon to be E to F# a la Mooney).

That's the way that works best for me. My basic tuning is this one and those six pedals are the basic setup for any other guitar I play. The 'Full Monte' is what's on my Fessy, with the additional pedals and two more levers than what's on The Beast.

Hope that helps.

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C Dixon
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From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 27 October 2003 02:52 PM     profile     
Larry,

You speak gems. Ditto brother.

Jeff did indeed sell the idea of moving the 8th pedal next to the 5th pedal because they are sometimes used together; but more importantly "for going from one to the other". So when he went universal, this is precisely what he did.

I have never had a problem with it as pedal 8; either on a D-10 or Universal. I can go from one to the other as fast as I need and if I ever need to use both (which I don't any more) I simply use both feet as BE does all the time.

Would I give it up? NO way Jose! I love it and use it all the time. As Larry says, it is sooo intregal to the C6 neck and many classic tunes have used it by BE and many others of course. Buddy Charleton uses it all the time.

Also, since I play a great amount of Jerry Bryd (albeit using pedals) on my 6th tuning, it is a mainstay since Jerry is the one who invented the A7/C6 tuning; thus the reason for the pedal in the first place.

I have it on my universal, where it normally is on a D-10. Would never be without it. Used with pedal 7 it gives me an 11th chord that I use often.

Used with the lever that lowers the top C to B (B to Bb on U-12's) gives one a very needed ninth; with the ninth on top; but a more mellow chord than pedal 5 or 6; under the same scenario. Plus, it gives you a dom9th two frets down from the tonic chord. Again, that is soooo nice.

The term "boowah" was coined after BE did his classic lick on "Night Life"; but the boowah is only a miniscule purpose for the pedal. It has hidden charms. Once found, few would be without it I believe.

carl

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 27 October 2003 at 02:56 PM.]

Al Marcus
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From: Cedar Springs,MI USA

posted 27 October 2003 03:35 PM     profile     
Way to go, Carl and Larry Bell !......al

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Scott Henderson
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From: Eldon, Missouri, USA

posted 27 October 2003 03:50 PM     profile     
Larry,
Don't worry about where the pedal is just use it!!! it has tons of uses. did anybody mention using it for a 6chord movement in the 1 chord position. i love that pedal and ahree with someone who wrote before don't matter if its c6 or b6 it has an important place in your playing. boo wah is cool but dont forget the wadda wadda babaty babaty afterwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and then their's the wonk wonk wonk winga ding and so forth. i think you get the picture.
oh nurse time for my medication!!!!!!!!!!
hehehehehe

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Herb Steiner
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From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX

posted 27 October 2003 04:58 PM     profile     
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the "ting tang rama-lama ding dong."

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Larry Bell
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From: Englewood, Florida

posted 27 October 2003 08:21 PM     profile     
. . . or the bop-sha-bop-sha-bop
must be lithium time for me too

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David Doggett
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From: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA

posted 27 October 2003 10:32 PM     profile     
Okay, thanks guys...and...uh...bebopalula...and spodiodo.
Pete Burak
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From: Portland, OR USA

posted 28 October 2003 08:19 AM     profile     
Having the Boo-Wha (Pedal 4, ie. "P4") and P5 next to each other is nice because you get a nice A6 grip on fret 1 with P4+P5 engaged (starting with your thumb at string 10). The IV-7 chord is then fret 1 with P5 only, up two to the V7, etc.
My S12U open tuning is based on an open B6th (strings 1-3 are C#, G#, F#), so these positions extend really nicely all the way up to string 2 (Note: Strings 11 and 12 cancel each other out on many setups when using P4+P5).

Concerning the string 12 "Boo-Wha" movement... In the context of playing in a swing band, I've found it to be a bit of a one trick pony type of thing, and I really haven't heard anyone do anything "original" with it outside of everything Buddy Emmons has done with it over the years in both swing and jazz contexts.
The P5 and Boo-Wha standard copedant changes on the bottom 2 strings really come into play if you play Jazz, and if you are into exploring their use I would suggest checking out some tab by, for one example, Jim Loessberg
at http://members.aol.com/jlbrg/jazzinfo.html.


From my S12U perspective, and as a member of a swing band that also plays some Hawaiian and Jump Blues, I've chosen to use P4 to raise my B's on 5 and 9 (and sometimes 12) to C.
This has opened up alot of playing for me in both cool sounding chords and chord progressions (I've found P4 (B's to C) can be used with most every other pedal on my S12U), and single note soloing, in the higher register where I feel my instrument fits best in the "ensemble".

FWIW, I took the string 11 and 12 changes completely off of P4 and P5 one of my steels, mainly because I don't play in that register, and those pedals feel better without those changes on there.
I use P4 to raise B's to C's, and P5 to raise my high F# a half tone (string 3 for me), and lower my low F# a half tone (string 7).

Dennis Detweiler
Member

From: Solon, Iowa, US

posted 28 October 2003 06:02 PM     profile     
I have the BooWah on pedal 4 and the WahBoo on pedal 5
DD
John Sluszny
Member

From: Brussels, Belgium

posted 29 October 2003 07:34 AM     profile     
Dennis.
Where's the WooBah?
JS

[This message was edited by John Sluszny on 29 October 2003 at 07:35 AM.]

Glyn Bone
Member

From: Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada

posted 03 November 2003 02:11 AM     profile     
Pardon the ignorance of a `newbie` folks...... but just what the heck is a ` boo-waa` pedal? and what does it do ?

Like I said I am a newbie and as yet have not quite mastered Americanese or PSGese .lol

Thanks.

Glyndwr

C Dixon
Member

From: Duluth, GA USA

posted 03 November 2003 06:40 AM     profile     
Glyn,

I feel for ya bubba. How many times does one hear a term and feel like, "how come I have no idea what they are all talking about?'

Ok, When Ray Price recorded "Night Life", Buddy Emmons's was in typical form. He created a sound ("lick") that simply knocked us all dead. It was soo unique that it even coined a phrase. Alah......"Boowah".

Why?

Because that is exactly what the lick sounds like to most who hear it. It is created by the ONLY standard change on a D-10 that pulls a string a full tone and a half. And that change is the C to A lower on the 10th string on our C6 neck.

That dear friend, is the change that all us "good ole boys" call "Boohwah". Ooops some call it "doowah". But remember a steel guitar by any other name would still "play" as sweet.

May Jesus richly bless Buddy Emmons and all the others that have brought us soooo much joy and may HE continue to bring each of you joy all the days of your lives,

carl

[This message was edited by C Dixon on 04 November 2003 at 07:31 AM.]

Winnie Winston
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From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ

posted 03 November 2003 11:25 PM     profile     
Several of us used to call it the "Dying Whale" pedal...

JW

[This message was edited by Winnie Winston on 03 November 2003 at 11:27 PM.]

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