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Topic: How many old MSA Guitar still around?
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Ray Montee
Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 08 January 2004 07:08 PM
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I believe I saw TWO on eBay just this week?
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Bob Carlucci
Member From: Candor, New York, USA
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posted 09 January 2004 06:24 AM
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Old MSA guitars are a bargain too compared to old Emmons or Sho Bud guitars.. I can recall just recently where a like new s-10 Classic didn't even meet its $900 reserve... not one bid..An awful lot of guys won't play an MSA because of the "dark muddy tone",but geez, just change the pickups and you'll have a steel with one of stongest, most reliable,stable,simple and IN TUNE mechanisms ever devised.. I NEVER liked ANY MSA pickup,but put in whatever pickup brand you like and the MSA is a world class steel. among the very best IMHO..... bob |
Ray Montee
Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 09 January 2004 09:37 AM
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WHAT is a "DARK MUDDY TONE"???Is that like, NOT ear piercing, tinny, shrill, trebly, unbass-like? I have so much yet to learn. And, what's a COVER TUNE you guys keep referring to? |
Bob Carlucci
Member From: Candor, New York, USA
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posted 09 January 2004 09:59 AM
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Ray... "dark muddy tone..= lifeless dead nasty crappy sound that emmons/bud/zum/fessie/ZB/Sierra/you name it/ players say MSA guitars have... I have not found this to be so and I think your answer is a bit tongue in cheek.. Also "cover tune"= is a tune so rotten and foul smelling that you have to dig a deep hole and "cover" it with dirt... at least thats what they tell me |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 07 July 2004 06:53 PM
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I have an MSA classic s10 1974 model. I have recovered it with green drum sparkle and am getting the endplates polished by a professional.It used to be a dark brown rosewood color - same color as my kitchen cabinets. However, I took care of that. I have taken it completely apart, cleaned it, put new felt in the bottom and painted the surrounding area flat black. I got new teflon spacers from Mcmaster Carr and have new tuning nuts on the way. I have a B lawrence 710. At this point I don't have an msa fretboard but I think that one is on the way. |
Darvin Willhoite
Member From: Leander, Tx. USA
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posted 07 July 2004 07:00 PM
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Me too, a Classic SS with 710's. No dark, muddy tone here. Smooth, positive action, beautiful finish. I have had several steels and worked on several more, and these are still the most precision of any I've had my hands on. A picture is worth a thousand words.
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Darvin Willhoite
Riva Ridge Recording
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Mark Kelchen
Member From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa USA
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posted 08 July 2004 04:22 AM
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LOTS! |
John Daugherty
Member From: Rolla, Missouri, USA
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posted 08 July 2004 05:15 AM
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I was getting ready to post a serial# when I saw this post so I'll just throw it in here.
Maybe Reece will see it.
I would like to know the approximate year it was manufactured.
MSA D10 Classic,SS, ser# 2C 3435.1, final assembly by "Wally".
I might add that I think think the super sustain pickups on this MSA sound better than my other steel which has "Geo.L".
Thanks to anyone who can help. JD |
Simon Flack
Member From: Redhill, Surrey, England
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posted 08 July 2004 07:13 AM
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Here's mine. Says set-up by Jerry Cop (Cerp ?) No 1C 3071.
I'm new to pedal steel , so the guitar is getting the better of me at the moment. But not for too much longer I hope ! Great site this. [This message was edited by Simon Flack on 08 July 2004 at 07:14 AM.]
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Steven Black
Member From: Gahanna, Ohio, USA
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posted 08 July 2004 08:52 AM
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I had a MSA double 10 8+4 rosewood formica
and the pickups were P+B custom II's the guitar was the polished packaged MSA with the white plastic grover keys, wish I could find the serial#, and curious as to who is playing it now. I now have a universal 12 MSA. |
Doug Ferguson
Member From: Burnet, Texas, USA
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posted 08 July 2004 09:23 AM
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I bought an MSA Classic D12 9-5 several years ago, (my second steel, and probably my last) walnut, gorgeous, and heavy. Weighs around 90 lbs in the case. The first thing I realized was how well it stays in tune, once new strings are settled in. My first steel was a Sho Bud Maverick and it went out of tune during each set of a gig. The changer mechanism on the maverick looked like coat hangers that had been hit by a lawn mower and somehow ended up stuck on the bottom of the steel. I don't mean to poke fun at Sho Bud, as I know their pro models are beautiful and well built. The mechanism on the MSA is pristine, and smooth, and well, just MSA all the way! It sounds stunning through my Session 500. It is built so well, I know it will outlast me! |
Steve English
Member From: Tucson, Arizona
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posted 08 July 2004 03:01 PM
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I've had 2 Sho-Buds, a ZB, and played Emmons, Rustler, and a few others...I bought an MSA D-12 new in '75 and never looked back. See pics: http://community.webshots.com/album/160977719iUyJIi I got away from the performing in '79 to run a business....just started back a few months ago with a S-10 that's been hiding in the closet for too many years. Also just bought and refurbished another S-10 last week. Love 'em!!! Pictures of the process are available for your entertainment at: http://community.webshots.com/album/158792728FdIZlU As for the next time, I would buy a Carter if I couln't afford a Millennium 
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Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 08 July 2004 04:02 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 08:47 PM.] |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 08 July 2004 08:18 PM
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I have a beautiful like new Wood sunburst MSA "Universal" model S12 with 8/5 Now and it sounds great with the SuperSustain II pickup in the aluminum pocket like the old Shobuds...... ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
Gordon Borland
Member From: San Antonio, Texas, USA
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posted 08 July 2004 10:04 PM
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I own an MSA 1976 Classic D10.
I love it. I know it loves me.
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Gordon Borland
MSA D10,NASHVILLE 400,SESSIONS 2000,PEAVEY ADDVERB,SOME WIRES AND A BATTERY.
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Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 08 July 2004 11:25 PM
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The thing is that just as a hollow body jazz guitar sounds different than a telecaster, MSAs have an inherently different tone than an Emmons. The secret to getting them so sound good is to accentuate their natural tone, rather than try to get them to be something they're not. |
JOZEF SMITH
Member From: WESTMINSTER - CA - USA
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posted 09 July 2004 12:21 AM
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I have a MSA D10 8P/2K - brown mica and a MSA D10 9P/4K Classic XL - blue with SS pickups. They are both in excellent condition. |
Alan Pagliere
Member From: Ann Arbor, MI, USA
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posted 09 July 2004 06:52 AM
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Check out:
http://www.cadillaccowboys.com/RolledSteel.html
to read about an incident which proved to me the solidness and reliability of the old MSA ... when ... I hate to admit it ... my steel actually ... rolled off a stage ... and crashed to the ground. It stayed in tune.That was my first steel, which I bought used in 1975. Since then I have bought two more MSAs: a U-12 MSA from around 1980 (same burgundy color as the one in the photo above) and a sleek Millennium U-12. In any case, a distressing, yet funny story. |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 17 July 2004 06:46 PM
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My current MSA is a 1974 Classic 3 + 4. It was a rosewood color formica. I have removed that and it now is a sparkling green. I will post pictures when I get it finished. |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 24 July 2004 03:04 AM
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I want to put a new pickupon my MSA Clasic. Any recommendations ?? |
Tommy Roten
Member From: Vanvikan, Norway
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posted 24 July 2004 08:34 AM
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I have a white MSA d-10, 9+5, but I don't know it's age. It has serial nr. 2C3260. Does anybody know anything about this steel. Picture you can see at www.tommy-steel.com/mygear |
Reece Anderson
Member From: Keller Texas USA
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posted 24 July 2004 10:42 AM
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Tommy R....Serial number 2C3260 shows to be a white double 10 which left the factory with 8 pedals and 2 knee levers. It's original destination was Chicago where our distributor was then located. Your guitar will have it's 30th birthday next month on the 30th of August. Official entry was 8-30-74. |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 12 August 2004 06:59 PM
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Probably close to 10,000 of 'em! |
Tom Gorr
Member From: Three Hills, Alberta
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posted 12 August 2004 11:58 PM
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I have 2. An S12 7x5 Vintage XL, and a Classic S10 3x4. |
Dave Mudgett
Member From: Central Pennsylvania, USA
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posted 13 August 2004 09:39 PM
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Apparently, lots. Mine is a D-10 Classic 8+4 in black, supersustain pickups, serial# 2C2846, final assembly signature by Bud Carter, in near-mint condition. I'd be interested in any dating information if it's available. Thanks in advance if you can help out.This guitar ain't for the faint-of-back, but it plays and sounds great, and is obviously built to last. Smooooth action, stays in tune, a pleasure to play. I know it's personal taste, and de gustibus non disputandum. But I think these pickups sound good for what I'm doing. I've thought about putting Truetones on this guitar, I hear many rave reviews. So I may try 'em, but I sure like the lack of hum on the SSs. I think of these MSAs analogously to Les Paul guitars, which also aren't light and don't cluck like a Tele. Don't get me wrong, I love Teles, but I think Les and Gibson just mighta had something there also, perhaps?? ------------------
MSA Classic D-10 8+4, Sierra S-10 3+4;
Peavey LTD 400, Line6 Pod 2.0 + Ampeg BA 112, '64 Fender Deluxe Reverb |
Reece Anderson
Member From: Keller Texas USA
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posted 14 August 2004 06:31 AM
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Hi Dave....Thank you for providing me the opportunity to answer you question. Serial number 2C-2846 is a black double 10 which left the factory with 8 pedals and 2 knee levers. It was originally shipped to our distributor in Chicago. Your guitar had its 30th birthday about 2 months ago. It was born on June 21st 1974. All of us at MSA appreciate your playing one of our guitars, and consider all who own, or have owned an MSA, to be part of our family. |
Larry Jamieson
Member From: Walton, NY USA
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posted 19 August 2004 01:11 PM
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I have a 1977 burgandy red single ten, 3 pedals, 4 knees. It is the "Classic" model in lacquer finish. Nice, easy playing, solid as a rock guitar. It stays set up in my shop for practice, and my Zum does the road work. My first guitar was an MSA semi-classic, 3 and 1. I bought that one new in 1972 and played it for 20 years before moving up to guitar with more knees. Long live MSA! Larry Jamieson, Walton, NY |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 28 September 2004 06:08 PM
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I just got another MSA classic of ebay. It had Tom Bradshaws B&B Shadow decal on it plus a Tom Bradshaw restoration plate inside. I am in the process of stripping of the tidewood formica and will be replacing it with purple sparkle drum wrap. I have had all the aluminum parts professionally polished and have an aluminum neck for it. I will probably put a truetone pickup on it. Iwill post pictures of it when I get it completed. |
Gerald Pierce
Member From: Maydelle, Texas, USA
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posted 28 September 2004 07:58 PM
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I have what was born (in 1970) as an MSA D-10. I have a question about the original changer on this guitar. Was it originally an all-pull system? I know this one had the flat cross bars (which have been replaced with square bars), and the guitar is now set up with a pull/release system. Were all MSA guitars all-pull?Bought a nice S-12 Universal in about '75.... beautiful blue maple...couldn't play it...wish I'd kept it...yada, yada, yada... |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 28 September 2004 08:14 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 08:47 PM.] |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 29 September 2004 02:59 AM
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Jim,I bought it from Daniel Cormier. He is a forum member. djcormier@cox-internet.com. Regards, Brian |
Charles Walker
Member From: Chester, Virginia, USA
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posted 29 September 2004 04:46 PM
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74 MSA CLASSIC D10 8 and 5 and she's my baby and my first I might add |
Chuck Miller
Member From: Newton, Iowa, USA
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posted 11 October 2004 11:07 PM
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MSA Classic D10 8 and 4, serial number 2C5142, (in case Reece drops by). Just arrived today, Looks like it's seen alot of time in the trenchs, but plays well. Just Needs alittle TLC. |
Jim Phelps
Member From: just out of Mexico City
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posted 11 October 2004 11:30 PM
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.[This message was edited by Jim Phelps on 17 November 2004 at 08:47 PM.] |
Reece Anderson
Member From: Keller Texas USA
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posted 12 October 2004 04:13 AM
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Chuck....I was just surfing by, saw where you joined what we consider to be our MSA family by becoming an owner, so thought I would welcome you and provide some information about your guitar.Records indicate your guitar was built "for stock", which means we built it for the music store MSA once had at our manufacturing facitity. Sorry, but I have no way of tracing the name of the person who bought the guitar. I can however tell you the guitar was originally built with 8 pedals and 4 knee levers and it was built in May of 1976. Theres many years of service left in your guitar, just keep er oiled and keep er busy playing....she loves that. |
Andy Zynda
Member From: Wisconsin
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posted 12 October 2004 07:16 AM
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Well, it feel like I've joined a brotherhood. I'm rebuilding/cleaning up/polishing my new (to me) D12 Classic, 8&4, and it sure is built like a tank! Wonderful mechanics! Supersustain pickups.
I cant wait to get home and look at the serial number so I can post it here. I'd love to know it's DOM!
-andy-
(this is my first PSG, what a great instrument!!) |
Chuck Miller
Member From: Newton, Iowa, USA
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posted 12 October 2004 09:11 AM
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Thanks, Reece. I'll do that!
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Walter Stettner
Member From: Vienna, Austria
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posted 12 October 2004 01:25 PM
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I just recently praised the dependability of my old MSA - had it in the band bus for a few days (cool weather outside!), set it up and it still was in tune, just a little fine tuning and play! What a great guitar!Kind Regards, Walter www.lloydgreentribute.com
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Andy Zynda
Member From: Wisconsin
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posted 12 October 2004 05:23 PM
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The serial number on mine is 2C4096.
Cant wait to reassemble her and get back to playing!
-andy-
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Reece Anderson
Member From: Keller Texas USA
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posted 12 October 2004 06:33 PM
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Andy....Your MSA serial number 2C-4096 shows to be a double 12 which left the factory with 8 pedals and 4 knee levers. It was originally shipped to our then distributor in Chicago. It was born on January 20th 1975. |
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