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Topic: Mooney's String & Pedal Tuning for Fender 1000
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GaryHoetker
Member From: Bakersfield, CA, USA
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posted 24 February 2004 10:13 AM
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Was it the tunings prescribed in the Fender 1000 Instruction Manual or his own? I love his hi-pitched sound and pedal mastery. You would think he had to use both feet on the pedals to get that rolling-chord playing style he is famous for. There were no knee levers or volume pedal as I understand for the Fender 1000. |
Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 24 February 2004 12:11 PM
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I would like to know Mooney's Fender 1000 setup also (and the amp he used, too). I'm sure it is not the same setup as the one in the Fender manual, which is pretty much useless. I've heard that he did use both feet to get all those licks. On those old Buck Owens and Wynn Stewart records, you can hear him applying the pedals liberally. What a great sound! |
Fred Glave
Member From: McHenry, Illinois, USA
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posted 25 February 2004 09:03 PM
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I have a Fender 1000 manual. It has several tunings that you can set up. I downloaded it from a link on a thread on this forum.
Mr. Mooney's copedent is published in the May 1980 Steel Guitarist magazine. It's a E9, but unique:G#......G...........A
E..............F#....................F
B........................C#
G#..............................A
F#
E....................................Eb
D
C#
A#
E....................................Eb
pedal....1...2....3....4.....5...KNEE Sorry if things aren't straight looking.
I'm having a hard time getting things to line up.
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Don Walters
Member From: Regina, SK, Canada
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posted 25 February 2004 10:05 PM
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The manual is heree-mail me if you'd like a paper copy. It would be better quality than downloading the jpegs. |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 26 February 2004 05:29 AM
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I believe the old Winnie Winston book has Ralph's old 1000 tuning. I know that he used a straight G tuning on the outside neck and his version of an E9 on the inside neck. He only pulled one string with each pedal and his G# to A raises on strings 1 and 4 were on each side of his 3rd string B to C# raise. He regularly used both feet on his pedals. His knee lever pulled his 2nd string E to F and lowered his 6th string E to Eb or D# for the pickey people.------------------
Livin' in the Past and the Future with a 12 string Mooney Universal tuning.
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C Dixon
Member From: Duluth, GA USA
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posted 26 February 2004 07:41 AM
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Fred,To get things to "line up" on this forum, simply type the following BEFORE you wish to line them up: [ TAB ] Note: leave the spaces out before and after tab. And the following at the END of what you wish to line up: [ /TAB ] Again leave the spaces out before and after /tab. The reason for this is; if you use more than a single space in a post, it will reduce all multiple spaces to a single space. Thus, your charts will end up all disshevled. By inserting those simple terms before and after your chart, EVERY thing will line up as you wish. An example:
A B C LKL LKR RKL RKR F# G#
D# E D/C#
G# A
E F# F Eb
B C# C#
G# A F#
F#
E F Eb
D C#
B C#
carl [This message was edited by C Dixon on 26 February 2004 at 07:44 AM.] [This message was edited by C Dixon on 26 February 2004 at 07:51 AM.] |
Fred Glave
Member From: McHenry, Illinois, USA
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posted 26 February 2004 06:36 PM
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Thanks Carl, I knew I flunked typing in High School for some reason.  |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 26 February 2004 08:52 PM
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Here's Mooney's copedent from Winnie Winston's book (1975): 1 2 3 4 5 <--
G# +A -G
E +F# +F
B +C#
G# +A
F#
E -Eb
D
C#
Bb
E Steel Guitarist Magazine #5 (May 1980) included a 10th string E to Eb on the knee lever, and the string gauges:
1 2 3 4 5 <--
.012 G# +A -G
.014 E +F# +F
.017 B +C#
.020 G# +A
.036 F#
.040 E -Eb
.050 D
.054 C#
.060 A#
.064 E -Eb
At the time of the Steel Guitarist interview, he was playing a Sho-Bud.
The gauges on those low strings look really wild to me. I've never heard him play on the low strings, and it makes me wonder if he just tuned them that way to baffle those of us who tend to over-analyze things.  ------------------
 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
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Tim Whitlock
Member From: Arvada, CO, USA
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posted 27 February 2004 06:15 AM
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I think Gary's original request was for Moon's 8 string, 8 pedal Fender 1000 setup. Posts so far are for 10 string. My guess it would be the same as the 1975 tuning, shown in bOb's post, minus the two bottom strings, and with the knee change on the 6th pedal. [Edit: Although it's possible that he tuned the whole thing down to D9, as did many 1000 players, to avoid string breakage.] Still leaves the second neck unaccounted for. Anyone here ever talk to Moon?[This message was edited by Tim Whitlock on 27 February 2004 at 06:19 AM.] |
Brian Herder
Member From: Philadelphia, Pa. USA
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posted 08 March 2004 12:05 PM
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Bump. Somebody out there must know. |
Herb Steiner
Member From: Cedar Valley, Travis County TX
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posted 08 March 2004 12:20 PM
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I "discovered" Jimmy Day played a D9 tuning on the "Steel and Strings" album because of an open string "D" note he hit in the key of Bb. Has anyone in forumland ever examined his pre-Sho-Bud solos for open strings to determine what basic tuning Moon had? I never studied him in that depth to bother analyzing it, I'm ashamed to say. But the answer would be there. Most of his stuff with Wynn, Merle, etc. was cut on either his homemade steel or a Fender 1000, which would be the long-scale model as shown on the cover of the Mooney/Burton album, also the guitar he was playing when I first saw him with Waylon at the Troubadour club in LA around 1970 or so. On the other hand, I could just ask him when I see him at the Jamboree this week. DUH!!
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Herb's Steel Guitar Pages
Texas Steel Guitar Association [This message was edited by Herb Steiner on 09 March 2004 at 02:37 PM.]
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Joe Henry
Member From: Ebersberg, Germany
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posted 09 March 2004 02:15 PM
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Every so often Mooney played some stuff in the old days that sounded somewhat odd compared to the Waylon period where he used the 10 string tuning shown above. There is a Wynn Stewart song called "Slightly Used" which has some strange 7th licks that can“t exactly be duplicated on a "straight" tuning. I tried it on both standard E9 and even the original Mooney tuning (10 string like the one above) which I had for a while and could get close, but something seemed to be missing. Same for "Big Big Love" (Wynn Stewart“s, not Waylon“s version.) Also, on the Merle Haggard/Bonnie Owens album (Just Between the Two Of Us) there are some tunes where he sounds totally strange, almost like a non-pedal tuning, but then there seem to be pedal changes anyway... This remains a mystery to me. His most famous original tune, "Moonshine" from the Burton/Mooney album features a low A prominently, that“s about the lowest notes I“ve ever heard him play. So I believe that at least for that tune the two lowest strings on his 8-string Fender were tuned to D and A. The rest would be pretty much like on the 10-string tuning without the knee lever. That“s just my guess for now, don“t know if it“s right but - playable. Talking to the man himself - I don“t know if that would really clear things up. From what I“ve heard, he“s not always too sure about the notes in his tunings...Regards, Joe H. |
Michael Johnstone
Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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posted 09 March 2004 06:42 PM
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I play "Slightly Used" on a U12 but essentially on the E9 part of the tuning if you will. The trick is to play the seventh licks on strings 4 & 5 two frets down from the root position while pumping the A pedal. It's just that Moon can tend to play out of the normal box positions.Plus he has his E to F change on a seperate pedal allowing him to stagger the 2 changes normally tied together on the C pedal on a normal E9 setup.This can also be faked on the standard E9 setup and I've heard a lot of guys come very close that way.You just have to dig for it and play and block it clean. Moon is the greatest and I hear a bit of Mooney in Sneaky Pete's playing -MJ- |
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