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Topic: need help- can't get my C pedal tuned.
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Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 14 March 2004 06:30 PM
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My B to C# is fine. but my E to F# is flat.
I turned the guitar over, and worked the C pedal. I'm wonderin if the pull rod is long enough, because where it goes through the collar at the bellcrank, it's not but about 1/16" of rod stickin through. would too short of pull rod cause it not to raise enough? I've tried turning the hex tuning nut at the changer, but it just won't raise.
what to do? any help would be appreciated. |
Charlie Moore
Member From: Deville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 14 March 2004 06:56 PM
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Terry,i don't know what brand of guitar you have sound's like you need to make the C pedal travel further,let off on the stop in other word's...Charlie........ |
Johnny Harris
Member From: Texas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 05:28 AM
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Terry, Not knowing what kind of guitar you have, and assuming that this pull would previously come to pitch, I would suggest that you back-off all the hex tuners (if you lower and raise this string on knee levers, back them off too) until none of them are contacting the fingers,(this will let the fingers center) then, re-tune the string open and finally, tune the hex tuners.
If, this doesn't help, only then would I consider lengthening the pull.Johnny |
Nicholas Dedring
Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 05:38 AM
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Depending on how flat it is, you might want to see whether the pedal travel is maxed out. I think pretty much all guitars have some sort of gizmo (I have a set of set-screws) that provides a stop for the pedal... if you just give it more room to move, that should give you enough pulling to do the job. The amount of pull rod behind the bellcrank attachment really shouldn't matter.Worst case, you might need to use a different hole on the bellcrank, or a different slot on the changer to give you more pull on yer pull...  But try and increase the pedal travel first (it's easy, and requires less complex stuff... less fixing everything else). |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 10:03 AM
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Sorry guys, I have an emmons all pull. I've checked the pedal travel. what's the best way to get the little c-clamp off the collar?
do they make a special tool for that? if they do, then I want to buy one. I'm all thumbs.
I'll try moving to the next hole at the bell crank, if I can get that little clamp off.  thanks.------------------
TW Sneed
[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 15 March 2004 at 10:05 AM.] [This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 15 March 2004 at 10:14 AM.] |
Lee Baucum
Member From: McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) - The Final Frontier
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posted 15 March 2004 10:25 AM
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Has this guitar always had this problem, or did it just start doing it? Have you replaced the E string lately? Perhaps you have the wrong gauge string installed.If the guitar was functioning properly before, I don't believe you should be making any adjustments until you can pinpoint the cause. ------------------
Lee, from South Texas
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Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 12:40 PM
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Lee, the guitar was like that when I bought it. which was about 3 weeks ago. the only string I've replaced is the 10th. I don't guess the previous owner was using the C pedal. I've tried adjusting the pedal stop, which didn't work. is there any kind of adjustment at the changer? if not, I guess I'll have to move the pull rod to the next hole up at the bellcrank to give it more travel. is there an easy way to get that little c-clamp off the collar? looks like that might be a challenge for somebody that's all thumbs. [This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 15 March 2004 at 12:43 PM.] |
Johnny Harris
Member From: Texas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 04:38 PM
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Terry,
What bellcranks does your guitar have?
My LeGrande has the four hole cranks in it, and F# pull is set up as follows:
In the changer, the rod is in the center hole of three.In the bellcrank, the pivot is in the bottom hole (greatest distance from crossrod.)
If you happen to have the fourteen hole bellcranks, maybe someone will join in here and let you know how their's is set up. |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 05:33 PM
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Johnny, I have the 4 hole also. the rod is in the center hole at the changer, and it's in the next to the top hole at the bell crank.another words, I can go down 2 holes or up 1. or you saying I need to go to the bottom hole? thanks for your help.
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TW Sneed
[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 15 March 2004 at 05:35 PM.]
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Nicholas Dedring
Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 06:12 PM
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Moving to a hole on the bellcrank that's further from the crossrod will increase your travel. So, you're going to want to move further "down". |
Johnny Harris
Member From: Texas, USA
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posted 15 March 2004 08:01 PM
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Terry,
Yes, the pivot in my bellcrank is in the bottom hole,looking at the guitar as it is "RIGHT SIDE UP."
This will be the hole as far as you can get from the cross shaft that the bellcrank and knee lever are mounted on. Hope this helps. |
Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 16 March 2004 05:10 AM
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Make sure the lower finger doesn't come out of its slot when you press the C pedal (return spring set too weak).Hans |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 16 March 2004 07:29 AM
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Ok, I'm gettin my ups and downs wrong. I had my guitar turned over, when I called it the top hole in the bellcrank. I got it straight now.  ------------------
TW Sneed
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Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 16 March 2004 08:48 AM
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Johnny, it worked. I backed off the hex screws at the changer. the ones that raise my E's. then tuned my E string open, then tuned my raises, and it worked. I ain't sure how, cause I ain't mechanically minded, but my C pedal is now in tune. thanks Johnny, and all who replied. this is a great forum! |
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