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Topic: The Jeff Lever
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 18 April 2004 10:17 AM
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Forget the naming of the lever. That's small potatoes.
The "Newman Universal" is a more fitting tribute to this influential man.
Very good! I agree 100% Now if we can just get all of the E9/B6 players to agree.
Would Fran and family get upset if manufacturers that Jeff never endorsed started advertising Newman Universal guitars? How about Newman Universal string sets from multiple manufacturers?------------------
 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
David L. Donald
Member From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand
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posted 18 April 2004 02:41 PM
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Works for me. Winnie An astute observation.
Personally Jeff gets both from me. |
Winnie Winston
Member From: Tawa, Wellington, NZ
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posted 18 April 2004 03:43 PM
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I've re-edited my last rant.
I said:
"I think calling the lever the "Jeff Lever" is a quality enough way of honoring him in the big way he deserves..."
It should have read:
"I think calling the lever the "Jeff Lever" is NOT a quality enough way of honoring him in the big way he deserves..."Until the community starts to think about what the knees and pedals DO on a specific tuning, and stop calling them by letters, we will still be stuck in a "which pedal do I press for that lick" mentality rather than thinking about it musically-- i.e., which note/strings did you move to get that?" Often we can't figure out what folks are doing because they don't have standard tunings. It's hard to tab Lloyd's stuff because he doesn't lower his 4th. Some folks can raise and lower certain combinations because one is on one knee and the other on the other.
We have to start thinking past the "push this/get that" mind set.
Calling any lever by a letter, be it "F" or "J" is taking it to one level of abstraction further away from the essence of it.
When I was working with Jimmy on MUSYM-TAB, we came up with the analogy of control in an auto-- this swich does this, this one does that.
You don't say "turn the knob to the left of the steeing wheel"-- because that might not do what you want. You say, "Learn what the controls do. Now, turn on the headlights"-- and it doesn't matter WHERE the headlight switch is, because you know which one does it.
Until you start thinking function instead of name, you are one level further away from understanding the instrument. JW |
bob drawbaugh
Member From: scottsboro, al. usa
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posted 18 April 2004 04:52 PM
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Winnie, you do need to know what a pedal does,but you still need to call it something. On my guitar when I use the "J" lever I know it lowers the 5th string. In your book did you not use labels. I think you did and that is all Bobby was talking about here. Don't over think thinks so much.  |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 18 April 2004 05:46 PM
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For the record, I support the Musymtab way. If anyone's seen my own tab, you know that I use sharps and flats instead of letter names.
But when I'm talking about steel, it's MUCH easy to say "the A pedal" than to say "the pedal that raises both B strings a whole tone". Like it or not, pedal names are a part of the steel guitar lexicon.
I'm going to start calling the B lower lever the Jeff lever, and abbreviate it to J on my tuning charts. But I'm also going to start referring to E9/B6 as the Newman Universal. ------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax |
Larry Hamilton
Member From: Amarillo, Texas, USA
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posted 19 April 2004 06:30 PM
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What does Bobbe Seymour call the "X" lever?
He has a video out on it that I have been thinking about getting but I believe that it does more than lower the b's. I saw something on it one day but can't find it now. I just remember that it sounded like something I could use. Does anyone know anything about it? BTW, no matter what name you call the B lower, it is a great move that I couldn't play without. I really like it a lot.------------------
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Larry Hamilton
Member From: Amarillo, Texas, USA
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posted 22 April 2004 07:24 PM
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Bobbe Seymour has a video out on what he calls the "X" lever. I saw a thread on it somewhere but can't remember where. I remember thinking, "I can use that". Does anyone know what the difference is? If I can find out there's a good chance I'll order Bobbe's video. Thanks for any help. ------------------
Keep pickin', Larry |
Larry Hamilton
Member From: Amarillo, Texas, USA
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posted 22 April 2004 07:26 PM
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Sorry about the double post. I didn't think the first one went through.------------------
Keep pickin', Larry |
Jim Smith
Member From: Plano, TX, USA
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posted 22 April 2004 07:34 PM
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I think Bobbe calls the lever in his video the "Z" lever. It works on completely different strings. |
Larry Hamilton
Member From: Amarillo, Texas, USA
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posted 24 April 2004 07:07 PM
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Jim, Thanks for replying. Now that I think
about it it is called the "Z" lever. I am still searching for what it does. I just remember that it sounded good for my use.
Thanks again.------------------
Keep pickin', Larry |
Bill Moran
Member From: Marion, Virginia, USA
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posted 14 May 2004 05:38 PM
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I know this is a old thread but I want to say I admire people like Winnie,Bobby, Terry and probably 99.9% of all steel players. I have been playing steel for 25 years and I can't tell you what I am doing.
I can hear the changes and know what knee lever or pedal I need to use but to tell you what I am doing, no. As far as pedal A,B,X,F or whatever. That just makes writing
tab simpler. I think most players would know
what the Jeff lever was without thinking too hard. My 2 cent's worth.
Thanks !!!!!! |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 14 May 2004 07:32 PM
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Larry Hamilton-
Bobbe Seymour's Z lever just puts E9 into E6 basically. Here is the pulls if I remember it.
2nd D# string to C#
9th D string to C#
7th F# String to G#
It opens up more ways to play....al ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ |
Ronald Moore
Member From: Mindoro, Wisconsin, USA
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posted 14 May 2004 08:00 PM
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IMHO, I think the X lever came about with the E9-B6 Universal setup. The standard knee lever on a C6th neck lowered the third string one half tone. When the Universal came about, the third C6th string became the 5th U-12 string. I assume other uses were found for it enough to find it's way to E9th. These are not facts, just my thoughts. Ron |
James Quackenbush
Member From: Pomona, New York, USA
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posted 17 May 2004 03:40 PM
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When I started playing , I alway's loved hearing Swing , and Jazz, but could never play , or understand it on a D-10 ....I bought Jeff's Universal tape, and now I'm not too shabby at playing Swing....Couldn't have done it any other way ....It just came natural to me .... Any way that Jeff's name on either the Universal or the LKV pedal being called the J pedal , it OK in my book !!.. I've never had a tape change the way I play for the better since starting to play pedal steel guitar ...I'm with you b0b !! Just one universal players opinion ......Jim |
John De Maille
Member From: Merrick,N.Y. U.S.A.
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posted 17 May 2004 06:26 PM
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I'm new to this U-12 tuning, and I'm learning to love it more and more. My guitar is set-up with the Newman U-12 tuning, so, from now on the Bb knee lever will be the "J" lever, for the Newman U-12 tuning. |
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