From this, I can see that I have exactly 12x10=120 pedal/lever combinations on my guitar. I can also see the effect of "useless" combinations by removing them from the total.

For example, I never use RKL and LKV together on my E9th. If I remove that row, I only have 110 combinations.

Just an interesting way of looking at things...

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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax

[This message was edited by Bobby Lee on 26 May 2004 at 09:31 PM.]

On closer inspection you may only have 50/45 if the redundancy is already built in... (like the times tables example).

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2004 at 07:44 PM.]

O I C It now..... took a while, I had to lay it out in a spreadsheet to figure out your chart. No redundancy here, there's 120 of them there (including the no pedal/no knee lever combination).

I'm humbled.

Next question... how many different ways are there to pick the strings????

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 26 May 2004 at 07:55 PM.]

Mutiplying the 9 knee combinations by the 6 pedal combinations gives you a total of 54. Remember, this is 54 different tunings applied to the 10 strings!

Now stop and think for a minute about the number of transitions that can be done from one pedal/knee position to another. At first I was thinking of a practice regimen that would cover them all. Not possible!

You see, the total number of transitions is N x (N-1). So there are 3080 movements of one pedal/knee combination to another in the 3+4 E9th, each one of them with its own unique sound. Actually, each of them has a variety of sounds, depending on which strings you pick.

And then you add bar movement into the equation! Bar movement plus string selection plus pedal transitions takes the number of musical possibilities into the stratosphere.

Think about that next time you think you "need" another knee lever!

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[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 27 May 2004 at 07:56 AM.]

Each row is a knee (top section) or pedal (bottom section) combination. The first row is no knee lever (top) no pedal (bottom)

You can only hit one knee lever at a time with your left knee (assume) and only one knee lever with your right knee at a time.

You can hit none, one, or two pedals at a time with your left foot. So you can hit
1. No pedals
2. a pedal only
3. a & b pedal
4 b pedal only
5 b& c pedal
6. c pedal only
7 c & d pedal
8 d pedal only
9 d & e pedal
10 e pedal only

There you have it, 10 pedal combinations (icluding what mathematicians call the "trivial" entry of no pedals...)

Same goes for how many ways you can hit 5 knee levers none, one, or two at a time...

Hope this helps...( a silent thanks to my statistics professor too..)

Oops, wrong, before I get flamed by a real statistics mathematician, the no pedal, no knee lever combination is not the "trivial" combination, it's called the "null" combination.

[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 27 May 2004 at 08:03 AM.]

The numbers are just a running count. The x is simply saying "engaged". There are no strings or tunings represented here. It's simply a count of the number of combinations of pedals and knee levers.

Luckily, rock and blues were never assigned a designated tuning. People play them on both necks with great success.

By the time you reach the complexity of 3 pedals and 4 knee levers, anything is possible.

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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra Session 12 (E9), Williams 400X (Emaj9, D6), Sierra Olympic 12 (C6add9),
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, A6),
Roland Handsonic, Line 6 Variax

[This message was edited by Bobby Lee on 27 May 2004 at 02:55 PM.]

You are not alone,

I don't use both feet on the pedals, But many people do, especially on C6th.