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Topic: Msa Best?
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Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 01:45 PM
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I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT MSA HAS THE BEST STEEL GUITAR ANYWHERE ANYTIME. BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. HOW ABOUT YOU OPINION? |
Eric West
Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 02:09 PM
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I'm kinda partial to Sho~Bud.What do the letters M,S,and A stand for. I've heard several versions. (no emails please)  EJL |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 02:11 PM
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My first steel was an MSA and though I wadn't crazy about the tone,it played real good. I played one the other day that had a great tone, and the pedal action was the best of all the guitars I've played.Eric, I'm perty sure Maurice Anderson had somethin to do with the MSA.
Terry ------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 24 July 2004 at 02:13 PM.]
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Ken Byng
Member From: Southampton, England
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posted 24 July 2004 03:05 PM
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Eric - you naughty boy !!!  |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 24 July 2004 03:06 PM
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I asked Reece Anderson the owner of MSA and he told me that originally it stood for Morell Anderson & Shields. I believe this to be correct. Regards Brian |
Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 04:21 PM
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COULD ANYONE TELL ME THE DIDDERENCE BETWEEN A MSA SEMI CLASSIC AND A MSA CLASSIC. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 05:45 PM
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Hello,i'm SHO-BUD to the bone!!!!
To each his own i guess!!!!
Started 1969 sho-bud professional, had others
always go back!!! GOD BLESS
farris currie |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 24 July 2004 07:14 PM
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Play what you like.I've played an MSA guitar for over 30 years. It's a very good guitar, but you'll never get the majority of players here to agree on anything, let alone what brand is best! I think pedal steel guitars have finally evolved to where there isn't a bad one being made (in this country, at least). Sure, MSA is still a fine guitar in my own mind, but there's plenty fine guitars out there, and everyone has their own ideas about what makes a guitar great, or "best". You see, Robert, I don't worry about what everybody else, or anyone else, plays. To me, how you play is a lot more important than what you play. I'm sure there's more than a few players around here that could "smoke me" using an 8-string Multi-Kord! Yup, I sure don't play like Reece, even though I've got an MSA, and there's a lotta players out there who own an Emmons, and don't sound like Buddy. It's a sobering fact, but one that most of us come to realize...sooner or later. You can't buy "the sound", you have to make it!
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Mike Perlowin
Member From: Los Angeles CA
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posted 24 July 2004 08:30 PM
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The question is not what brand is best, but what COLOR.And the answer is green. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 24 July 2004 08:51 PM
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I thought all this time it had to be Black
to have that sound? ha ha
sho-bud
farris!!!!!! |
Dennis Detweiler
Member From: Solon, Iowa, US
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posted 24 July 2004 09:04 PM
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You can buy an Emmons and all of Buddy's rack equipment and still won't sound like Buddy. But, you can pretend and be inspired.
I own (purchased new) a 1976 MSA U-12, birdseye body and neck. I put a new TT pickup 18000 winding in it. The transformation in tone is night and day (growl, punch and bite). It's a perfect match for the guitar. |
Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 25 July 2004 05:26 AM
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NOW I'M CONFUSED. DID I ASK BEST GUITAR OR BEST PLAYER? THE BAD PART ABOUT MSA IS NO ONE CAN AFFORD THE MORTGAGE ON A NEW ONE. |
Roger Kelly
Member From: Mount Carmel, TN. 37645
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posted 25 July 2004 07:47 AM
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Robert, in my opinion, you're entitled to your opinion on MSA Guitars. |
Glyn Bone
Member From: Halifax.Nova Scotia. Canada
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posted 25 July 2004 07:53 AM
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Farris wrote
[ I`m Sho-Bud to the bone]I guess in that case I am THE Bone to any PSG... Glyndwr |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 25 July 2004 09:07 AM
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I vote to outlaw the word BEST on any post on the Forum. There is no such thing as the BEST, except as an opinion, in which case a phrase such as 'my favorite' is much more apropos.------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps |
Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 25 July 2004 10:47 AM
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YOU ARE RIGHT LARRY FAVORITE IS MUCH MORE FAVORABLE. STILL NO ONE KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEM SEMI CLASSIC AND CLASSIC? I KNOW ITS SEMI. |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 25 July 2004 11:21 AM
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Robert,
I'm not so sure that nobody KNOWS, it's just that the topic has been addressed several times in the past. For example, http://steelguitarforum.com/Forum5/HTML/007998.html It's amazing how much information can be gleaned by using the SEARCH function of the Forum. ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps |
Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 25 July 2004 11:52 AM
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SORRY GUYS I WASN'T TRYING TO START A FUED. I HAD A MSA BACK IN 78 AND GAVE UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY OR WAYS TO GET MUCH INSTRUCTION. I BOUGHT A MSA 3PEDALS WOOD GRAIN MICA AND 1 KNEE. MR. REESE SAID IT CAME FROM THE FACTORY THAT WAY. IT CAME FROM A ESTATE SALE. I'M IN THE PROCESS OF BUYING A CLASSIC SAME MICA WITH 3 OEDALS AND 5 KNEES. I GUESS IA SHOULD HAVE JUST ASKED FOR OPINIONS. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE SEMI AND DO SOME REBUILDING. MY DREAM IS TO HAVE A D10 MSA THAT HAS BEEN TOOK CARE OF. BUT I HAVE BEEN LEARNING FOR 2 MONTHS SO MY OPINION DOESN'T REALLY COUNT. |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 25 July 2004 12:24 PM
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Robert, as I recall, the differences between the Classic and Semi-Classic were only cosmetic. The Classic featured polished end plates, better tuning keys, and binding on the necks and cabinet. The Semi-Classic was just plainer and slightly cheaper model. (I believe the changers were identical on both guitars.) Your opinion counts, too, Robert. The MSA Classic set the standard for "mechanical beauty". It was one if the first guitars that didn't look like it was built in someone's garage. |
Jimmie Martin
Member From: Ohio, USA
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posted 25 July 2004 12:38 PM
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THANKS DONNY I APPRECIATE THAT. I AM GOING TO BUY ONE NEXT (CLASSIC) IT HAS 3 PEDALS AND 5 KNEES. ITS NOT REAL EASY LEARNING WHEN YOU ARE 56 AND 5'-6" TO BOOT. BUT I REALLY ENJOY IT. I HOPE TO FIND SOME CHRISTMAS TABS TO.. |
Sonny Priddy
Member From: Elizabethtown, Kentucky, USA
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posted 25 July 2004 07:44 PM
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I Love My New GFI. SONNY.------------------
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Hal Higgins
Member From: Denham Springs, LA
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posted 25 July 2004 08:10 PM
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Robert.......You might want to look on e-bay under pedal steel guitar because there's an MSA D-10 with 8 & 5 and parts to add a 6th KL. It's red in color and has the SS pickups on it. I've owned 3 MSA classics, and I will say that they are definitely fine guitars......but my "favorite" is listed below in my signature.........HAL------------------
Be Blessed........HAL
'85 Emmons LeGrande D-10,(8 & 6) Hilton Vol. Pedal, BJS Birthstone bar, Rack w/Evans Pre-amp, Lexicon MPX500; (2)1501-4 BW's in custom built cabs by T.A. Gibson, & Sound Tech PL802 Digital Power Amp.
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John Bresler
Member From: Medford, Oregon
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posted 25 July 2004 08:48 PM
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It's been discussed plenty of times before, and there's other threads about the origins of MSA. Maurice Anderson, Danny Shields, and Tom Morrel were the original owners, thus MSA (Morrel, Shields, Anderson)the first letter of each last name. I believe that Maurice bought out Danny and Tom and became the sole proprietor of the company sometime later. |
Rick Lane
Member From: Shawano, Wisconsin, USA
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posted 26 July 2004 08:32 PM
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Hey guys,
I have a 74 MSA D-10 CLASSIC and I love it.
only wish I could put it on a diet. My back
is killing me. lol!
HAVE A GOOD ONE
RICK
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Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 26 July 2004 10:33 PM
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Hey Rick, Maybe it's time to trade it in on a Millennium S-12U.?Roger |
Charles Tilley
Member From: Princeton, Texas USA
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posted 28 July 2004 01:28 PM
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I don't think there is a guitar anywhere that beats a BUD CARTER built guitar.Not trying to start a fight------- just giving credit to a man that knows how to build steel guitars. I have a 1973 MSA D-10 (built by Bud) and a 1994 Carter D-10 (built by Bud) You just can't beat a Carter built guitar. Charles Tilley |
BobbeSeymour
Member From: Hendersonville TN USA
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posted 28 July 2004 02:49 PM
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Carter was a darned good president too! And those "little liver pills" he made were incredible! (if you had a "little liver")
Seriously, Bud is a wonderful guy and as deserving of a "Hall of Fame" induction as anyone. Ever heard this guy play? Incredible!!!!
bobbe
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Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 29 July 2004 05:27 AM
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My first PSG was an MSA Classic, White Mica S-10. (circa early 1980s) The inspection tag had Bud Carter's signature.The mechanics were excellent, but it did not have the sound I was looking for.
It was quite heavy. The plastic case, with the "always falling off handle" was not well made.
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Bill Llewellyn
Member From: San Jose, CA
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posted 29 July 2004 07:40 AM
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I love my MSA U12. But then I've had little opportunity to compare it to anything else. On those few occasions where I've sat down at another steeler's guitar, I'm usually thrown off by the string separation (U12s strings are closer together that S10 or D10), the copedent being different, and even the difference in guitar height. And the tone difference. Frankly, I think that would make finding a "better" guitar for me kinda difficult....it takes time to get over the stumbling block of sheer unfamiliarity to find out if a different guitar would be a better fit. And I don't know how I'd get that kind of time on another PSG.But I do love my MSA. (Did I say that already?) Postscript: Reece just set me right in an email. All MSAs had the same string spacing (narrower than others, it seems). I guess the other guitars I tried out had wider spacing not because they were S10 or D10, but because they were other brands. Oh, yes, and Reece also thanked me for being an MSA owner. ------------------
Bill, steelin' since '99 | Steel page | My music | Steelers' birthdays | Over 50?[This message was edited by Bill Llewellyn on 29 July 2004 at 08:26 AM.] |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 29 July 2004 10:36 AM
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while on the subject of MSAs, I'd like to ask if all MSA guitars have that light or soft, and quick, pedal action like the 70's model I played the other day. or was it just that particular guitar? I was impressed with that old MSA. it also had a completely different tone than the one I owned about 20yrs ago. the tone was a lot brighter than the 70's model I had. different pickup I suppose? anybody have any idea which pickup gives the MSA that bright tone?
Terry------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
[This message was edited by Terry Sneed on 29 July 2004 at 10:38 AM.]
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Bill Ferguson
Member From: Norcross, GA USA
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posted 29 July 2004 01:34 PM
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"To me, how you play is a lot more important than what you play."Donny, my sentiments EXACTLY, but I sometimes get slammed for my forum" signature. Bill ------------------
Stop worrying about what makes a steel work and concentrate on how YOU make it sound" |
Charles Tilley
Member From: Princeton, Texas USA
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posted 31 July 2004 03:34 AM
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Thanks to the courtesy of Robert Martin, I am in the process of getting my second MSA (a S-10 with 3 and 5) from Dale Chambers. Having 2 Carter built guitars already and adding a third makes me a happy camper.Guess you would call me a MSA die-hard fan (well, the older ones anyhow.) Yes Reece, you have already thanked me for being a 1973 D-10 MSA owner but you might want to do it again for the S-10 ------------------
Charles Tilley ,
ETSGA Events Director
Bullard, Texas
1994 Carter D-10,1973 MSA D-10 Classic, RV3, Nashville 400 and Evans SE200
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Willis Vanderberg
Member From: Bradenton, FL, USA
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posted 31 July 2004 07:03 AM
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I play a LeGrande lll. My best friend plays a Mullen .He is always talking about the sound I get using a SE 200 amp and a little bit of delay,( Boss DD/3 ). Now, he uses the same set up but the tone is different. The other day we were jamming at his place and I was on his guitar. While he was out of the room I added a touch of reverb and a bit of treble to his normal settings.He came back and played the guitar and thought it sounded great.So don't get in a rut, where you stay on the same settings regardless of the room or venue.
I have had Five Emmons guitars , two MCI guitars and a couple of ShoBuds.I have played on Zums, Mullen,ZB,and some others.
If the instrument is tunable I can usually find a sweet spot for pickin. Now, if only I could ever learn all I want to know..... |
Joe Naylor
Member From: Avondale, Arizona, USA
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posted 31 July 2004 10:18 AM
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Bill Ferguson - I like "Stop worrying about what makes a steel work and concentrate on how YOU make it sound"I read stuff on here and I know in my heart that some of us can not make any of them sound GREAT - but I try to not worry about all others - just try to learn something from them - good or bad and go on. Just tryin' 2-B steelin' - NTD (in the desert) Joe |
Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 31 July 2004 11:55 AM
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Hey Charles, let me know how you like that S10 you got from Dale Chambers. I woulda loved to have had that guitar.
maybe you can answer my question I asked above sice your an MSA man. what pickups give the MSA that crisp bright tone? and do all your MSA guitars have that soft but quick pedal action?
Terry------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
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Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 31 July 2004 01:50 PM
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Terry-I can get the brightest sharpest sound that would cut through anything. What guitar? My MSA S12 "Universal" wood lacquer sunburst model with 8 pedals and 5 knee levers. I have a Crate amp 12 inch speaker and get it through a Goodrich Photo cell pedal with a tone control on it.....al ------------------
My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/ [This message was edited by Al Marcus on 31 July 2004 at 02:36 PM.]
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Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 31 July 2004 04:32 PM
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Thanks Al. what pick-up do you have on yours? is it just a standard MSA that come on the guitar, or an aftermarket pic-up?
btw- I noticed your sellin your MSA. you gonna try somethin else?
Terry------------------
84 SKH Emmons Legrand D10
session 400'rd Steelin for my Lord.
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