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Topic: Fender 2000
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Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 27 October 2004 02:18 PM
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I was Elderly today getting a Bigsby put on my Tele, and Steve Olson of the repair shop showed me a Fender 2000 double neck they just got in, 9 pedals 0 knees, one neck is A6 the other C6.
It is a battleship, I couldn't lift it with one hand! It's all in one piece, lots of cables running underneath. Looks like the pulls are tuned by a small Phillips screw. Anyone own one of these? Any tips? I ain't buying but the pulls will need to be adjusted. thanks a heap,
Drew Howard ------------------
Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)
[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 27 October 2004 at 02:26 PM.]
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 27 October 2004 04:31 PM
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What can I say? Heavy, yes, but very stable. A snap to change setups on (I often changed pedals around between sets). No cabinet drop, and easily repaired. Most all the parts were sheet metal on the earlier models, and then they went to roller nuts, and a cam-type changer and cast aluminum pedals. The finish was always a problem because it chipped pretty easily, and the two-pull per pedal limitation bothered some players. Timing pulls was also troublesome because there was no where to change leverages in the pulling train.Despite it's faults, it was still a marvel of engineering, and had Fender done some refining of their design, I have no doubt they'd still be making them today. Fender was always slow to make changes in their products, but when I got mine, I was still as happy as a mosquito at a nudist camp!  [This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 27 October 2004 at 04:33 PM.] |
Jack Anderson
Member From: Scarborough, ME
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posted 27 October 2004 06:08 PM
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And they still sound GREAT! Try it. |
Howard Tate
Member From: Leesville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 27 October 2004 06:47 PM
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That sounds like the setup Frankie Hardcastle uses. He is an absolute master, so I don't know how much credit for the great sound goes to the guitar, I only know I want to hear it again. |
Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 27 October 2004 07:14 PM
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Thanks, guys. This one has mutes on it that swing down onto the strings. Very intersting. I'll have tto go back and play the thing through an amp.How easy would it be to change one neck to E9? Drew ------------------
Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)
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Carlos Polidura
Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA
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posted 27 October 2004 09:23 PM
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hi drew,
that was the very first guitar i bought back in 1969 when i first learned about pedal steel guitars. actually, i did not know what i was getting into. but with great effort i got through.
changing the copedant was easey for me.
heavy? yes. imagine two cases. no place to store the volume pedal, bar and cables. quite inconvinient.
but that did not bother me. i had a great instrument that had a distictive sound and everybody loved it.
i loved it. i wish i still had it.
best wishes,
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Jack Anderson
Member From: Scarborough, ME
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posted 28 October 2004 04:54 AM
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As Donny said, it's very easy to change these to any tuning or copedant. You can have up to 2 raises and 2 lowers on any string, just by unhooking the cables and hooking them where you want them, and tuning the changes with the screws in the end. They are great for trying out different things, before you get into the hassle of re-rodding etc. on a more "modern" guitar. |
Drew Howard
Member From: Mason, MI, U.S.A.
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posted 28 October 2004 07:16 AM
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The serial number on this beast is #00142, any idea what year it was built? What it may be worth?thanks,
Drew ------------------
Fessenden D-10 8+8 / Magnatone S-8 (E13)
[This message was edited by Drew Howard on 28 October 2004 at 07:18 AM.]
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Fred Glave
Member From: McHenry, Illinois, USA
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posted 28 October 2004 07:11 PM
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I bought one last November on Ebay. It's my first semi-modern pedal steel, my first being a Harlin Bros. Multi-Kord 6 string. I started playing last summer. Like the knuckle head that I am, I began researching the Fender after I bought it. I've always trusted Fender, especially the old pre-CBS stuff, so I figured I couldn't go wrong. I love it. Mine is in really nice shape, and as Donny and Jack said it is very versitile. You can change the copedents very quickly by just slipping the cable hooks on to different changers and..presto! The phillip screw tuners make this even more of a breeze. Being a beginner, I think I have an advantage being able to experiment with these features. Someone once said that the way to find out the year of 60's era Fender PSGs is to remove the tuning peg plates and look underneath. I looked and there was nothing. The serial number on mine is 002*3, with a screw covering the number between the 2 and 3. I just call mine a 1965, as a compromise. Mine came with 8 pedals and 2 homemade levers. I made to more knee levers. It was, and still is set up C6 tuning on the back neck and E9 on the front. I thinks it's probably worth anywhere from $450 to $750, depending on it's condition.[This message was edited by Fred Glave on 28 October 2004 at 07:13 PM.] |
Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 29 October 2004 08:48 AM
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Drew, the mutes were rather useless, really more of a bother than anything else. If we played this instrument by strumming chords (like a tenor banjo), they might be more useful. For most players, they're rather unnecessary, since muting is better controlled and more easily done with the right hand. |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 29 October 2004 03:12 PM
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If you want to hear the mutes in use as they were intended, check this .. http://www.waikiki-islanders.com/assets/multimedia/1-25clip.mp3
Basil------------------
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Steel players do it without fretting
 
http://www.waikiki-islanders.com [This message was edited by basilh on 29 October 2004 at 03:12 PM.]
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 30 October 2004 11:37 AM
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Nice playing, Baz!Yes, that's a good example. It's also a good example of what could be done just as easily with the right hand, or even the with the left hand. (I've seen several steelers use their left thumb in front of the bar for muted sounds.) The problem with the mechanical mutes is they take a second or two to engage or disengage them. Muted notes done with the hands are faster and smoother, and you can control the sounds better, IMHO. A well-rounded player should be able to do this type of stuff on any guitar, not just one that has a mute "gizmo" on it. |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 30 October 2004 02:31 PM
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Well Donny quote:
A well-rounded player should be able to do this type of stuff on any guitar, not just one that has a mute "gizmo" on it.
If you ever got to see me you'd know that I AM "Well Rounded".. but not in the way you mean...
Thaks for the Kudos.. I've just got lazy and relied on the "Gizmo" rather than develop any other method...you CAN turn the damper on and off with the heel of your hand whilst still picking.. just ask the "Tweed Knight"
Baz |
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