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Topic: Opinions of the Excel Japanese made steel
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Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 16 November 2004 02:41 AM
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I have a beautifull D10 Excel steel that IMHO has to be one of the finest made steels i have had, {and i`v had a few }and i would like to know what others think of this brand, {and the pro`s and cons if any}.It seems they have got hold of a good quality steel and improved on it.
God bless.JG....
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Roy Ayres
Member From: Starke, Florida, USA
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posted 16 November 2004 06:32 AM
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Jimmy,My wife got into my computer awhile back and printed out a spec I had written titled "My Dream Guitar" and had Mitsuo Fugii build an Excel Superb (his top model) for me. Mitsuo delivered it at the 2004 St. Louis convention as a surprise gift for my 75th birthday. I had specified everything: scale length, string spacing, pickup impedance, leg length, etc. -- and I had specified EXCEL SUPERB. My choice of brands was based on a very careful study of Bill Stafford's new 14-string Excel. There are many excellent steels available in today's market, but to me the engineering and workmanship in the Excel are outstanding -- and mine stays in tune even in varying temperatures. I have not owned or played most other brands, but I am completely satisfied with my Excel and have no desire for anything different. |
Carlos Polidura
Member From: Brooklyn, New York, USA
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posted 16 November 2004 08:54 AM
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jimmy...
i've never seen nor played one of these guitars but for what i've learned, these are very good guitars. after doing my own research i've come to the conclusion that this would be my next brand new guitar.roy...
congratulations to you with your new guitar.
carlos |
Roger Shackelton
Member From: Everett, Wa.
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posted 16 November 2004 09:36 AM
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Hi Roy, Just cureous about your string spacing. what dimension did you specify?
Awhile back even Buddy Emmons stated that the current string spacing on a psg is too close. Roger |
Gene Jones
Member From: Oklahoma City, OK USA
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posted 16 November 2004 09:53 AM
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Roy mentioned his EXCELL above, so here is a picture of it that I took at the ISGC 2004. 
www.genejones.com [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 16 November 2004 at 09:59 AM.] |
Al Marcus
Member From: Cedar Springs,MI USA
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posted 16 November 2004 10:42 AM
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Gene-Thanks for the Picture of Roy and his Excel .Roy is looking good there and don't look 75. That excel looks like a "Lean and Mean" Machine.....al  ------------------
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Doug Seymour
Member From: Jamestown NY USA
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posted 16 November 2004 12:06 PM
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Seems I remember the string spacing thread & it seems most brands are the same with the ShoBud being the exception and a bit wider. I would agree with that idea. I also recall the Stringmaster builder, Roy Thomas, mentioning one time he had kept the string spacing the same at the bridge & the nut?! on his keyless design. |
Ron Sodos
Member From: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
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posted 16 November 2004 01:52 PM
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Just a note. The word Jap is an insult to Japanese people. Please refrain from using racially insulting words in this forum. Thanx
Ron Sodos |
Roy Ayres
Member From: Starke, Florida, USA
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posted 16 November 2004 03:22 PM
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To Roger Shackelton:
I specified the same string spacing as that on my Sierra, simply because it was the spacing to which I was accustomed: 3 inches across all 10 strings at the changer and 2 1/2 inches across all 10 strings at the roller nut. This may or may not be the spacing Mitsuo uses as his standard; I specified the spacing to be certain that it would be that to which I was accustomed.I also specified a 25 1/4 inch or 25 1/2 inch scale length, leaving the choice up to Mitsuo. I think it wound up being 25 1/2 inches. ===================================
To Gene Jones:
Thanks for posting the picture -- bur you really should get that camera fixed. It makes me look like an old man.
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Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 17 November 2004 02:45 AM
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Hi guy`s,thanks for your input to my topic,but i have only had one reply to my request of what others think of the Excel steel guitar.This seems to happen in many other topics ,please don`t think im being grumpy,but it would be nice to stick to the original topic somtimes.
Sorry Ron i did not mean any disrespect towards the Japenese people and i am very sorry if i put it the wrong way,but i have gone over my topic and i can`t see the word Jap in any of the replys.
God bless JG.[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 17 November 2004 at 02:50 AM.] [This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 17 November 2004 at 03:01 AM.] Sysop note: I changed the word "Jap" to "Japanese" in the title of the topic. Sorry if I caused any confusion. -b0b- [This message was edited by b0b on 20 November 2004 at 10:32 AM.] |
tom anderson
Member From: leawood, ks., usa
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posted 18 November 2004 08:21 PM
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I also have an Excel keyless Superb U-12 & it is without a doubt the finest made pedal steel I have ever owned. No cabinet drop, stays in tune very well, is easy to tune when it doesn't, & is a very precise machine. The tone is also wonderful. I don't know what kind of pickup it has, whatever came with the guitar. Don't even worry about buying one, just do it. |
Jerry Overstreet
Member From: Louisville Ky
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posted 18 November 2004 08:50 PM
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Scotty's has a nice black D10 Superb with the 25½" scale on his site. Anyone know what the tone is like on this guitar?
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Michael Johnstone
Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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posted 19 November 2004 12:57 AM
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I also play an Excel Superb keyless U-12 w/8+9 and a TrueTone pickup. I can't imagine a better sounding,better playing guitar. If you want the Ferrari of pedal steels - this is it. |
Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 19 November 2004 06:49 AM
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Thanks guys,i couldn`t agree more the Excel i have is a real nice guitar in every dept,if i knew how to send a pic on the forum i would love you to have a look.As i said in a previous post this guitar is not the same as all of the other Excels with tuning keys i have seen,it is the only one i have seen with a headstock that is made from a single casting,what i mean is all the others i have seen have had the two piece keyhead suports the same as the MSA use.
i think it may be a older model,but still has the same underccariage as the later models and plays and sounds superb,and the only way i would part with it would be for a 12 string universal 8x5 as a swap.God bless JG. |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 19 November 2004 07:26 AM
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Here are the pics of Jimmy's Excel: 
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 19 November 2004 08:35 AM
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some one probaly get upset,but wondering does it have that twang sound built in it?
farris |
Klaus Caprani
Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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posted 19 November 2004 08:58 AM
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It sure looks "twangy" enough to me. Very nice indeed!------------------
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Michael Johnstone
Member From: Sylmar,Ca. USA
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posted 19 November 2004 09:13 AM
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It's a twangler. Especially with a single coil pickup. The 25.5" scale also provides tons o' twang. I'll say this - there's nothing generic about it.It's right up there with the toneful few: Buds,Emmons,ZBs Fenders,Klines & maybe a couple others. |
Bill Ford
Member From: Graniteville SC Aiken
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posted 20 November 2004 06:34 AM
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I did get a chance to look at Mr Staffords Excell at Saluda and, the craftsmanship is superb, good tone,all around beautifull instrument.Also might add, Mr Bill was very inthusiastic(sp) about his guitar, and a very gracious person the talk to.(and he plays pretty good too) Bill |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 November 2004 07:01 AM
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no harm intended,but can't we keep anything U.S.A.? built with >50C an hour labor,first thing will put every builder in United States out of bussiness!! farris |
Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 20 November 2004 09:49 AM
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Sorry Farris,i don`t agree with your cheap labour reply,if it`s built well it will sell,i bet a lot of the good people of the USA drive a Japanese car because they are good cars and don`t think how much the labour cost,and it is good IMHO to have competition thats is why things get better for us to buy.Sorry if iv gone off the topic myself now but i don`t think the subject of cheap labour should have been brought up in this topic,and if you think im wrong to say this Farris, after all it`s a steel guitar forum and there was no need to insult the people of Japan in implying they work for cheap labour.Sorry bOb if you think i am wrong in my reply you can delete this i don`t want to offend anyone but it was in IMHO Nothing to do with the PSG.JG. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 20 November 2004 10:08 AM
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Jimmy i don't think i was insulting the Japanese people one bit.we preach buy AMERICAN over here all the time.Didn't say one thing about the guitar not being good.So much of our labor jobs have been sent to other countries.many bussiness in U S A,have closed because can not compete.Ask anyone in this country,yes we buy cloths,cars,ect.I'm not saying another word about this topic,except not knocking no one but we need to wake up. farris |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 20 November 2004 10:48 AM
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People can certainly "buy American" as a matter of principal, but I seriously doubt that any American jobs are being lost by the presence of Excel steel guitars in the marketplace. All pedal steel builders have long waiting lists, and none have more than a handful of employees.
The Fuzzy company has been making high quality Excel pedal steels for over 30 years. Today their instruments are regarded as among the best in the world. The new keyless models have an innovative changer design that is not available anywhere else. They are not a cheap knock-off of some American product. Mitsuo Fujii is a mechanical genius who has advanced the art of steel guitar construction. Let's give credit where credit is due!------------------
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Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 20 November 2004 11:02 AM
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Thanks Bobby,i wish i had put it like that but i`m not to clever with diplomacy and speak before i think somtimes,and Farris i do agree with some of your reply, but as i said before it has nothing to do with my request about the Excel steel so lets talk steel guitar and keep other isues out of the forum that has nothing to do with the PSG please.God bless JG.[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 20 November 2004 at 11:05 AM.] [This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 20 November 2004 at 11:08 AM.] |
Travis Bernhardt
Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 20 November 2004 04:04 PM
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My only experience with the Excel was at the ISGC, where Bill Stafford played one. In his hands, that guitar sounded great. One of the best tones at the show, in my opinion, although I'm sure it has a lot to do with his playing, not just the guitar. I looked at them underneath and I was really impressed. Lots of neat stuff going on, and I really like how Mitsuo is trying to innovate. Another great guitar.-Travis |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 20 November 2004 05:16 PM
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Does anyone remember DECEMBER 7th. 1941? I DO. JENNINGS------------------
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Doug Rolfe
Member From: Indianapolis, IN
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posted 20 November 2004 05:42 PM
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I doubt seriously that Mitsuo had anything to do with Dec. 7th 1941. |
Andrew Buhler
Member From: Maryland, USA
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posted 20 November 2004 05:59 PM
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I agree with Jimmy. I don't like seeing some of these comments on this great forum. My wife is Japanese and she LOVES the steel guitar. I'd like to stop by Mitsuo's shop next time I'm in Tokyo. |
HowardR
Member From: N.Y.C.,N.Y.
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posted 20 November 2004 06:27 PM
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Not that I want to derail this topic, but labor in Japan is not at all cheap. Not by a long shot. Hasn't been for twenty years. Many Japanese companys have factories in Thailand and Malaysia, just as American companies have factories in Mexico.You can find a fair amount of American made steels that are less expensive than the Excel. Quality? All you have to do is take a good look at Mr. Stafford's Excel to see that there is no question about quality. |
Travis Bernhardt
Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 20 November 2004 09:08 PM
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Tom Olson
Member From: Spokane, WA
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posted 20 November 2004 09:55 PM
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quote:
labor in Japan is not at all cheap
Right On!! Especially with the falling Dollar as of late. I believe the value of the Yen vs. the Dollar has risen about 20% in the last year alone. Unfortunately, that makes Japanese products like Excel guitars much more expensive. I say buy all the foreign-made products you want -- as long as you don't also raise any cane about outsourcing. |
Richard Sinkler
Member From: Fremont, California
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posted 21 November 2004 01:51 AM
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If I had the money, I would buy an Excel guitar sight unseen. This is probably the only brand I would do that with. By the way, how many of you know that a good portion of Japanese cars sold in America are manufactured here in the USA? Nissan, Toyota, Honda and most of the rest all have factories here. I know. I build Toyota Corrollas for a living right here in Fremont California. We supply NOrth America except for Canada which has their own factory. And, our labor is not cheap. ------------------
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Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 21 November 2004 03:13 AM
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Jennings,i am not very impressed with your reply,WAR is a very terrible thing,i remember when we were at war with Germany {yes i am that old} and i lost an uncle a brother, my mum and dad and recently my poor wife so i know what it`s like to lose somone you love very much ,and at this moment in time the Boys from my country are fighting and dying along side the brave boys from your great country,so please lets keep to the topic of the steel guitar before we have a war on the forum,or better still Bobby can delete this topic.I am sorry that people cant be more forgiving may the good Lord bring a peacfull end to all the conflict so this wonderfull world can live in peace.
Excel D10
God bless.Jimmy.[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 21 November 2004 at 03:16 AM.] [This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 21 November 2004 at 03:19 AM.] [This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 21 November 2004 at 03:22 AM.] [This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 21 November 2004 at 04:08 AM.]
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Klaus Caprani
Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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posted 21 November 2004 04:03 AM
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Amen!------------------
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Jimmy Gibson
Member From: Cornwall, England
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posted 21 November 2004 05:27 AM
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I`m Gone.JG/[This message was edited by Jimmy Gibson on 21 November 2004 at 07:09 AM.] |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 21 November 2004 11:19 AM
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I hope we do not have to come to your rescue again, I dont think I would go to support an attitude like yours....It may , in fact be a "good" steel, but I am stisfied with my Emmons D 10-10-10 PP. I have said enough..So long............jennings.......THE BEAUTIFULL ANGELIC SOUND OF STEEL....... ------------------
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 21 November 2004 12:31 PM
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this topic not even funny to this old boy!yes Jimmy i'm glad you said you are gone,Jennings,right on the money man.to stay out of trouble i'm keeping my mouth shut. i can't help but think of NASTA,pick up any thing in veg.in the store,see where its from.free trade,yea,pretty soon have steels at walmarts for 695.00. i rest my case farris |
Tom Olson
Member From: Spokane, WA
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posted 21 November 2004 01:39 PM
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As long as Farris is keeping his mouth shut, I'll keep mine shut too. As for Pearl Harbor, it doesn't bother me to be reminded of it -- especially while there are Japanese people who actually don't understand why we dropped the big one on them. [This message was edited by Tom Olson on 21 November 2004 at 01:39 PM.] |
Travis Bernhardt
Member From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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posted 21 November 2004 03:50 PM
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b0b
Sysop From: Cloverdale, California, USA
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posted 21 November 2004 04:00 PM
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I'm closing this topic, but not before I have my say:
The Steel Guitar Forum is not a place for political commentary. People come here to learn about steel guitar. When the topic drifts into divisive topics, we lose readers.
My job is to keep readership high, to help promote the steel guitar. Complaining about the world economy or war or the current administration in Timbucktu does nothing to encourage the use of the steel guitar.
This topic drift could have been avoided, if people had thought about the impact of their words before they pressed the "Submit Reply" button.  ------------------
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