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Topic: Twinning is fun!
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Chuck Cusimano
Member From: Weatherford, Texas, USA
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posted 22 November 2004 08:07 AM
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I have played professionaly for over thirty years, and have worked with a lot of Great Steel players. I won't go into naming them all, for fear of leaving someone out. The times I remember the best were when we had time to rehearse and work up twin parts or even three parts for Kickoff's, turn arounds, endings, Riffs, and even fill licks. The best method I ever found for Twinning, is when both (or all) play single notes. It is much cleaner, and stands out better. One band I worked in was in Reno Nv. The Steel, the Fiddle and the Guitar, would work together one note each, and we could really make a statement. When anyone of the three covers more than one part,it starts getting cluttered, and confusing. The way we used to do it was, Whichever Instrument had the "Ride" or "Solo" when going into the "Head" of the riff, or Entro line, that instrument would stay with the Melody line and the other two would take the third, and the fifth to complete the full part. These parts would be pre arranged, or in the case of improvizing three parts, the other instruments would usually have the part down that they would normaly play. (When I talk about the third, and the fifth, in some circles they are known as the second part, and third part.) This is in my opinion, and not nessessarly right. |
Jim McGinnis
Member From: Bartlesville, OK USA
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posted 22 November 2004 12:44 PM
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Chuck, in my opinion three part harmony arrangements is what makes a band stand out. My band also did the three note arrangements. Most of the time I played the melody on the steel and the guitar and fiddle would wrap me. We did this because they had the greater talent and could do it easier. I also found that, depending on the sone, the C6th neck sometimes was easier for the harmony parts. Just seemed to lay better. |
Joey Ace
Sysop From: Southern Ontario, Canada
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posted 22 November 2004 02:47 PM
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Truely the mark of a good band. But
Wrong section, moving to Pedal Steel...
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baxter vaughan
Member From: plainview, tx. 79072
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posted 22 November 2004 04:38 PM
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Chuck, around 1976, when i was just starting out, I would go to Ron Odoms Honky Tonk in Lubbock, Tx to listen to your band. You on guitar and the steel player Rodney....I can't remember or spell his last name did alot of twin work. Thanks to you, I got an early taste of what teamwork is on the bandstand. Old buddy, you were an inspiration than and now! |
Fred Shannon
Member From: Rocking "S" Ranch, Comancheria, Texas
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posted 22 November 2004 04:45 PM
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Any of you cats in the Lubbock area ever work with the Jimmy and Dorothy Blakely band in the Palm Room I believe. The old man played steel and Dorothy played keyboard. I worked with them on lead guitar in 1953-4 in Scotty's Club in Roswell New Mexico. Jimmy was the smoothest steel player I ever played "parts" with. One heck of a band. I believe the fiddle man was a guy named 'Red' Pope. Long time ago though.
fred
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Bill Ford
Member From: Graniteville SC Aiken
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posted 22 November 2004 05:45 PM
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Aaaaah twinnin, nectar of the gods.Ain't nothin like it when done right.BF |
Jim Park
Member From: CARSON CITY, NV US
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posted 22 November 2004 08:54 PM
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Hi Chuck...would that band have been Willow Springs?? with Duane Brown on Steel and Cheryl Cotten on Fiddle? and Dave S on Drums..... Duane taught me to play steel years ago he talked alot about that band |
Roger Edgington
Member From: San Antonio, Texas USA
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posted 23 November 2004 07:05 AM
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Hi Chuck. Our band thrives on parts between steel,fiddle,and guitar. Check out our new CD "Traditionally Yours". It's loaded with parts on about half of the songs.
www.billymata.com |
Chuck Cusimano
Member From: Weatherford, Texas, USA
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posted 24 November 2004 05:41 PM
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Howdy all! I'll try to answer all of these in one post.
#1 Baxter.. Thank you for the nice compliment! I'll add that I always enjoyed working with you as well! Rodney's last name is Giroir (pronounced jor-wah) He is a genuine Coonass from Morgan City,La.
#2 Fred.. I remember Jimmy and Dorothy. They had a nice place on the Idalou Hwy. and Jim "Red" Pope was the Fiddle, and Guitar player. They had three older kids, AND A small boy,and I worked in a band with two of them (Jimmy Jr. (Drums)and Debbie (Keyboards)(They had another brother (Ronnie) that was a heck of a musician as well, but he was in another band (Rock))The band's name was "The music painters". That was where I started learning to TWIN with the Steel Player, BILLY POTEET. (He was a Great help to me.) That was in 1973/74
#3 Jim Park.. Yes! Duane, and I roomed together on the road, and since we both came from ranching backgrounds, we got up quite a bit earlier than the rest of the band, and we spent a lot of time working up some pretty neat stuff. Did he tell you about the parts he and I came up with for "Good Hearted Woman"? The first time Stan Lark sang it and we played our twin fills, Stan just stood there with his mouth wide open, and he couldn't even sing. It was FUNNY! Duane would show me a wierd lick, and I would have him help me get a harmony part to it, and I'd work it into an arangement to some song or another. Those were some of the best days of my life!
#4 Roger .. As soon as I can figure out how to get some sound out of this contraption, I'll sure listen to the c.d. Heck just email me and tell me how to order one, and I'll be glad to buy one! Please tell Billy Mata I said Howdy. Thanks to all the replys, and a VERY HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL![This message was edited by Chuck Cusimano on 24 November 2004 at 05:47 PM.] |
Grant Johnson
Member From: Nashville TN
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posted 24 November 2004 06:49 PM
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Dale Watson does a nice job with these sort of runs with Don Pawlack, his steel player.
I love the harmony runs! |
Ray Montee
Member From: Portland, OR, USA
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posted 25 November 2004 09:24 AM
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Years ago, our band did a lot of fiddle, lead and steel parts. Great impact! Great sound. I've found today that so many of the lead guys, even theo' they'er really nice, simply can't even figure out how to play a melody line and for them a harmony line is even tougher.
We also used to do a lot off steel, two string and lead one sring.......sounded very good. | |
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