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Topic: pedal noise,driving me wild!!
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 27 January 2005 08:46 PM
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what is the quietest steel linkage??and sugestions on how to elimanate some.sho-bud clanks over my amps,got to try to calm it some farris |
Bob Blair
Member From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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posted 27 January 2005 08:49 PM
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The newer Sierras that I played were awfully quiet. When I was playing an LDG some "slider foam" made it a little quieter. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 27 January 2005 09:03 PM
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Thanks BOB,hadn't paid much attention,until tonight,sitting here playing my pro3,and i said man at the noise.i know i stomp pretty hard,but got to put a silencer on it some!!
If i had been taping,it would have been loud and clear. farris |
Leila Tuttle
Member From: Wheat Ridge, Colorado, USA
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posted 27 January 2005 09:14 PM
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That's a great question. I thought maybe when I move beyond the Carter-Starter I wouldn't have to deal with pedal noise. But the other day I heard 3 pro-players on some great pro-steels and I couldn't believe the clank-clank-clank. That surprised me, I'd think exta-curricular noise problems would be something the Steel makers would have solved by now. I can see how the noise might be covered up by a band, but there was nothing to cover it up when these guys were soloing.Leila |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 27 January 2005 09:21 PM
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If the pickup is becoming microphonic, it will pick up any vibration on the guitar -- not just the strings. If the pickup is old this may be the cause of the noise. 'Potting' the pickup is one solution -- sealing the pickup in wax (I believe I've seen some folks use an acrylic resin as well) can cure this problem. Guitar shops often offer this service, usually to six string players. Replacing the pickup is another possible solution. Mechanically isolating a microphonic or noisy pickup will only decrease or muffle the noise but may help in some cases. Foam rubber is sometimes used. Not all pedal steels transmit pedal noise through the pickups. Neither my 35 year old Emmons nor my new Fessy make any audible noise through the amp AT ALL. All pedal steels I've played make some mechanical noise, but it is not acceptable for those noises to be amplified. Sometimes, e.g., if someone is playing at VERY LOW AMP VOLUME, the noise of the pedal rods or pull train under the guitar may become audible but should not pass through to the amp. ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps
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Eric West
Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 27 January 2005 10:10 PM
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Ditto on what Mr Bell said.I happen to like them slightly microphonic, but it does raise hell with recording. Try talking into them loudly with the pedal pegged, and it's evident why it's called that. EJL |
Al Terhune
Member From: Newcastle, WA
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posted 27 January 2005 10:19 PM
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If you're playing live, no fear. If you're (I'm) recording, I simply make sure my amp is a ways from my guitar so the mic doesn't pick up the clatter. I remember that too, when I took my first lesson from Butch Cornwell and heard all the racket coming from his steel. I was like, "What the heck?" |
Kevin Hatton
Member From: Amherst, N.Y.
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posted 27 January 2005 10:47 PM
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Thats interesting Eric. I too prefer slightly microphonic single coils. I think that they transmit the vibrations of the guitar better. thats what I hear. Farris, try wrapping some foam around the linkages. I found that it usually eliminates any noise.[This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 27 January 2005 at 10:48 PM.] [This message was edited by Kevin Hatton on 27 January 2005 at 10:49 PM.] |
Ivan Posa
Member From: Hamilton, New Zealand
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posted 28 January 2005 12:57 AM
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Farris, you are playing too quietly. Turn up your amp!!!!!------------------
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David Langdon
Member From: West Bridgford, Nottingham Notts, United Kingdom
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posted 28 January 2005 03:21 AM
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Sounds as though I'm lucky. I've had to do a couple of radio sessions live around the presenters desk. All vocals and instruments totaly acoustic, apart from my little amp. I think they just put a few mics in the air. My steel makes next to no noise, and there are quite a few steels out there that would have blown those jobs. Of course, I built this guitar and noise isolation is designed into it. Dave. |
tbhenry
Member From: Chattanooga /USA
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posted 28 January 2005 03:48 AM
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Farris I used to have a Shobud LDG . It looked so good but the pedal clanking nearly drove me crazy. I tried foam and all sorts. In the end I sold it to Bobbe and switched to an MSA which has silent pedals and so smooth action. |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 05:22 AM
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You Guys are good!yep,i moved into a small back room out of shop,cold out there.in shop just mash the pedal more.but got me to thinking how would it be in a studio!pickups are fine,its just that rattletrap linkage,clunk clunk!!think it's time to do some expermenting!my pro3 stops are steel to steel,thinking of putting some delrin or hard type material in for stop blocks.lots of ideas to try.i'll be playing around see if i can help!!Thanks for all the helps.
farris |
Lee Bartram
Member From: Sparta, Kentucky, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 06:09 AM
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I have a D-10 Carter that is really quiet. I believe thay use something called delrin someway to quiet things down. |
Bob Carlucci
Member From: Candor, New York, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 06:41 AM
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My Carter is a VERY quiet guitar,as were my MSA's... Old unrestored Buds are sweet sounding,but some are a little on the clanky side. I never found ANY of my steels to be objectionably "clanky" even my old Buds.. turn it up!!! bob |
Randy Reeves
Member From: Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 06:49 AM
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my 74 Sho-Bud makes clanking sounds when I A/B. being so new to PSG I thought it was normal. the clanks donot transmit through the p.u.
they just sound like like Forrest Gump in leg braces.
when I turn up I dont hear the clanks as much as my newbie sour notes. |
Jim Dunaway
Member From: Seaford, Virginia, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 07:15 AM
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This was addresed previously on the Forum and someone mentioned self-adhesive felt pads. I found sheets of small felt circles at Lowe's and applied them everywhere metal meets metal or wood and it did wonders for my old Pro1. They must be the very thin ones, too thick and you have to push the pedals very hard.JimmyD |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 07:37 AM
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YEP,i hooked up 2 amps.mash the gas,didn't notice the noise.then here came wife with a broom!!oh no!!i'm afraid if i put all that stuff in the guitar it will change the tone,and i love that old Buds sound!well,gotta be a solution to help and keep me out of trouble tooooooo.
farris |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 28 January 2005 07:53 AM
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Get a Zum Farris  |
Larry Bell
Member From: Englewood, Florida
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posted 28 January 2005 09:01 AM
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Y'know, we often think about some of those clanky noises as being inevitable, but NOT NECESSARILY SO. I was complaining to Mike Cass about how noisy my S-12 push-pull was (NOT through the pickups, just rods a floppin'). He did a setup job on it that worked wonders on its own -- plays like melted butter -- BUT he also set the pulls up so that the springs that go between the bellcrank and the collar were the right length and properly adjusted. 90% of the noise WENT AWAY. Sometimes problems are not as inevitable as we might think and 'insulation materials' are not the only answer. As far as the 'click' when the pedal hits the metal stop, I LOVE THE WAY THAT FEELS and would never want to change it. You can hear it if the amp isn't on, but there's something about that positive stop CLICK that just says 'push-pull' to me.  Give Duane Marrs a call. I'll bet he has some ideas to quiet some of the mechanical noise in a Bud without sacrificing any of that great tone. ------------------
Larry Bell - email: larry@larrybell.org - gigs - Home Page
2003 Fessenden S/D-12 8x8, 1969 Emmons S-12 6x6, 1971 Dobro, Standel and Peavey Amps |
Erv Niehaus
Member From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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posted 28 January 2005 09:27 AM
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All my gooooooood sounding pedal steels have single coil pickups on them and are somewhat "microphonic". I think this is a good thing. We are concerned about resonance. If you have it, flaunt it! 
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 28 January 2005 at 09:28 AM.] |
John Daugherty
Member From: Rolla, Missouri, USA
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posted 29 January 2005 06:39 AM
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Farris, in all fairness to the guitar...... IT CANNOT DRIVE YOU CRAZY. The good Lord already took care of that... hahaha
I have a good (quiet) MSA that you can buy CHEAP. I will make you a special deal just to save your marriage (and your broom).
If your wife comes in with that broom again, just say "I see you found a ride to town"...JD |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 29 January 2005 06:55 AM
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I really enjoy old Sho~Bud pedal clicking for some reason.If I was buying one I would like to have the one that clicks (I wouldn`t call it noise since I like it)Db ------------------
"Promat"
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Donny Hinson
Member From: Balto., Md. U.S.A.
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posted 30 January 2005 04:16 PM
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In my own experience, all steels make noise, and they all transmit some of it through to the pickup. Normally, the signals the strings make cover it up, but it's there, nevertheless. My old MSA Classic is one of the quietest I've ever played. Same for my old Fender 1000. My Emmons p/p and my new MSA are not nearly as quiet. My old Marlen, before I tore it down, sounded like a buckboard full of silverware on a brick road.[This message was edited by Donny Hinson on 30 January 2005 at 04:16 PM.] |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 30 January 2005 07:41 PM
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FERRIS, THERE ARE TWO FIXES FOR YOUR PROBLEM.. 1 FET SOME SPIRIT GUM AND PUT IT ON THE CRANKS AND RODS, SMALL AMOUNT.....OR TRASH AHAT GUITAR AND GET YOUR SELF A PUSH PULL EMMONS,,,THEN YOU WILL BE PLAYING THE BEST......GOOD LUCK.....JENNINGS..... AND I PLAY STEEL FOR THE BEAUTIFULL ANGELIC SOUND OF IT....------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 30 January 2005 11:28 PM
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Jennings,i think you must got plenty of money!! me don't got much.caint ford one of them there push pulls.gotta make old budwiser!!i mean quieter!yep,might try some axle grease on her.they say the squeeking wheel gets the grease.well old bud she be squeeking pretty loud!!Thanks my Friend
farris |
David Deratany
Member From: Cape Cod Massachusetts
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posted 31 January 2005 07:14 AM
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FWIW, my old MSA started driving me crazy with pedal noise coming through the amp. I never remembered having it in the early days, so I concluded it had to be simply that the pickup was old; I installed a George L five (or is it six) way that I had lying around, and the instrument quieted right up. Additionally, I had a sheet of very thin teflon, which I cut into washer-size pieces and put on either side of the pedal where it mounts to the bracket, eliminating some free play, and that helped further. |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 31 January 2005 08:46 AM
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FERRIS , I DO NOT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, I GOT MY EMMONS P/P BEFORE MY WIFE RETIRED. SHE WAS GETTING A LOT OF OVERTIME...I WAS CONFINED TO THE HOUSE WITH A BAD HEART...IN ALL HONESTY, I HAVE NEVER PLAYED A STEEL THAT I LIKE AS MUCH AS MINE....NOW ONE OF OUR TEACHERS, MR. JEFF NEWMAN SAID , THERE IS NO STEEL LIKE YOUR STEEL, SO IT IS USELESS TO TRY TO PLAY SOMEONES ELSES STEEL AND GET THE SAME SOUND YOU GET ON YOURS.... AND THAT MAN WAS VERY CORRECT. I THANK HIM FOR THOSE WORDS OF WISDOM.... BUT I THINK IF YOU EVER OWNED A EMMONS P/P YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN. STAY IN STOUGHNE.JENNINGS AND PLAY STEEL FOR THE BEAUTIFULL ANGELIC SOUND OF IT........------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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Graham
Member From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada
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posted 31 January 2005 06:17 PM
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Farris:
If all else fails, get yourself a Fulawka. Closest thing out there in sounding like a Sho-Bud and whisper quiet action. Just ask Ricky Davis.------------------
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 01 February 2005 06:10 AM
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Thank You Graham, i have looked at them,and they are sooooo pretty tooooo.but seems my SOCIAL SECURITY just don't allow that!!i was wondering how the Canada price would be compared to ours. farris |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 01 February 2005 01:59 PM
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FERRIS, I JUST THOUGHT OF A CURE FOR YOUR NOISE ON THAT OLD " BUD " OF YOURN....IF YOU WILL RUB THE WHOLE THING DOWN WITH POSSUM FAT AND JAPNEESE OIL , THEN OIL MOVING PARTS WITH SKUNK OIL AND TURPENTINE THAT WILL CURE YOUR PROBLEM, I GUARENTEE IS AS JUSTIN WILSON WOULD SAY......HE WAS A BUDDY TO BOTH OF US.... TRY IT YOU WILL LIKE IT........JENNINGS........
WE PLAY STEEL FOR THE BEAUTIFULL SOUND OF IT......------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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Terry Sneed
Member From: El Dorado, Arkansas, USA
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posted 01 February 2005 02:25 PM
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what is the quietest steel linkage??
My 1990 Zum is as quiet as they come. and pedals better than any guitar I've ever played. Terry ------------------
Zum D10 /8x5 / session 500rd/ American Strat Highway 1 model
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 01 February 2005 03:36 PM
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Getting to the bottom of it guys,i been working on it today,things are starting to get quieter!!! i'll keep trying, just don't want to change the sho-bud sound!!i love it. farris |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 05 February 2005 02:42 PM
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ferris , for your noisy steel, the POSSUM FAT AND SKUNK OIL .must have worked.. you have been awfull quiet these last few days......jennings........who plays steel for the beautifull angelic sound of it....------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 05 February 2005 04:26 PM
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Jennings got it all worked out man!!some oil,nylon bushings, and more volume helped everthing to come toghether.now wife is raising hell because i'm to loud.i be fixing to hand her a broom and tell her to ride it. farris |
Wayne Baker
Member From: Vacaville California
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posted 05 February 2005 04:54 PM
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I noticed that proper lubrication actually made my Emmons much less noisy. Also, the old sponge strategically placed can be very beneficial.Thank you, Wayne Baker |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 05 February 2005 06:23 PM
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SEE FELLAS, I TOLD YOU THAT SKUNK OIL AND POSSUM FAT WOULD WORK,, PLEASE PASS IT ON TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION,,,FERRIS,, YOU HAD BETTER BE CAREFULL WITH YOUR WIFES BROOM,,SHE MAY JUST RUN OVER YOU WITH IT AND BACK UP JUST TO MAKE SURE SHE GOT YOU FROM BOTH SIDES.....JENNINGS..... I LOVE POSSUM.....------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, +
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