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Topic: Minor 7th chords
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Craig Villalon
Member From: Charlottesville Va.
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posted 10 March 2005 09:23 AM
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I am learning the C6 neck to be able to play some jazz and would like to know if somebody could tell me how to get this chord on this neck...the guitar player i am playing with has an extensive background in jazz and throwing new progressions and chords at me...can anyone tell me about the flatted fifth, the half diminished and such. I know how to construct the chords, just dont know how on the C6. I am playing on a derby guitar which has the basic emmons setup. Thanks |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 10 March 2005 09:31 AM
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The C6th is an Am7. Think of the A string as the root of the chord. Pedal 6 turns it into an Am7b5. Pedals 5+6 makes the diminished chord.
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Craig Villalon
Member From: Charlottesville Va.
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posted 11 March 2005 08:41 AM
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Bobby,
Thanks very much!! |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 11 March 2005 09:12 AM
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Minor chords at the open neck
(I'll write all the available notes, and you can pick the ones you want in order to suit your voicings/grips) L means lower, R means raise. I use a D for my first string.
Am7 Em7 Ebm Bm Cm7 Gm
1------0--------------------0---
2--0---0------------------------
3--0---0(L)-------0(7--0--------
4--0--------0(R)--0(7--0(R--0(R-
5--0---0----0(5)--0(5--0----0---
6--0---0----0(6)-------0(6------
7--0-------------------0--------
8--0----------------------------
9-------------------------------
10---------------------0--------
Half diminished chords at the open neck:
Am7b5 F#m7b5 Cm7b5 Bm7b5 Ebm7b5
1---------------------0--------0----
2---------------------0(8-----------
3--0-----0------0-----0(L-----------
4--0-----0------0(R---0--------0----
5--0-----0(5----0(5------------0(5--
6--0(6---0------0(6------------0(6--
7--0-----0------0-------------------
8--0--------------------------------
9--------0(5------------------------
10----------------------------------
You also asked about the "flat five" chord...
that's a loaded question, but in my opinion, most "flat five" chords are in actuality #11 chords. There are two types, those which are dominant (contain the flattened seventh) and those which are not dominant (contain the natural seventh).(e.g. Sam Rivers' "Beatrice") I think it's fair to say the dominant variety is more common (Take the A Train, Laura, At night in Tunisia, etc.)7#11 chords at the open neck
F7#11 D7#11
1-------------0---
2-----------------
3--0(L--0(7---0---
4--0----0(7---0(L-
5--0----0-----0(5-
6--0(6--0(6---0---
7--0----0-----0---
8--0----0-----0---
9--0----0-----0---
10------------0(5-
The last voicing uses a half-tone lower on your fourth string, which not everyone has. I hope that's helpful. There are probably more, if I think about it a bit.
-John ------------------
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Rick Schmidt
Member From: Carlsbad, CA. USA
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posted 11 March 2005 10:23 AM
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Thanks John....once again you've taught this old dog something new!  |
John Steele
Member From: Renfrew, Ontario, Canada
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posted 11 March 2005 03:05 PM
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Pfft... yeah, right, Rick That reminds me of that line from "The Sting" when Newman says to Redford
"You could learn alot from me"
to which Redford responds
"I already know how to drink"
-John |
Jeff Lampert
Member From: queens, new york city
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posted 11 March 2005 03:34 PM
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Craig, check out the link below and click on the chord chart. It gives all the chords you're talking about, including extensions such as the #11, 13, etc.------------------
Jeff's Jazz
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Dr. Hugh Jeffreys
Member From: Southaven, MS, USA
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posted 11 March 2005 05:00 PM
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Theflatted 5th is easily constructed. First, assign a pedal (KL) to raise the 6th = A to Bb; then lower the G to F#. The b5 can be used in much the same way as one uses the tri-tone sub. During the Be Bop era, it was fashionable to end a song with a flatted 5th; later the +11 became hot, especially with a 13th on top. The half dim 7th has many beautiful applications. One of the voicings I use is (from top down) F D A B. You can get this on your C6th by playing your C A E as they are, then raise your big F string to F#. This gives an F# half dim 7th (A-6). One of my favorite resolutions is B half dim to Bb-7 to F6/9 A in bass to Ab13 to G-7 to Gbmaj7+4 to Fmaj9. I also like using an augmented 4th because it leaves the 5th intact. Good Luck ----j---- |
Dr. Hugh Jeffreys
Member From: Southaven, MS, USA
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posted 12 March 2005 07:43 AM
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Also - the C7b5 is interchangeable with Gb7b5---the original basis for the tri-tone sub. For eg, in progressing from G to F, the normal resolution would be G--C7--F; using the flatted 5th: G-7 - C7b5 (Gb7b5) - Fmaj9. Also instead of the C7b5 one could use the Neapolitan 6th effect by superimposing an F# triad over a C triad then to Fmaj9. ---j--- |
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