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Topic: 7th String Raise
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Steve Dodson
Member From: Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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posted 12 March 2005 09:24 PM
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Would any of you guys choose raising the 7th string a whole tone over lowering the 6th string a whole tone?
What do you think?[This message was edited by Steve Dodson on 12 March 2005 at 09:39 PM.] |
Charlie Moore
Member From: Deville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 12 March 2005 09:42 PM
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Steve,i would keep both change's,i raise the 7th string 1/2 tone but have had it at a whole tone,i would'nt want to loose either..IMHO....Charlie... |
Bobby Boggs
Member From: Pendleton SC
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posted 12 March 2005 09:44 PM
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I have both.I've had the 7th string whole tone raise with a 1/2 stop since 1990.I used it a lot.However a couple of years ago I added another knee just for the 6th string whole tone lower and split.Well I have the 7th string 1/2 tone lower on with it.My point,since adding the 6th string whole tone lower and split I seldom use the 7th whole raise.I do use the 7th 1/2 raise a good bit.But if I had to choose only one I would go with the 6th string lower...bb |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 12 March 2005 09:44 PM
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Ditto. I've had both changes. I like them both. Of course, they both do basically the same thing. Either one can change a I chord to a V chord. Lots of other uses too.------------------
Gary Shepherd Sierra Session D-10 www.16tracks.com |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 13 March 2005 02:57 AM
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I've raised the 7th string a half tone since the early 70's, when Johnny Cox showed it to me. I also have the 6th string full tone lower with a half tone "split". |
Jon Light
Member From: Brooklyn, NY
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posted 13 March 2005 06:06 AM
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I have always relied on the 6th string lower split with the B pedal to get a pedals down dom7, albeit a rootless voicing. When I got an Emmons p/p which cannot do the split, it had the 7th string half step raise which showed me the hipness of this dom7 voicing w/ root. It's been a long time and I have yet to do anything about this--I play my Carter 100% of the time and it still doesn't have the 7th string raise but it's on my list of things to consider (along with 37 other things). |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 11:23 AM
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I raise the 7th string F# to G# on "pedal zero". I mostly use it for the country effect or for when I need to strum across the strings (with or without the F lever). It sounds real smooth on a pedal. I've been using it for about 7 or 8 years now so I guess it's a keeper.------------------
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Steve Dodson
Member From: Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 11:28 AM
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I have the 6th string whole tone lower with the splits on my guitar now. Also have the B to A# lower which I don't use that much. Thinking of dropping the B to A# and adding the 7th string half tone raise in its place. Anyone have any thoughts as to if which one would be the better one to have?
Thanks[This message was edited by Steve Dodson on 13 March 2005 at 11:33 AM.] |
Eric West
Member From: Portland, Oregon, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 12:31 PM
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One to consider.I've got both F#s to G# on a half stop, (RKL) and have a B to Bb vertical. While going over "sleepwalk" I found that with the AB pedal combo the B-Bb is easier to use then half pedalling the A pedal, and you get the 7th and 1st full tone raise in the minor. ( I know that's not a proper musical way to express it.) Also it's real handy for melody notes in the A/B/Elower combo. Both octaves. My new Marrs also uses the Eb to E ( 2nd string), and the C to B C6neck) as the half stop stop point for the 7th and 1st on the same RKL knee lever. It's a little hard to get tuned in, but it's a great set of changes and the two string second pull works great as a half stop. I've always found that on most guitars the 6th .020 plain is really touchy, and is best for just a half tone B pedal raise. Others' results.. I know that after a quarter century of out of the car trunk gigs on my ex, the old PIII might have made that difference... EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 13 March 2005 at 12:35 PM.] |
Steve Dodson
Member From: Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 01:13 PM
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Thanks for the feedback guys,its helped clear up some things. So while we're at it, what about the 5th string lowered a whole tone B to A. I noticed Randy Beavers is using this. Is this something that you can use alot or just for certain effects?
Steve |
Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 03:32 PM
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quote:
Thinking of dropping the B to A# and adding the 7th string half tone raise in its place. Anyone have any thoughts as to if which one would be the better one to have?
In my opinion the B to A# (Jeff Newman's X lever) is much more useful in the overall scheme off things. With tunable splits it gives you a solid C note so you can think of it as two changes in one. Even without the split it fills in a useful scale tone in the IV position and gives you the II7 chord at the I position.
The 7th string raise to G# gives you a new moving tone to connect the notes that are already there. The X lever gives you a note (or two!) that you didn't even have before at that fret. I find new uses for the X lever change all the time. I can't remember the last time I found a new use for the 7th string raise.------------------
Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra SD-12 (Ext E9), Williams D-12 Crossover, Sierra S-12 (F Diatonic)
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 04:56 PM
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Oops. I just realized you were talking about the 7th string half tone raise.  That's more useful than the whole tone raise but IMHO the X lever still has it beat. |
Charlie Moore
Member From: Deville, Louisiana, USA
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posted 13 March 2005 06:13 PM
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Steve,i lower the 5th the 10th string a 1/2 tone then a whole tone with a half stop,lot of possibility's there as well....
Charlie...... |
Jerry Hayes
Member From: Virginia Beach, Va.
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posted 14 March 2005 04:34 AM
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I (like b0b) use the 7th string whole tone raise (F# to G#) on my zero pedal. The first person I saw using it there was Tom Brumley who also raised his 10th string B to C# along with it. I use this pedal a lot in fast bluegrass type playing, also you can do a nice arrangment of "Last Date" using just that pedal and your E lowers...JH in Va.------------------
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