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Topic: Pad or no pad
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Joe Miraglia
Member From: Panama, New York USA
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posted 17 March 2005 11:29 AM
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Which way would you go,pad or no pad. I may be going from a D10 to a U12.joe |
Jack Stoner
Sysop From: Inverness, Florida
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posted 17 March 2005 11:36 AM
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If I were going to a single neck guitar, I'd want a single neck. I know about the doubleneck body is supposed to add to the overall sound, however if I wanted the extra wood, I'd keep my D-10. |
Glenn Suchan
Member From: Austin, Texas
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posted 17 March 2005 12:17 PM
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Joe, This is just my wacko opinion, but I think if you've never used an arm rest (pad) you won't miss it. I think padless steel cabinets help the player maintain better arm posture. I also think backless pak-a-seats help the player maintain better sitting posture. Keep on pickin'!
Glenn |
George Kimery
Member From: Limestone, TN, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 12:33 PM
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I started ou with a D-10 for many years, then had a U-12 (single body) for about 15 years and now a S-12 with a pad. I sure like the pad a lot, but I was happy with the single too. Much smaller and lighter to carry around. To me, it's what you get used to. And you can switch from one to the other without any problem. Things just feel a little different for a while. |
autry andress
Member From: Plano, Tx.
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posted 17 March 2005 01:08 PM
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Don't forget less cabinet drop on a double
frame. But you may need to "ASK Wayne"[This message was edited by autry andress on 17 March 2005 at 01:11 PM.] |
Bill Ford
Member From: Graniteville SC Aiken
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posted 17 March 2005 01:40 PM
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If I had it to do over, I would go with a 3/4 cabnet which would give more strength than a D cab. and not that much heavier,and a little arm support.Bill |
John Daugherty
Member From: Rolla, Missouri, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 01:43 PM
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How can you play a steel guitar with your forearms on a pad? The weight is another consideration. I play a U12 because of the lighter weight.
I agree with Jack. If I wanted a double body, I would want strings on it. |
Jim Cohen
Member From: Philadelphia, PA
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posted 17 March 2005 01:51 PM
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How can you play a steel guitar with your forearms on a pad?
Perhaps we should inquire of Lloyd Green?  |
Alan Kendall
Member From: North Miami, Florida, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 02:03 PM
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Isn't the rear pad the same aproximate hight as a rear neck if it were there? |
Marco Schouten
Member From: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
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posted 17 March 2005 02:03 PM
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I would buy a guitar with a pad.
I feel that the knee lever placement is more comfortable.------------------
Steelin' Greetings
Marco Schouten
Sho-Bud LLG; Guyatone 6 string lap steel; John Pearse bar; Emmons bar; Evans SE200 amp
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Charley Adair
Member From: Maxwell, Texas, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 02:11 PM
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Ihave a Sho Bud Pro I with a small pad. It's not a full double neck body. I traded a Pro II for this one, and it is certainly lighter. |
Alan Kendall
Member From: North Miami, Florida, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 02:11 PM
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I would think that if your used to playing a double neck,a single neck with a pad would feel more comfortable and familiar,especially if your going to be playing both guitars. |
Ernie Pollock
Member From: Mt Savage, Md USA
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posted 17 March 2005 04:30 PM
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I like the idea that a single neck is a single neck, the extra weight just to lean on between songs, you can't play while your leaning on the pad anyhow. Your single will be easier to move around. I have a steel [12 Universal] now that has a body & 1/4 size, it has about a 3 inch pad on it, guess I should just hush up about that, huh?Ernie  ------------------
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Roger Edgington
Member From: San Antonio, Texas USA
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posted 17 March 2005 05:34 PM
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Seems like a lot of people are hung up on this pad thing. I play a D10 which means when I play the C-6th neck there is no pad in my way. If I ever go to a single 12 there will be no pad. To me the pad is basically there to pretty up a guitar body when the mechanism has been removed, not to lay on. There may be some validity in tone due to the extra mass, and placement of knee levers may be easier but I think that geometry can be worked out on a straight single neck. |
Larry Lorows
Member From: Cortland, NY, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 05:46 PM
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I've always had U12 guitars without the pad. Why would I want to anchor my wrists down? You would have more distance to reach your arms out to reach the strings. I know it doesn't bother double neck players and I guess it's all what you're used to.
Hey Joe, where is Panama? I can't find it in my Atlas. I'm in central NY.
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U12 Williams keyless 400
Evans SE 150, Nashville 112, Line 6 pod xt
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Rich Weiss
Member From: Woodland Hills, CA, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 06:04 PM
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I went from a non-pad to a pad, and I like it better with a pad. For some reason it's easier on my back, I guess cause I can let my forearms rest on it. It takes some getting used to.
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Dan Burnham
Member From: Martin, Tennessee, USA
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posted 17 March 2005 06:25 PM
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Joe,
Try both. You will get opinions and justifications for both. If you have access to both, give them a try and go with what feels comfortable to you. It will not happen overnight and you will probably go back and forth for a while.
When I was deciding I had a friend that had a shobud with a pad and I had a MSA single. We had the same copedent so we switched every 2 months.
Dan |
Dan Dowd
Member From: Paducah,KY
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posted 17 March 2005 06:50 PM
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Joe ,if I were getting an lacquer finish I think I would want the natural wood to show. Also I have a pad on my guitar, (it is about 2"wide)and I dont find the pad does anything as I dont drag my arm on it while playing. Great move going to a single neck. |
Robert Porri
Member From: Windsor, Connecticut, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 07:13 AM
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I've only been playing just over a year, so these are definitely newbie thoughts. When I bought my PSG I opted to go with the Pad. I wondered about the pro and con, but thought it was just a personal preference when it came down to it. Thinking about the tendency of having numbness in my fingers at times, I thought the PSG pad might serve a similar purpose as a computer keyboard pad. I barely touch it with both wrists when I play, but I do think that it helps me keep my wrists in a less cramped position.Bob P. |
Doug Seymour
Member From: Jamestown NY USA
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posted 18 March 2005 08:15 AM
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I want to clear up a question with you guys. I always thought I didn't want to carry the extra neck if it had no strings, but now I have a bit of pain in my left knee if I sit very long at my single neck. Would the pedals be a bit farther away on a single w/a pad.....would that allow my knee to be a bit straighter and perhaps cut down on the pain?? |
Gerald Menke
Member From: Brooklyn, NY, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 08:49 AM
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I have a S-10 with no pad, and I have to say, if I were to do over, I would have gotten a steel with a full size cabinet, and one with a pad at that. The pad doesn't care if you drop your bar on it.I had a Zum SD-10 with a pad and it was more comfortable to play than the S-10, but that may have been more a factor of the weird leg ergonomics that come into play with an S-10, i.e. my knees are at steeper angle with an S-10 which makes playing say, pedal A and the LKR rather tough. My next steel, will probably be an S-12 or S-14 and it will definitely have a pad of some sort. |
Pete Burak
Member From: Portland, OR USA
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posted 18 March 2005 09:17 AM
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I currently have 4 single neck PSG's and none of them have arm-pads. I once had a BMI S12 that was a 1.5 body with a thin pad.
Here's one: http://www.scottysmusic.com/steellist02.htm |
Farris Currie
Member From: Ona, Florida, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 09:41 AM
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after years of guitars,i'm back to a old model pro1,11/2cabinet,the best feel i've had in a long time.no pad,and the knees are so easy to get a full bite on.i own two doubles at this time and have to put extentions on knees to reach them.does take a little getting use to on the close foot pedal posistion. but the playing just can't be beat,and light weight toooo. i was afraid it wouldn't be stable,but solid as a rock!!!my personal opinion,single,no pad
farris |
Joe Miraglia
Member From: Panama, New York USA
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posted 18 March 2005 10:18 AM
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Thanks guys for the great imput. I have always had a hard time chosing anything--it's any wonder I ever got married!
Dan B.--I am playing a double ten. When playing the E9 neck you are using an arm rest and when playing the second neck there isn't an arm rest. So I have been able to compare the two.
The big difference to me is the bar handling not so much picking. When playing the bottom string, the arm rest is an aid to help to not put too much pressure on the string. It seems I have better control when playing the bottom string with the pad.
Larry--Panama is near Jamestown, New York about 70 miles south of Buffalo. I have a son who lives in Syracuse (Mattydale), close to you, isn't it? Joe www.willowcreekband.com [This message was edited by Joe Miraglia on 18 March 2005 at 10:21 AM.] |
Alan Rudd
Member From: Franklin, Tennessee, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 12:47 PM
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I have a Marlen with the Lloyd Green pad and I love it! Everyone I know who has seen it or I've told about it wanted to buy it. I could make some money on it, too, but no dice. I'm having a blast with this baby. |
Larry Strawn
Member From: Golden Valley, Arizona, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 04:45 PM
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Doug S.
I started on a S/10 MSA with no pad, at 6'1" tall I was always uncomfortable, and my knees would start hurting. After going to a D/10 and "stretching" out knees quit hurting!! So when I went back to the single I went for the double body for comfort. However, I did have to add extentions to both right knees. This is just "my" experience with the single 10's.
Larry------------------
Emmons S/D-10, 3/4, Sessions 400 Ltd. Home Grown E/F Rack
"ROCKIN COUNTRY" [This message was edited by Larry Strawn on 18 March 2005 at 04:48 PM.]
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David Friedlander
Member From: New York, New York, USA
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posted 18 March 2005 08:39 PM
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Having played on many teensy bandstands, I I have always felt that a guitar's size is an issue.
That's why I play S/10's.It's true that the double chassis allows better knee lever placement, and less cabinet drop.
Still, I can find a way to get comfortable behind an S/10
My Williams S/10 is very light- and it's quite a short guitar even though it has keys.
I have a keyless Lamar S/10 which is really tiny.
Smaller guitar, smaller case. Easy to carry into the gig, and much easier at the end of the night, when you every pound hurts.
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