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Topic: Framus pedal steel
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Billy Murdoch
Member From: Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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posted 04 June 2005 01:42 AM
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Hi All,
There is a framus pedal steel on E Bay.co.uk
Nice looking machine.
I have never heard of a Framus steel.I know of their six string guitars,built in Germany.
Does anyone have any info on their steels.
I am not interested in buying,just curious.
Best regards
Billy |
J D Sauser
Member From: Traveling, currently in Switzerland, soon to be either back in the States or on the Eastern part of Hispaniola Island
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posted 04 June 2005 02:49 AM
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The first pedal steel I ever saw up close was a Framus D10. I was a teenager and that was in Bern Switzerland where you wouldn't find too much to compare to... so, it looked impressive to me. However, as I seem to undertand now, I must have been lucky not to have had that kind of money back then.
From what you can hear today, they must have have awfull mechanics, difficult to play and to keep in tune.
Interestingly too, I saw an advertisement of a company called ABM out of Germany too in the early 90's who was producing a copy of the Framus... but never saw one ever anywhere... so, it might not have been a success story either.... J-D. |
Peter
Member From: Cape Town, South Africa
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posted 04 June 2005 03:08 AM
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I had a record of a German pedal steel player using a Framus guitar. His sound was awful. |
Rainer Hackstaette
Member From: Bohmte, Germany
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posted 04 June 2005 03:38 AM
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It is my understanding - and I could very well be wrong - that the Framus 2000 (D-10, 8+2) and the Framus 1000 (S-10, 3+2) were marketed under the Framus name, but built by ABM (Mueller & Sohn). http://www.abm-mueller.com/index2.html The Framus/ABM has a changer resembling the Sho-Bud Fingertip. I do not know enough about either changer to say whether they function similar, but - to me - they look similar. The string spacing is quite a bit closer than on an Emmons PP. The pedals loosely resemble the old Fender pedals, they are straight and flat (not contured at all) and the feel is rather stiff and un-ergonomically. I only played a Framus 2000 once, and decided not to buy it. German steeler Frank Baum used to play and promote the Framus. He published a small instruction booklet that was part of the package deal. ABM will still build a pedal steel, should someone want one. They also build lap steels of rather simple quality. Their guitar parts, on the other hand, are of the highest quality. Nothing cheap about them. I, personally, would stay away from the Framus or ABM pedal steel guitars. Rainer
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Remington D-10 8+7, Sierra Crown D-10 gearless 8+8, Sierra Session S-14 gearless 8+5, '77 Emmons D-10 8+4, '70 Emmons D-10 8+4, '69 Emmons S-10 6+5, Fender Artist D-10 8+4, '73 Sho~Bud LDG 3+4, Peavey Session 400 LTD, Peavey Vegas 400, Line 6 Variax 700
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Klaus Caprani
Member From: Copenhagen, Denmark
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posted 04 June 2005 04:04 AM
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I only saw an ABM steel once.It was some kind of student model, and not only the endplates appeared to be made out of the same kind of plastic that they use for speaker-cabinet corners. Even the changer (to my remembrance) appeared to be made out of hard plastic, and I decided definetely to wait bying anything, until I could get my hands on a professional instrument. The thing was in some kind of awful green mica-finish on top of that. The Zum stage-1, not to talk about the Carter-starter appear to be revelations of quality in comparison. ------------------
Klaus Caprani MCI RangeXpander S-10 3x4
www.klauscaprani.com
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Dan Beller-McKenna
Member From: Durham, New Hampshire, USA
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posted 04 June 2005 04:07 AM
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While on E-bay,has anyone else noticed Big Jim Webb's Emmons and Sho-Bud, and a similar pedigree Williams guitar for sale? All impressive looking instruments with equally impressive(dare I say prohibitive?) prices to match. Also a Sho-Bud D-9(!) that belonged to Gene Gore (about whom I know nothing). Dan ------------------
Dan Beller-McKenna
Durham, NH
Dekley s-10, Telecaster, Guild D-35
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Ron Steenwijk
Member From: Greensburg,PA
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posted 04 June 2005 05:55 AM
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Framus is a German steel guitar.They not only build Pedal steel guitars but lapsteels as well.I think they sound great.The only thing that is wrong with these steel guitars is that the strings are to close to each other.
I bid on this one on E-bay to 'cause I like the way how they look.And for me owning such a steel is nostalgic.Ron |
Marty Pollard
Member From: a confidential source
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posted 04 June 2005 06:02 AM
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"...the strings are to close to each other."Ah yes...
Just like the Contessa b@nj0 I started on.
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bob grossman
Member From: Visalia CA USA
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posted 04 June 2005 07:59 AM
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I gave all my guitar brochures to Tom Bradshaw, but there was one for the Framus pedal steel. I think I got it at a NAMM show in LA many years ago. Tom would probably provide a copy if anyone is interested. |
Gary Shepherd
Member From: Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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posted 04 June 2005 10:09 AM
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If you do a search for Framus on ebay, you'll probably come accross several guitars and banjos and maybe a mandolin or 2. A friend of mine had a 5-string Framus banjo at one time and it sounded ok. Not like my Stelling but ok. I think most of their instruments were pretty cheap in quality. I imagine the pedal steel will be similarly made.------------------
Gary Shepherd Sierra Session D-10
Carter D-10 www.16tracks.com |
Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 04 June 2005 11:00 AM
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My first steel was a Framus. I also had the introduction/instruction book - hand-corrected by Frank Baum himself (there were a lot of mistakes in it). The book quoted a Mr. Eldridge, the US designer of the Framus, that he had succeeded in building the world's best pedal steel guitar. Ha! It was more like the world's worst....Hans |
Heiko Aehle
Member From: Bretleben GERMANY
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posted 05 June 2005 07:41 AM
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I had in the past a few students, they all got ABM guitars cheap from others or at Ebay, but no one of that guitars where really good, all had sound and tuning problems. The Carter Starter steel guitars are much better for early beginners and they stay in tune! |
Malcolm McMaster
Member From: Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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posted 05 June 2005 01:00 PM
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Billy , never mind the one on ebay, I have a Framus triple neck Eight string non pedal steel you can have.It has a changer mechanism that lets you have multiple tunings on each neck, it is a similar colour to the stringmaster , on four chrome legs, believe it to be round about 64-66 vintage. Regards Malcolm |
Billy Murdoch
Member From: Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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posted 05 June 2005 01:41 PM
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Malcolm,
Thanks for the offer,I was never interested in the framus only curiuos.
If,on the other hand you have a Zum for saleI will be at your door before you hang up the phone.
Hope you are liking your new Mullen.
See you soon.
Billy |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 06 June 2005 07:31 AM
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I Know malcolm´s guitar.. It´s in VERY good condition..
Basil (Playing In Tenneriffe at the moment) HA Ha..
BTW I will be back for the Brecon Convention, AND, I hear Maurice and Anita are going there !!------------------
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Keith Cordell
Member From: Atlanta
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posted 06 June 2005 08:14 AM
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The Gene Gore guitar is at Guitar Center Atlanta and is a pretty impressive old instrument. Gene has been inducted into the Georgia music Hall of Fame, for what I don't know. The guitar is pretty well played, but I figure a good mechanic could make a good player out of it- very nice!------------------
Rickenbacher T-Logo Bakelite lap steel, Peavey Delta Blues, Proco Rat, Lap Dawg bar |
CrowBear Schmitt
Member From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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posted 06 June 2005 09:30 AM
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a wannabe steeler came over from Toulouse w: an ABM S10
no way Ray
i did'nt find it to be a quality instrument
i'll take the Mav' |
Malcolm McMaster
Member From: Beith Ayrshire Scotland
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posted 06 June 2005 03:11 PM
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Hey Baz, Remember and bring me back a stick of rock, Have a great time over there .Regards Malcolm |
Pat Kelly
Member From: Wentworthville, New South Wales, Australia
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posted 07 June 2005 01:04 AM
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I didn't know they made a Steel but I always heard very good reports about their banjos. I believe that the renowned tenor banjo player, Barney McKenna, of the Irish group The Dubliners played a Framus Tenor Banjo. |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 07 June 2005 01:44 PM
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Yep !!! he was famous for his Framus !! |
Nick Reed
Member From: Springfield, TN
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posted 07 June 2005 07:46 PM
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I've seen Framus 6 string guitars before but this is the first for a Framus Pedal Steel!  [This message was edited by Nick Reed on 07 June 2005 at 07:49 PM.] |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 08 June 2005 02:45 AM
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This is Malcolm´s steel (their Top of the range non-pedal)  More below 
 [This message was edited by basilh on 08 June 2005 at 02:47 AM.] [This message was edited by basilh on 08 June 2005 at 02:55 AM.] |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 08 June 2005 02:53 AM
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The picture Nick Reed posted above is of the pedal steel from the UK auction...Single Raise Single lower !!!
A little pricey I think..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7326887279  Baz (Still in Tenerife) Ha Ha |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 08 June 2005 03:07 AM
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To Hi-Jack the thread for a moment Billy...Our trip to Tenerife has raised over 15,000 (Stirling) for our chosen charity, (Breast Cancer Research), AND our Birmingham Symphony Hall Concert is almost sold out !! Yippee ...
Last year we raised over 125,000 for "Young Carers" and this year is looking even better. The trip was helped by the 100+ members of our fan club who also came to Tenerife, just for the shows and golf classic that Bob runs.(In cojunction with the "Hole in the Wall!")
No wonder my boss Bob Brolley was given the MBE a couple of years ago..
I still find it quite humorous that a Catholic lad from Derry met the Queen of England and was honoured so !! |
basilh
Member From: United Kingdom
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posted 01 June 2006 12:06 PM
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Off to Tenerife again this Friday..
And this year I'll be opening the Symphony Hall concert with an instrumental played on my new Fender PS-210.Yippee again..------------------
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John Billings
Member From: Northfield Center, Ohio, USA
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posted 01 June 2006 01:16 PM
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Look at that guitar! They just stacked up single-neck bodies to increase the height of the middle and outside neck! It took 6 single-neck bodies to make that sucker! What a concept! I love it! |
Jennings Ward
Member From: Edgewater, Florida, USA
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posted 01 June 2006 09:45 PM
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I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT..I LOVE THE UNIQUE
LOOK OF IT... LOOKS [AS US OLD TIMERS WOULD SAY] "SNAZZY""
JENNINGS U PK;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;------------------
EMMONS D10 10-10 profex 2 deltafex ne1000 pv1000, pv 31 bd eq, + |
Jim Gorrie
Member From: Edinburgh, Scotland
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posted 02 June 2006 11:14 AM
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Just chipping in here to ask if this is the most International thread that's ever been on the forum ? ?
If you have a look at the various posters, they come from Scotland, England, Spain, France, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, South Africa, U.S.A. and Australia.
That's TEN countries - OR eleven if you count "a confidential source" (Marty Pollard) !
Is this some kind of a record ?
[Now there are still members out there from Brasil, Ireland, Mexico, Sweden, Finland, Thailand, Japan, Canada . . . . ]
(Sorry if I can't comment on Framus PSG's Billy.) [This message was edited by Jim Gorrie on 02 June 2006 at 11:17 AM.] |
Damir Besic
Member From: La Vergne,TN
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posted 03 June 2006 03:00 PM
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well,I`m from Croatia but in the early 90`s I was in Germany,I did owned a ABM D-10 that I bought for 500 DM (not sure how many $ that was) but that was cheap,only thing I can remember about that guitar is that I sold it,pretty fast actually.They are ok for a student I guess but as soon as a player starts understanding a differents in tone and mechanics he will look for a better guitar.ABM would be in a class with maverick or something like that.I wouldn`t compare any of the Carter guitars with ABM,the cheapest Carter is probably 3 times better than any ABM.IMHODb ------------------
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Johan Jansen
Member From: Europe
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posted 13 June 2006 06:49 AM
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Andre Sommer, one of the steelers from United Steels of Europe did a lot of studio-work and touring with this Framus 2000, me too..
You need a sledge-hammer for pushing-pedals, and you have to tune it three times a song, but it sounds ok
Johan |
Hans Holzherr
Member From: Ostermundigen, Switzerland
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posted 13 June 2006 08:20 AM
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You need a sledge-hammer for pushing-pedals, and you have to tune it three times a song, but it sounds ok
Accurate description.Hans |
Meine Bruinsma
Member From: Gorredijk, The Netherlands
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posted 13 June 2006 03:25 PM
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My first pedal-steel was a Framus 2000, 8 pedals and 2 kneelevers. They build the C6 setup under the E9 neck and the E9 setup under the C6 neck! So I was a little bit confused ha ha ha..I could not play anything. The steel went back to Germany and I got a new one. I played one year on that steel guitar, later I bought a Sho-Bud, I'm still playing on it.
Meine, www.meinebruinsma.nl
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John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 14 June 2006 03:54 AM
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"While on E-bay,"They are practically giving away my MSA 12..... I would gladly take the Framus in part ex.???? |
John Davis
Member From: Cambridge, U.K.
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posted 14 June 2006 03:59 AM
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Sorry, I could not resist! such an international thread and quite a lot from this side of the pond.........there will be a forum donation |
Per Berner
Member From: Skövde, Sweden
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posted 14 June 2006 05:00 AM
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...just adding to the international flavor, unfortunately I have never seen a Framus steel. But that triple neck looks cool! |
Wolfgang Bednarz
Member From: 97848 Rechtenbach/GERMANY
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posted 14 June 2006 05:47 AM
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You don`t need a sledge hammer to push the Pedals and they stay in tune very good when the guitar is right adjusted.
I had many Framus/ABM Steels in my workshop over the years to add kneelevers etc.
The guitars are not very good adjusted when they come out from the factory.The reason is they had the setting card from Frank Baums Steel.They set up any Steel the way Frank has his Steel setup. And Frank like a very hard action. He love to play the Pedals this hard way.
That`s the reason. The ABM can be adjusted that the Pedals going very smoot.
This guitars are not so bad than the most talk about it. ( sorry for my bad spelling)Wolfgang www.wbssteelguitars.com |
Paddy Long
Member From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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posted 14 June 2006 01:31 PM
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I remember a guy out here who was a steel guitar dealer had an old Framus D10 for sale years ago -- (and probably still has it!). It was a bit of a beast to look at it, and the changer and undercarriage was not pretty-- while I didn't have a play on it, it sure was not appealing. There is a picture of Frank Baum from Germany playing one in Winnie Winstons book I believe. |
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