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Topic: Is the Day setup an eastern thing?
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Bobby Lee
Sysop From: Cloverdale, North California, USA
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posted 23 June 2005 12:15 PM
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Looking at b0b's tunings page ( http://www.b0b.com/tunings/stars.html#E9jd )
...I see that Jimmy Day did not lower the E's!
Jimmy lowered his 8th string E to D# on LKL. That lever is very similar to the standard Sho-Bud Maverick lever. It combines the "D" and "E" levers into one. I imagine that Jimmy used the 8th string lower as a "feel stop" for the D note on the second string, but I don't know for sure.
Lloyd Green is another master who doesn't lower his high E string. It can be thought of as an "optional" change if you have a minimalist mindset. It isn't strictly necessary.
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Alan Harrison
Member From: Murfreesboro Tennessee, USA
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posted 24 June 2005 06:25 PM
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I play the Day setup because my first pro model was a ZB Custom which I bought from Larry Petree in Bakersfield about 1972, I don't know if Larry put the Day setup on it or if It came from the factory with that setup. Don't know if I could change now or not, but don't intend to at my age.------------------
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richard burton
Member From: Britain
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posted 25 June 2005 11:59 AM
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This may be hogwash, but I have a theory that Emmons players started out with the Day setup, and Day players started out with the Emmons setup.
My reasoning is that because learning to play pedal steel is so difficult, beginning players are convinced that the grass is greener on the other side, and believe that all they have to do to become proficient is to switch their setup.
They switch their setup, and see no benefit.
There's no point switching back, so they carry on learning with their new setup.
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Richard Gonzales
Member From: FITCHBURG,MA USA
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posted 26 June 2005 10:03 AM
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Not true in my case, the grass is greener and I am staying with the green grass! |
Lyle Clary
Member From: Decatur, Illinois, USA
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posted 26 June 2005 07:36 PM
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I was at one of Scotty's shows in St. Louis in mid 70's and Lloyd Green was there. Some one in the audience asked Lloyd why he did not lower his high E to E flat. He said to his ear the string never returns to true pitch after he lowers it. At the same show a musician who had perfect pitch hearing said Lloyd Green played more in tune than any other steel guitarist that he had ever heard, which made me believe that Lloyd may have perfect pitch too.------------------
1969 ZB Custom D10, BMI S10, 1981 Peavy Musician Mark III, 15 Inch Black Widow, custom enclosure
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Davie Holland
Member From: Scotland, UK
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posted 28 June 2005 12:40 PM
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Umm, havent MSA got it right then? Cause my E`s lower on my RIGHT knee right, and raise on RKL leaving my left foot to pedal as hard/fast as it can go.
My pedals are set up as A B C. from left to right.
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Gene H. Brown
Member From: Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, Canada
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posted 06 July 2005 11:15 PM
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I personally think this is a very interesting thread. I have tuned to the Jimmy Day tuning for over 45 years, I got the tuning from the man himself when he came through Portland, Oregon and I thank him ever so much and miss his playing and wit also. I would just like to say that it's probably a personal preference wheather you play BE or JD setup or wheather you tune JI or ET also. But here's and interesting thing I would like to let everyone know about and maybe some of you already know this if you know my good friend Danny Snead from Arizona.
This man tunes and sets his guitar up the most unorthodox way from any steeler I have ever met.
Danny tunes his guitar to an open A just as you would tune yours with the A/B pedals down and then everything we raise, he lowers and everything we lower , he raises, and man what a picker, Danny has always amazed me how fast and accurate he is and a super guy to boot.
Just a quick story and you might get a little laugh out of this, hope so. I was sitting in the croud one night in the 60's when the Sneed Family was playing on stage at Taylor's Viewpoint club in Portland, Oregon and Danny saw me and ask me to sit in, I never knew ahead of time what tuning he used and I said sure, and of course he and his brothers all knew I didn't have a chance and as soon as I sit down behind the steel and before I had a chance to push some pedals and check it out, Danny's brother Les said "Crazy Arms in the key of "G", kick er off Gene", well let me tell you guys, that was the funniest thing you would ever want to hear or see and Danny was laying on the floor laughing so hard I thought he was going to die. It was a good one and fun too, if you see Danny Sneed, ask him about this and he'll get another laugh, sorry about taking up space guys.
Gene Brown------------------
If You Keep Pickin That Thing, It'll Never Heal!
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David Wren
Member From: Placerville, California, USA
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posted 07 July 2005 07:11 AM
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One picker left off of the list of "Day" players..... Jimmy(:>)<=|I'm a real believer in "do what feels good"... I've changed my copedant several times whenever I find something I like better... one thing I have kept over the years is using my L. vertical lever to lower my E's to D#.... I don't see many other folks doing this, but man it just FEELS so smoothhhh when using with the A&B pedals down (my 2&3 pedals). Great topic. OH, and I have a real good reason for using the Emmons pedal setup.... and that would be Buddy. ------------------
Dave Wren
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